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Phil Jones | Exit Speculation
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I'd personally prefer a loan deal, if he were to leave so that he could hopefully get some first team football and get back to fitness. But if we were to sell, I'd certainly hope we have a buy back clause (which would be reasonably priced) and/or a large percentage of the profit of any sell on fee.
Btw, I don't understand the level of hate Jones gets on here. It's one of those things that a few fans say it and then everyone follows. A few years back Jones was seen as one of the biggest prospects in English football and he was considerably ahead of Smalling. We've all seen how Smalling has progressed the last few seasons (at the ages of 25/26) when he's not injured as much. Saying that, I realise Jones progression has stalled and he perhaps has even gone backwards, due to the shear number of injuries he's had. But I reckon, he should be loaned and given another chance to prove he can make it, as if we were to sell now, we'd be getting say £10m. That fee is simply shocking considering Stones cost £47.5m and Burnley want £20m for Micheal Keane.
Btw, I don't understand the level of hate Jones gets on here. It's one of those things that a few fans say it and then everyone follows. A few years back Jones was seen as one of the biggest prospects in English football and he was considerably ahead of Smalling. We've all seen how Smalling has progressed the last few seasons (at the ages of 25/26) when he's not injured as much. Saying that, I realise Jones progression has stalled and he perhaps has even gone backwards, due to the shear number of injuries he's had. But I reckon, he should be loaned and given another chance to prove he can make it, as if we were to sell now, we'd be getting say £10m. That fee is simply shocking considering Stones cost £47.5m and Burnley want £20m for Micheal Keane.
Im sure our medical team know his situation. Unless they advise chronic issues id send him out on loan. It doesn't look good for him though, a shame.
It's strange with Jones. He is much more talented than Smalling, but Smalling seemed to get over his early injury issues and kick on, but Jones never did.
He's behind Smalling, Bailly, Blind now, he's welcome to go. I'd rather give 4th choice games to someone like Fosu-Mensah if we aren't going to sign another defender (I think we'll sign Fonte).
He's behind Smalling, Bailly, Blind now, he's welcome to go. I'd rather give 4th choice games to someone like Fosu-Mensah if we aren't going to sign another defender (I think we'll sign Fonte).
so if he goes out then I'd imagine that Fonte will be incoming
Re Jones, I think injuries have just hampered his development, but now he needs regular football to see if he can kick on. I don't think we can offer that to him
Re Jones, I think injuries have just hampered his development, but now he needs regular football to see if he can kick on. I don't think we can offer that to him
Arrived with such a high profile for a young English defender, it was easy for us all to have high hopes. I can't remember the last time he had a good run in the team and when he did, he looked far from United quality. Will be really interesting to see how he plays if he can actually stay fit enough to do so. Another player that United have given a huge sum of money to for very little in return. If he was foreign, I highly doubt there would be guys asking for a loan or to keep him.
Even when fit he's stupidly overrated. Fluffed up stats like his high number of tackles and interceptions, usually from him having to sort out his own feckin mistakes. Never in control of himself and just a walking disaster.
Time to end this stupid experiment.
Time to end this stupid experiment.
Hope he stays, I like Jones. Still think if he could stay fit for a whole season like Smalling managed he would be our best defender.
Blind and Darmian can both cover Shaw. Rojo is diabolical and I would rather see him out the door first.
He's too clumsy to be a defender, always likely to hurt himself or others in a tackle.
I would be happy with a deal of £12- £15m for him.
I would be happy with a deal of £12- £15m for him.
Delighted with this news. Not sure about Fonte though, Martial shouldn't have been able to go one on one following on that pass from Rooney, he still had to cut inside and quite a distance to cover. Fonte was slow as feck.
Would be a good move for Jones. Hopefully he'll play regularly and even if he doesn't, he'll still feature much more than at United.
If it goes well, maybe they coould still be future for him here (if they don't have an option to buy him that is).
Anyways, I'm glad to see him leave. It's pointless keeping him at the club right now and it'll also be beneficial for him.
If it goes well, maybe they coould still be future for him here (if they don't have an option to buy him that is).
Anyways, I'm glad to see him leave. It's pointless keeping him at the club right now and it'll also be beneficial for him.
I reckon we could get up to £13m for him. Anyway, I'd sell him for whatever they offer. He's of no use to us.
And feck loaning him. You don't loan 24 year old England internationals who have been here for 5 years. They stay or they go.
Of the senior players, Jones, Rojo, Young and obviously Schweinsteiger are all surplus to requirements, and hopefully all leave this window. We could probably get up to £35m for all 4, plus about £400k saved a week.
And feck loaning him. You don't loan 24 year old England internationals who have been here for 5 years. They stay or they go.
Of the senior players, Jones, Rojo, Young and obviously Schweinsteiger are all surplus to requirements, and hopefully all leave this window. We could probably get up to £35m for all 4, plus about £400k saved a week.
I don't get this obsession with money! If you were Ed Woodward then maybe it would make some small sense, but from a fan's perspective, why is recouping cash a major factor? - it's not like we're short of a few bob after all!
