Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang | Orny says deal to Arsenal dependent on Dortmund getting replacement

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Devil may care said:
This is a strange one, he's been one of the best strikers in Europe over the last few years and Dortmund don't appear to be pricing him as high as Belotti, Lukaku and Morata, yet no one is biting.
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I know you would think clubs would be lining up to sign a player who would spend every week moaning he needs to better himself and join Real or Barca
 
Sphaero said:
Who say that? The standart figure that gets thrown around by the press is 70 Mil. €, but all media outlets near the club evaluate that figure as "a good deal lower than what the Dortmund officials want". A more realistic number would be 80 mil. €. Add to that the pretty pricey wage wishes of Aubameyang and you got one hell of an expensive package. The number of club who could afford that a pretty limited and amongst these clubs Paris was the only one who appeared to be ready to pay that much.
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Well €70M is the fee I saw mentioned while Real want €90M for Morata, Torino want €100M for Belotti and Everton want £100M for Lukaku, all a wedge more than even the €80M and Aubameyang is more proven than all of them, I just find it odd that no team bar PSG has made a move since Dortmund seem open to selling where as the other clubs are all being difficult.
 
lsd said:
I know you would think clubs would be lining up to sign a player who would spend every week moaning he needs to better himself and join Real or Barca
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And there you go, this is what I was wondering towards, perhaps the issue is not money but the attitude of the player, didn't Dortmund have to discipline him more than once over running his mouth about leaving?
 
Devil may care said:
And there you go, this is what I was wondering towards, perhaps the issue is not money but the attitude of the player, didn't Dortmund have to discipline him more than once over running his mouth about leaving?
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Yeah and none our players have ever wanted to join Madrid and made noises about it?
 
Devil may care said:
Bar Ronaldo, no.
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Exactly. Our best player also did the same. Doesnt mean we wouldnt have wanted him to stay if he stayed another couple of years. Maybe he wants to compete for the Champions League or is looking for a fresh start/challenge. Doesnt mean his attitude sucks.
 
City were reportedly interested last summer and psg this year. I think maybe he wanted extortionate wages when city negotiated, so that could be the major issue.
 
RDCR07 said:
Exactly. Our best player also did the same. Doesnt mean we wouldnt have wanted him to stay if he stayed another couple of years. Maybe he wants to compete for the Champions League or is looking for a fresh start/challenge. Doesnt mean his attitude sucks.
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Totally different circumstances, Ronaldo made his comments during the summer as he wanted to push the move through, we came to an agreement for him to stay one more season. Aubameyang was spouting off during the season and basically acting like he was too good for Dortmund and wanted to go to a big club, it got the point that they disciplined him and left him out of the squad, and this wasn't a one off thing, he has been going on about leaving on a regular basis for a while now, disrespecting Dortmund. It's unprofessional and could explain why PSG in the end balked and why clubs like United and Chelsea are willing to pay more for less proven strikers.
 
worldinmotion66 said:
City were reportedly interested last summer and psg this year. I think maybe he wanted extortionate wages when city negotiated, so that could be the major issue.
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It had zero to do with wages. He preferred a Madrid move and they sort of implied they wanted him to this summer. That is why the City move died. But come this summer Mbappe happened....
 
RDCR07 said:
Yeah and none our players have ever wanted to join Madrid and made noises about it?
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So we should buy another one ?.. I'm sick with putting up with players like Ronaldo ,Veronica and Di Maria playing for us but moaning in the press every single day about how much they want to play elsewhere .
 
Devil may care said:
Well €70M is the fee I saw mentioned while Real want €90M for Morata, Torino want €100M for Belotti and Everton want £100M for Lukaku, all a wedge more than even the €80M and Aubameyang is more proven than all of them, I just find it odd that no team bar PSG has made a move since Dortmund seem open to selling where as the other clubs are all being difficult.
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That is his release clause and I don´t believe that a club of the size of Torino would turn down 70 Mil. € for Belotti.

What you also don´t consider is the wages here. Aubameyang wants a massive increase of salary at his new club, which actually shows that he might not be as desperate to leave as many seem to think. If he just wanted a new challenge, he could easily lower his own demands and make himself avaliable for more clubs.

How many clubs can actually afford a striker who wants around 25 Mil. € annually (before taxes) without utterly crushing their wage structure? Not many and the ones who can majorily don´t need him as they already have someone equally as good or better in the striker position.


