I don't think he's rated since he switched to Barcelona.
Player’s You Don’t Rate As Highly As Others
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I don't think he's rated since he switched to Barcelona.
Zlatan and Ramos
My goodness. I’ve seen it all now......
Holy.
Hazard.
James Maddison.
I just don't get it. The vast majority of his involvements are long shots that are either wildly off-target or comfortably saved. He's not on the same planet as Grealish or Foden or even Mount.
I just don't get it. The vast majority of his involvements are long shots that are either wildly off-target or comfortably saved. He's not on the same planet as Grealish or Foden or even Mount.
highly exaggerated. his pass completion is 79% and averages 0.2 through passes per game. No way he could make 1/10 or 3/10 and have 79% when he averages 60 passes per game total
Well he didn't say Carrick's better than Busquets. You'd also most certainly struggle to find people who thinks he is better than both Busquets and Pirlo.
Not sure what's the hype with him either.
Dele Alli when he had his breakthrough season also comes to mind.
Cantona obviously scored some great goals but... nah I can't do it.
Firmino - never rated him as highly.
Allisson; he's good, but when people say he's undoubtedly the best goalie in the world, I cannot understand how or why that is. He's a decent shot stopper, average at distribution and has quite a few mistakes in him.
Paul Pogba. Yes, he is world class when he wants to be, but he's far too inconsistent to ever be considered one of the best midfielders in the world, as many argue.
Probably many more.
Allisson; he's good, but when people say he's undoubtedly the best goalie in the world, I cannot understand how or why that is. He's a decent shot stopper, average at distribution and has quite a few mistakes in him.
Paul Pogba. Yes, he is world class when he wants to be, but he's far too inconsistent to ever be considered one of the best midfielders in the world, as many argue.
Probably many more.
Aguero
Obviously brilliant, in a Saudi assembled team, not so impressive for Argentina and shouldn’t be near the same sentence as Shearer, Henry, Ruud etc
Obviously brilliant, in a Saudi assembled team, not so impressive for Argentina and shouldn’t be near the same sentence as Shearer, Henry, Ruud etc
Drogba. He was brilliant at his best but he wasn't at his best very often.
Hes as good as Rooney. What has Saudi assembled got to do with it? Messi and Ronaldo played wit better players and Henry in some seasons. He was brilliant in La Liga too. When they signed him was the first time I genuinely got worried by City and he proved why
Don’t have any issue with his anticipation or positioning or his passing.
it’s how he fared when the game was been played at high tempo that I think he always struggled.
Carrick slowing down our play is a complete myth. He normally played one and two touch football, so unless the ball magically stopped once in close proximity to him that would be impossible. He was a Rolls Royce of a midfielder. Not the fastest in short bursts, but decent recovery pace which he showed several times. Simple, but great passing. His defensive positional play was absolutely brilliant, though. I recall an analysis where he completely shut off any passing corridor to Drogba, so without actually being close to him, he absolutely nullified him.
I have a feeling you are referring specifically to the Barcelona games in the CL?
If so then they ran three-lung-Park ragged, along with the rest of our team.
I don't remember Carrick being overrun often in the PL. His positioning and ability to read the game were excellent meaning that he didn't need to be tackling constantly. He was levels above what we see today in the PL.
So I’ve seen Zidane Ronaldinho Keane Gerrard Henry Bergkamp Modric Totti Mbappe... I think being mentioned in this thread is a good thing
Eto’o was great don’t see how you can’t rate him.
Patrick Vieira. As per OP I rate him, just not as highly as some seem to who would have him as equal to or better than Roy Keane. Never really saw that. Still very good, as were Petit and Gilberto Silva alongside him, arguably underrated or overshadowed. Mind you, Petit and Vieira both made one PFA Team of the Year in the 3 seasons they had playing together which is about right for me, Petit was really good for Arsenal and they were about equal in my eyes as a partnership.
Weird thing is they both made that team of the season in our treble season.
Weird thing is they both made that team of the season in our treble season.
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So many of these shouts are stylistic preferences for a preferred profile for different positions on the park. Especially the case for the types of midfielders that do, or don't, get our juices flowing.
I think the same but can’t be fecked arguing it.
Yeah totally agree. Not sure why some still hold this opinion of him.
