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2018-19 Performances


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5.0 Season Average Rating
Appearances
24
Clean sheets
6
Goals
0
Assists
1
Yellow cards
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You are right and overall I agree with you. That spell last season was really impressive though. He showed real leadership and clearly was the one organising the backline with Bailly. I had never really appreciated what Fergie saw in him until that run of games but it looked like he was really maturing into a top class player and a leader in the squad.

But then he got injured and when he came back his performances weren't good. That mistake in the cup final was horrendous. The major worry with him is that he seems to need a run of games to get himself into form. That is unlikely to happen for someone so injury prone.

Paul McGrath or Ledley King could miss a month, not train and still be the best player on the pitch when they got back. That isn't the case for Jones. It's such a shame because just prior to the point where everyone gave up on him, he showed why he was worth persisting with in previous years.

There are times when he's very impressive as you say, but even when he's impressive for me he doesn't play like a defender who's been at a top club for nearly a decade. He still seems very rash and raw at times, often relying on last ditch tackles instead of having the awareness to deal with the situation before it gets to that stage.

Obviously the constant injuries and lack of long runs in the team have severely hampered his development. In his first season i was very impressed with him and excited to see what he could develop into. But for the most part he's pretty much that same player we signed in 2011.
 
You're right, it meant nothing in the end but it just shows you how quickly things can change. It was early last season that Southgate said Jones was his first choice (and he deserved it on form).

He was fourth or fifth choice in the world cup because he got injured and was crap when he returned. I'm not saying he's great and should be given a new contract. All I am saying is that little over a year ago if someone said Harry Maguire was better than Jones they would have been laughed at.

It means that you shouldn't judge Phil Jones based on form of over 1 month or so. Even now after just 3 good games we have people coming back to defend him.
 
You are right and overall I agree with you. That spell last season was really impressive though. He showed real leadership and clearly was the one organising the backline with Bailly. I had never really appreciated what Fergie saw in him until that run of games but it looked like he was really maturing into a top class player and a leader in the squad.

But then he got injured and when he came back his performances weren't good. That mistake in the cup final was horrendous. The major worry with him is that he seems to need a run of games to get himself into form. That is unlikely to happen for someone so injury prone.

Paul McGrath or Ledley King could miss a month, not train and still be the best player on the pitch when they got back. That isn't the case for Jones. It's such a shame because just prior to the point where everyone gave up on him, he showed why he was worth persisting with in previous years.
Yep, we'll never know how good Jones could potentially have been, but we now know what we can get from him and unfortunately it's not enough.

Last season is probably the best season Jones has ever had. An argument could be made about perhaps his first season with us, but certainly as a central defender last season was his best ever. But he still wasn't really 'that' good even in the first half of the season, and then of course he was very inconsistent when he came back. Still had some good games and he did deserve to start the FA Cup final (something a lot of people forget in hindsight), but he also had some shockers. Which just about sums him up.
 
Isn't it amazing how opinions change quickly? There was a spell early last season where Jones was outstanding alongside Bailly at the back. He was seen as one of the best defenders in the league and Southgate named him as his first choice centre back.

A few injuries and loss of form later, people are seriously talking about letting Jones go for free and paying over £60m for Harry Maguire.

No they haven't changed at all if you keep track of who is saying what.

All the 'Jones is our best defender' crowd crawl into a hole when he has a stinker or gets injured only to pop up when he has a good game against a shite team.

Its been obvious for several years that his guy will never make it due to his horrible injury record and endless brain farts against good opposition.
 
I actually thought he was pretty good last match and actually gave Motm to him (although Darmian and Romero had equal claim). He still scares the hell out of me and I know there’s a mistake or an injury there (he did look like he took a Knock at the end of the game).
 
He has been the best member of that backline under Ole. He deserves his place in the team.
 
Smalling and Jones are both prone to feckups, but it just so happens Smalling is less so. Jones should follow Rojo out the door when we inevitably buy a new first choice partner for Lindelof.
 
I would say Jones’ PL matches under Ole have been from ok to good. Definitely not poor as some suggest. Lindelof has been good to very good. Most interesting, even though I seem to be the only one with that opinion around here, is that Lindelof and Jones work very well together. Especially considering how few matches they have as a pair.