Devil may care said:
Totally different circumstances, Ronaldo made his comments during the summer as he wanted to push the move through, we came to an agreement for him to stay one more season. Aubameyang was spouting off during the season and basically acting like he was too good for Dortmund and wanted to go to a big club, it got the point that they disciplined him and left him out of the squad, and this wasn't a one off thing, he has been going on about leaving on a regular basis for a while now, disrespecting Dortmund. It's unprofessional and could explain why PSG in the end balked and why clubs like United and Chelsea are willing to pay more for less proven strikers.
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You are mixing things up here. He was suspended for leaving the country in an English week without permission by the club. The one time disciplaning for talking too much about Real Madrid (no idea why you brought Barca in this as that was never a topic) was basically a light slap on the wrist.

There is no doubt that he would be gone by now if Real had shown interest and the Paris deal seemed close until they wisened up (having a striker next to Cavani who costs that much is simply uneccessary burning of money).
 
lsd said:
So we should buy another one ?.. I'm sick with putting up with players like Ronaldo ,Veronica and Di Maria playing for us but moaning in the press every single day about how much they want to play elsewhere .
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Well whether you like or not Madrid are a bigger club and no matter when they come calling, players' head will be turned no matter who they are playing for.
 
Sphaero said:
That is his release clause and I don´t believe that a club of the size of Torino would turn down 70 Mil. € for Belotti.

What you also don´t consider is the wages here. Aubameyang wants a massive increase of salary at his new club, which actually shows that he might not be as desperate to leave as many seem to think. If he just wanted a new challenge, he could easily lower his own demands and make himself avaliable for more clubs.

How many clubs can actually afford a striker who wants around 25 Mil. € annually (before taxes) without utterly crushing their wage structure? Not many and the ones who can majorily don´t need him as they already have someone equally as good or better in the striker position.
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I don't know about that, they've bveen pretty adamant about getting their full whack for Belotti and given the crazy market I think they'd hold out for the time being.

I'm sure he does want huge wages but at what point does he realize that if he doesn't take a bit less he'll have to take substantially less back at Dortmund when a move fails to happen? The other thing is both us and Chelsea could afford his wages but are opting for less proven strikers, now it could be a style thing admittedly, it just seems odd at a time when there is a dearth of good strikers on the market, that such a prolific goal scorer is being overlooked.

You are mixing things up here. He was suspended for leaving the country in an English week without permission by the club. The one time disciplaning for talking too much about Real Madrid (no idea why you brought Barca in this as that was never a topic) was basically a light slap on the wrist.

There is no doubt that he would be gone by now if Real had shown interest and the Paris deal seemed close until they wisened up (having a striker next to Cavani who costs that much is simply uneccessary burning of money).
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I never mentioned Barca but thanks for clearing the other part up, I just remember him in the stands, suited and booted after being suspended and I thought it was in a January and part of him trying to force a move when he went off the reservation, my mistake.

PSG got quite far down the line with the deal though, didn't they? I guess they could have had a flashback to when they bought Ibra and Cavani and decided not to go the shoehorn route again.
 
Devil may care said:
I don't know about that, they've bveen pretty adamant about getting their full whack for Belotti and given the crazy market I think they'd hold out for the time being.

I'm sure he does want huge wages but at what point does he realize that if he doesn't take a bit less he'll have to take substantially less back at Dortmund when a move fails to happen? The other thing is both us and Chelsea could afford his wages but are opting for less proven strikers, now it could be a style thing admittedly, it just seems odd at a time when there is a dearth of good strikers on the market, that such a prolific goal scorer is being overlooked.
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Or maybe he is willing to do just that if nothing comes from it? The Paris deal like I mentioned earlier included a lot of personal factors, but aside of Real Madrid any other potential move appears to be massively influenced by money. As far as I see and heard it, Auba appears to be genuinely happy and content at Dortmund. Despite running his mouth from time to time his mood, motivation and performances were never affected from it.

From Dortmund´s perspective , him asking for that much more money from potential suiters is a positive thing and the reason why I would not worry one bit if he ends up staying (infact I´m hoping for it despite what could be done with all the money his move could bring). For him it would take earning that much more than he does now to leave Dortmund.


Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
It had zero to do with wages. He preferred a Madrid move and they sort of implied they wanted him to this summer. That is why the City move died. But come this summer Mbappe happened....
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No, any move by Aubameyang died the moment Mkhitaryan signed for United. At that point Auba was deemed essential for reaching the top 3 and helping with the squad overhaul. You guys signing Mr. melancholy put an additional 50-60 mil. € on Aubameyangs price tag and not even City is crazy enough to pay a record fee when they have Kun Aguero.
 