Jones has nowhere near fulfilled his potential, and I'd agree that he hasn't done enough to justify a squad place this year in the face of the competition he now faces - all the more so if we do add another Center Back to the squad. But there was a time when, albeit briefly, he looked like a world beater. However unlikely it now seems that he might become the player he once promised to be, I don't see the point in selling him when we can loan him out and watch what happens. If he comes good we take him back next season, if he doesn't we've lost out on some pocket change.
36 games missed last season. 36 fecking games. And it's not like he's had his leg broken or something.
The plot thickens...
As a fan I want to see as good a squad as possible, this includes selling damaged goods and getting them off the wage bill. If the rumours about Fabinho, and the fact that the club wants Mourinho to sell before purchasing more is true then a CB that is often injured, on relatively high wages and who probably never will fullfill his potential is high up on my list of who we should sell. United will be better off with Jones gone from the squad, and Fabinho \ Fonte added. If we can get some money for him, even better. Jones could probably straight up finance Fonte. And even though we like to believe it I dont think our pockets are limitless, we've already spent a fair bit this summer, closing in on £150m, it would only be natural that the accountants wants to see some outgoing players and incoming money as well.
How about when Bailly leaves for the AFCON? One injury to Smalling or Blind and we would have a makeshift defence in one of the most intense periods of the year. Having a Fonte in there instead of Jones who probably would be injured, or atleast not performing, wouldn't be unwise.
To my mind we should say - let's put you on a pay as you play deal. If you don't want to then we'll be forced to sell you. Simple as that.
Or we could get rid of him and buy a better defender who isn't injury prone...
Showcross is hardly ever injured, Jones is hardly ever fit. Go figure
Shawcross has chronic back issues these days. They'll hardly ever play together.
Good move for Jones though. It's right at his level and he will go straight into the starting lineup.
Yeah, I agree with most of that, except that I cling on to the hope, however small, that Jones might have an injury free season playing for a Stoke or some such, and that come April we're talking about him as one of the stand out players of the year, and delighting in the fact that we get to have him in our squad the following year because we resisted the temptation to sell him outright and insisted on a loan deal.
I'm not saying that this scenario is likely by the way, but it's not my money we're talking about and I'd rather take a punt on Jones coming good than see a few quid vanish into the OT coffers.
Would be happy if this happens. I think I might be one of few who didn't rate Jones even when he was getting compared with Edwards and Baresi. Always looked to me as an untalented version of David Luiz.
The injuries obviously hampered his developments but I don't think that he was ever going to be that good. Just another one on the line of Cleverley, Welbeck, Da Silvas which for some reasons we thought are very talented.
The injuries obviously hampered his developments but I don't think that he was ever going to be that good. Just another one on the line of Cleverley, Welbeck, Da Silvas which for some reasons we thought are very talented.
Great news.
No loan, get rid.
Phil Jones does have the potential to be a great centre back, but if he does have a future it's not at Man Utd - he's a "backs to the wall" defender that thrives under 90 minutes of pressure and would do well at any lower half club, but he doesn't have the concentration or technique to do it at our level. Shame because he comes across as a really good guy and he's obviously a determined character.
Phil Jones does have the potential to be a great centre back, but if he does have a future it's not at Man Utd - he's a "backs to the wall" defender that thrives under 90 minutes of pressure and would do well at any lower half club, but he doesn't have the concentration or technique to do it at our level. Shame because he comes across as a really good guy and he's obviously a determined character.
Hilariously overrated and not good enough even when fit which is as rare as anything.
Funny faces aside he offers nothing.
Funny faces aside he offers nothing.
I think he'll go in the next week, only question then is on loan or permanent?
I'm reluctant to let him go for the simple reason that I have become mentally scarred from season after season after fecking season of defensive injury crises, so I don't want us to go into a season without a lot of defensive/centre-back options to choose from when the next crisis inevitably hits.
That said, Jones himself would be the one leading the defensive crisis, so that might be irrelevant to the matter. Still, I'd want him replaced in the squad.
That said, Jones himself would be the one leading the defensive crisis, so that might be irrelevant to the matter. Still, I'd want him replaced in the squad.
And people wonder how Mourinho keeps his squads from getting injured.
If we do sell him, I hope he goes for a decent price, with an add on clause. We always seem to get mugged off when we sell players. However since he has hardly played in the last couple of seasons, getting a good price would be difficult. Which is why sending him on loan might not be a bad idea. If as others have said before, we face an injury crisis, and he has been playing, then we could possibly recall him. Else we could get rid next season.
He's worth 6-7m in his current state, if he was fit much higher.
Considering we sold Evans for 5m, getting 7m for Jones, would probably be looked at as a fair price!
That was in a different market. We managed to con Dourface out of £5m potentially rising to £7m for a McNair with one year left on his contract, we should be looking for £10m with a sell-on clause for Jones.
Sell him to Arsenal
People holding on to hope that he might be injury free. Even when he's fit, he's shite.There is no upside to keeping him.
It's about time someone starts selling players who can barely stay fit for half a season, year after year.
Remember when he just came in and did a few driving runs from the right back position and people were saying "wow didn't know he had that in his locker!" And Fergie called him the new Duncan Edwards because he could seemingly do everything?
What a flop.
What a flop.
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