I would pick a prime Carrick over almost any midfielder available in Europe right now. He would transform our midfield. Most people think of a hard-tackling all action player when they think of a holding midfielder, however a player with Carrick's attributes is able to elevate the position into something much more beneficial to the team overall.
Right now we would kill for a player that can just simply win the ball back and position themselves centrally. Carrick was so much more than that.
Carrick/Xavi alonso type...
there aren’t many around.
Still some way off but Ruben Neves or Rice are probably the most alike in the PL today
I'm doing that a bit with strikers. I rate the ones who scored even when they played bad more than I rate the ones who played well even when they weren't scoring.
Like Drogba, I'm aware the chaos he could create with his strength and pace was a big reason Lampard scored so many goals but he just missed way too many chances for me.
EDIT - Saha is another like that. I was shocked when I first started reading the caf and realised how highly people rated him. I remember him as one of the most frustrating players we've ever had.
Just casually picking Carrick over Kevin De Bruyne, Toni Kroos etc.
Koke.
Yeah exactly, they are pure gold dust. Busquets is another of this type who has been outstanding, although I'm sure I've seen his name in this thread listed as overrated.
Yeah Neves is a budget version and Rice could become better in this role but I'm not his biggest fan.
Agree. I'm putting Saul in there as well.
Both seem like Spanish Henderson's. Decent all rounders but the way they were hyped was unbelievable.
Disagree with nearly all of these, Zidane wasn’t just a big game player he was incredible game in game out, the thing is critiques like this one are interesting because truly what team or players do you watch game in game out apart from your own? And how many games do you forget a player has a bad performance because their team wins, and vice versa? It’s clear that Zidane was one of the best players in Serie A at the time, alongside Veron and Rui Costa the chief playmakers and also that his international exploits elevated him furthermore, but that’s the way it has always been for nearly every player, players are elevated by big moments big games at the big stage, in nearly every sport.
Think Kaka has been underrated if anything he was a force don’t think he should have won the Ballon D’or but he was one of the top 5 players in the world for a couple years, I don’t really see people elevate him to a higher level than that.
Bergkamp was on a similar level to Cantona, what makes you think he is not, his
record at Ajax and Arsenal suggest otherwise.
Gerrard wasnt inconsistent at all, from 21-25 he had a few top class seasons as a CM/DM including one where he won PFA young player of the year, finished 2nd with Liverpool and won all major cups bar the PL.
I can understand how people can argue that Cristiano (peak)/Giggs (longevity)/Shearer (a bit of both) is the best premier league player ever, but surely Henry has done enough so that the mention of him being one wouldn't be "ridiculous"? Which players do you consider being better than him?
I think the initial hype around Koke was justified but he needed to move. Simone has limited his game so much, in my view.
Yeah his negative coaching and tactics no doubt have impeded a few of their promising players.
I always thought he was talented, just didn’t get the insane hype. Would have been interesting to see both Koke and Saul develop elsewhere.
These threads always have some great potential but within 2 pages are completely ruined by insane takes.So I’ve seen Zidane Ronaldinho Keane Gerrard Henry Bergkamp Modric Totti Mbappe... I think being mentioned in this thread is a good thing
Yeah exactly, they are pure gold dust. Busquets is another of this type who has been outstanding, although I'm sure I've seen his name in this thread listed as overrated.
Yeah Neves is a budget version and Rice could become better in this role but I'm not his biggest fan.
Busquets is not even that highly rated for the most part but his role in their success can’t be overstated. People majorly under estimate the difficulty of the position. You have to be a baller but you need a dirty side too. To conduct you need balance, strength, vision, precise dribbling in tight spaces, razor sharp passing and all while knowing a mistake almost certainly leads to a bad chance against you but he could recycle the ball in almost any situation and get them up the pitch. He showed the opposition just enough of the ball to get them to press him and then he’d effortlessly take them out of the game.
Raheem Sterling.
I think he's very average. A clumsy dribbler with an extremely poor touch and generally a terrible finisher.
I think he's very average. A clumsy dribbler with an extremely poor touch and generally a terrible finisher.
Definitely not as good as Rooney. Maybe as a goal scorer but Rooney was a much more complete player.
Vincent Kompany