Sphaero said:
Or maybe he is willing to do just that if nothing comes from it? The Paris deal like I mentioned earlier included a lot of personal factors, but aside of Real Madrid any other potential move appears to be massively influenced by money. As far as I see and heard it, Auba appears to be genuinely happy and content at Dortmund. Despite running his mouth from time to time his mood, motivation and performances were never affected from it.

From Dortmund´s perspective , him asking for that much more money from potential suiters is a positive thing and the reason why I would not worry one bit if he ends up staying (infact I´m hoping for it despite what could be done with all the money his move could bring). For him it would take earning that much more than he does now to leave Dortmund.




No, any move by Aubameyang died the moment Mkhitaryan signed for United. At that point Auba was deemed essential for reaching the top 3 and helping with the squad overhaul. You guys signing Mr. melancholy put an additional 50-60 mil. € on Aubameyangs price tag and not even City is crazy enough to pay a record fee when they have Kun Aguero.
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You speak as if Aubameyang was ever cheap. He wasn't. And with his record rightly so. And you are wrong about City. At one point last summer they were in "advanced talks" with Aubamayang. Meaning a fee had already been agreed with Dortmund and only agreement with the player was needed. He turned them down due yo his preference to move to Madrid.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
You speak as if Aubameyang was ever cheap. He wasn't. And with his record rightly so. And you are wrong about City. At one point last summer they were in "advanced talks" with Aubamayang. Meaning a fee had already been agreed with Dortmund and only agreement with the player was needed. He turned them down due yo his preference to move to Madrid.
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No, it does not mean it at all. I can give you a lot of examples (around a dozen of Dortmund players alone), where the personal details were already agreed on before the clubs reached an agreement on the fee. It is one of the biggest reasons for agencies and the power of agents.

And that is actually assuming that these reports of these "advanced talks" hold any merit, which I highly doubt. When it comes to internatonal transfers I follow a simple rule. If there is something to a story, there are sources from both sides which report it independently from each other. In this case there was a lot of English paper talk but the German side was awfully quiet, both the boulevard and the media close to Dortmund. Now, some might chalk that up as something that might happen when it comes to the BVB as internal matters very rarely got to the outside for years. Problem is that by that time there was already someone on the inside of the club feeding information to the press (by now pretty much everybody inside and around the club assumes it was Olaf Meinking, the personal agent of Tuchel). If there would have been something more to the story, let alone something huge like an agreed fee, there would have been a hell lot more noise about it in Germany. So sorry, not buying it.
 
Us armchair football managers need to remember one thing, and that is a players attitude and motivation. We almost always judge a player on his footballing ability on these forums, and nothing else. We don't know anything about his character, attitude, motivation, integration in new country, language problems etc.

When you are buying a player for 70-80 million all the things (or most of them) above need to be in place. I am speculating that our management has concluded that Auba is a very good footballer, but many of the above is not in place.

I get a bit provoked when some say give him that amount in salary, and he will choose us. We don't need players who are doubting coming here, but are swayed by enormous wages. If Auba truly wanted to come here his management would have made noises about that before.
 
Lemansky said:
Us armchair football managers need to remember one thing, and that is a players attitude and motivation. We almost always judge a player on his footballing ability on these forums, and nothing else. We don't know anything about his character, attitude, motivation, integration in new country, language problems etc.

When you are buying a player for 70-80 million all the things (or most of them) above need to be in place. I am speculating that our management has concluded that Auba is a very good footballer, but many of the above is not in place.

I get a bit provoked when some say give him that amount in salary, and he will choose us. We don't need players who are doubting coming here, but are swayed by enormous wages. If Auba truly wanted to come here his management would have made noises about that before.
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Most of the time ability trumps all those tho. And in Auba's case he's the best available forward at the time.
 
Sphaero said:
Or maybe he is willing to do just that if nothing comes from it? The Paris deal like I mentioned earlier included a lot of personal factors, but aside of Real Madrid any other potential move appears to be massively influenced by money. As far as I see and heard it, Auba appears to be genuinely happy and content at Dortmund. Despite running his mouth from time to time his mood, motivation and performances were never affected from it.

From Dortmund´s perspective , him asking for that much more money from potential suiters is a positive thing and the reason why I would not worry one bit if he ends up staying (infact I´m hoping for it despite what could be done with all the money his move could bring). For him it would take earning that much more than he does now to leave Dortmund.




No, any move by Aubameyang died the moment Mkhitaryan signed for United. At that point Auba was deemed essential for reaching the top 3 and helping with the squad overhaul. You guys signing Mr. melancholy put an additional 50-60 mil. € on Aubameyangs price tag and not even City is crazy enough to pay a record fee when they have Kun Aguero.
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Sphaero said:
No, it does not mean it at all. I can give you a lot of examples (around a dozen of Dortmund players alone), where the personal details were already agreed on before the clubs reached an agreement on the fee. It is one of the biggest reasons for agencies and the power of agents.