Edit: it’s a very thin line to walk as a CB. Jones repaired a mistake with an amazing last ditch tackle. Had he missed and created a penalty he would have been thrown to the wolves again. Lindelof has also saved/got saved in last second. I think we need to accept that the CB miss sometimes. And even more in a high line playing offensive attractive football.
 
I think both are arguable. Jones with more of the matches, but Lindelof with the best individual match performance.

If he stayed fit for a long time, I am sure he can become a good defender for the club even if not a great one. But thats a big IF. No manager can ultimately rely on Jones as his main CB regardless of his performances, which anyway have shown a deteriorating long-term trend. Not sure if 5 games change any of this.
 
You guys have already forgotten his moments of madness against Newcastle?
You mean the first clean sheet since November last year? :smirk:
I’m not saying he’s perfect but I really think he has been between ok and good in all those matches.
 
If he stayed fit for a long time, I am sure he can become a good defender for the club even if not a great one. But thats a big IF. No manager can ultimately rely on Jones as his main CB regardless of his performances, which anyway have shown a deteriorating long-term trend. Not sure if 5 games change any of this.

Yeah I dont think so either. Jones has mostly played easier games, Lindelof and Smalling have played most of our big games. Think it should stay that way
 
152 appearances since 2011. He’s crap and a crock. And can people stop talking about his development and potential he’s 27 next month!!. Same with Rojo, who Ole today said has returned to Argentina for treatment on a long standing injury. I thought he just spent a year rehabilitating? Can we just get rid of these two pieces of crap for good?
 
No idea how anyone can legitimately want to bring Jones back. We know he can play pretty well at times. We also know he cannot stay healthy over the course of a season. We also know his playing style is not one of him getting "unlucky injuries". Wish him the best at end of season, and let him go on his way.
 
Just waiting for his next major cockup against top opposition before getting injured quickly thereafter until his next ok run of games .rinse and repeat . Not worth the hassle. Get rid
 
He can perform like a prime Vidic for the rest of the season. He still needs to go. He had his chance. No doubt once he gets a new contract its back to being injured again. Far too unreliable. Players like him and Rojo are on extortionate wages that no one wants to pay. Any serious club would have Jones Rojo and Smalling out in the summer. One consistent top quality CB can do the job all of them do combined. They come in play a few games, get injured and wont be seen for a month. Thats why we are stacked at CB.
 
No. But i'm quite sure he missed a lot of games last season and seasons before that.
Here the stats for you from transfermarkt.com :
https://www.transfermarkt.com/phil-.../liga/0/wettbewerb//pos/0/trainer_id/0/plus/1
See that playing column, he never played more than 29 games in league for his entire career here which date back to his first season here 11/12.

He started 2nd most games out of our CBs. So clearly he can stay fit enough for a season.

We'll have to see if he can do something similar for the rest of the season. He's obviously behind at this point, only time will tell. But yes he needs to continue to be as available as he was last season
 
Very very worried about the prospect of Phil Jones vs Harry Kane on Sunday.

Might get very ugly indeed.
He's had a few nightmares against Kane recently, where as Smalling used to always boss him.

I can see Son/Kane's movement causing him lots of problems unfortunately. Let's hope Lindelof is in terminator mode.
 
He's had a few nightmares against Kane recently, where as Smalling used to always boss him.

I can see Son/Kane's movement causing him lots of problems unfortunately. Let's hope Lindelof is in terminator mode.

Smalling Trained in Dubai? Is he not fit to play?
 
It's staggering that of all our centre backs Blind was the one we got rid of. Not Jones or Rojo but Blind?!?

He'd be a good fit for the football we play under Ole now too.

As for Jones, we all know the comedy own goal or awful tackle giving away a penalty is coming soon. Probably against Spurs.
It's cause he was LVG's signing so he had to go regardless of the fact he was far superior to our other defenders. Should never have been allowed to leave due to his quality and versatility.
 
It's cause he was LVG's signing so he had to go regardless of the fact he was far superior to our other defenders. Should never have been allowed to leave due to his quality and versatility.

Rojo is also a LVG signing. In reality all of them should not be here.
 
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