And that is actually assuming that these reports of these "advanced talks" hold any merit, which I highly doubt. When it comes to internatonal transfers I follow a simple rule. If there is something to a story, there are sources from both sides which report it independently from each other. In this case there was a lot of English paper talk but the German side was awfully quiet, both the boulevard and the media close to Dortmund. Now, some might chalk that up as something that might happen when it comes to the BVB as internal matters very rarely got to the outside for years. Problem is that by that time there was already someone on the inside of the club feeding information to the press (by now pretty much everybody inside and around the club assumes it was Olaf Meinking, the personal agent of Tuchel). If there would have been something more to the story, let alone something huge like an agreed fee, there would have been a hell lot more noise about it in Germany. So sorry, not buying it.
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That's your business. I'm sticking to my guns.
 
drmuji said:
Are you sure that we are really interested in him. Would suit us at number 10 if Morata arrives too? Not sure. Mkhi and Mata both like to play at 10
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No. It would be either him or Morata.
Also Mkhi had his best season playing on the right side. And I am still not sure if we are going to Play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 so there might not be a place for a 10 in our first 11.
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
No. It would be either him or Morata.
Also Mkhi had his best season playing on the right side. And I am still not sure if we are going to Play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 so there might not be a place for a 10 in our first 11.
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Hmm. I thought Mkhi played his best when he was given a free role. And interesting point you are making. If it's either him or Morata then wouldn't you think he would need player who can hold the ball up better . Sort of zlatan role but faster . Are you sure Aub can do that
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
No. It would be either him or Morata.
Also Mkhi had his best season playing on the right side. And I am still not sure if we are going to Play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 so there might not be a place for a 10 in our first 11.
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?? How many bvb games did you watch? Bvb played 4-1-do-whatever-you-want last season
 
No other available player will almost guarantee us the same number of goals as Ibra. Heck the only other player apart from Madrid, barca strikers would be Kane and he would cost double. Don't care that he wants to play for barca that just means he's ambitious and don't care about him asking for loads of cash. Doesn't mean we need to pay it. Its a negotiation. Make an offer. See if he accepts.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Most of the time ability trumps all those tho. And in Auba's case he's the best available forward at the time.
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I beg to disagree my friend. Ability does not trump those. Take for example willingness to play somewhere. If Messi does not want to play in England, then he won't and his ability will mean nothing.
 
Maybe Aubameyang simply does not want to play in England (or China). Maybe it´s Spain, Italy, PSG or Dortmund.
 
Wellllllll.....if Cris really wants to leave no matter what, we're probably going to sign him afterall
 
giorno said:
Wellllllll.....if Cris really wants to leave no matter what, we're probably going to sign him afterall
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Nope. Me thinks if Ronaldo leaves, you are either getting Mbappe or Hazard for sure and keeping Morata.
 
RDCR07 said:
Nope. Me thinks if Ronaldo leaves, you are either getting Mbappe or Hazard for sure and keeping Morata.
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I think we're signing two players, Mbappé and Auba. We can't replace Cris with just one guy, and Hazard is not a goalscorer. We already have creative players
 
GM K said:
I beg to disagree my friend. Ability does not trump those. Take for example willingness to play somewhere. If Messi does not want to play in England, then he won't and his ability will mean nothing.
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Ideally you would get both, but Jose is a great manager when it comes to taking the best of his players and Auba is a level above Morata. Would likely come cheaper as well.

I really hope we turn our attention to him especially since Ronaldo threw a strop and most likely the Morata saga will be even longer than expected.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Ideally you would get both, but Jose is a great manager when it comes to taking the best of his players and Auba is a level above Morata. Would likely come cheaper as well.

I really hope we turn our attention to him especially since Ronaldo threw a strop and most likely the Morata saga will be even longer than expected.
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I have to say that Madrid is really pissing me off right now. I will be happy if we walk away from the Morata bid and find an alternative elsewhere just to show them we are not some minnows. I don't even mind Diego Costa at this rate. It's that bad.
 
Just saw that Psg has cancelled the deal according to the Italian or Spanish journo on bt sports, can't remember his name but he's chubby.
 
spwd said:
Just saw that Psg has cancelled the deal according to the Italian or Spanish journo on bt sports, can't remember his name but he's chubby.
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Probably because they've turned their attention to a certain other player who might suddenly be available.
 
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