Pepe Reina?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
There's no point in me bringing more up if you deny any exist is there?
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I'm not sure I said he never makes mistakes. He does. All 'keepers do. He just makes very few.

I never called him error prone. I said he is he same type of keeper as Barthez. Barthez wasn't error prone. He just tended to make one very costly error at the wrong points in a season or wrong games.
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So he's not error prone now but merely a 'keeper who makes the odd mistake? Show me a 'keeper who doesn't.

First off VDS error was not even as bad as the Barthez type Gafes of Reina and second, in case you didn't notice VDS never fell apart after his error during that game. If it was your Reina, just like Barthez he would have.
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VdS' error cost you a goal. As bad as it gets for a 'keeper.

Reina 'fell apart'? When? Where? Who? You're stretching credibility here, Chief, to support a poor argument.

If Reina was as good and consistent as you and many others on here claim, by now he'd have displaced Cassilas from the Spain number one jersey. For Cassilas hasn't been that consistent for 2 years now. But he can't because he isn't a special keeper.
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That he is or isn't as good as Casillas isn't the point.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Cech is a better keeper than Reina period. I don't buy this ''at the moment'' argument.
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Is it because you refuse to admit Liverpool have something good or what?!

This is the most random arguement ever, even Stevie Wonder could see that Reina is one of the top 5 keepers in the world.

Cech hasnt been great for a while, unfortunately for him, that head injury still affects his confidence. Was a quite terrible piece of goalkeeping for the Liverpool goal, not his first of that game. And certainly not the first this season.
 
Sharky7 said:
Just because VDS tries to release Rooney a few times a game doesn't mean he has poor distribution, the guy is the best keeper in the world with the ball at his feet, right foot or left foot. A goalkeeper's distribution is about much much more than just his long kicks from his hands, which admittedly Reina is probably better at.
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He is great with his feet, I agree there's no-one better. But when he has bags of time he just launches it forward directly to their centre backs more often than not. As I said occasionally this will come off but it is rare.

The reason is liked Lindegaard on his debut was that he just passed it to our full backs/centre backs, not theirs. When there is 7-8 of the opposition vs 1-2 of your players the odds are massively stacked against you kicking it 80 yards and finding the man, even Scholes wouldn't like those odds.

I also love how Reina throws the ball to the half way line (usually winger) when they are on the counterattack - in a Schmeichel-esque way.
 
finneh said:
Is it only me who thinks that Reina's distribution is far superior to VDS's? VDS's distribution is the worst part of his game in my opinion, it is comparable to Gibson's shooting in that he launches it 80~ yards at every possibly opportunity and it only comes off a fraction of the time.

When it does come off it is impeccable mind, see Villa.

Also my statement was slightly read wrong, when I said "VDS is equal to him", I meant it to be read as "he is at least as good as at everything..."
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I would assume that you're the only one who thinks that, yes. I would certainly hope so anyway.
 
towcester_red said:
Barclays Golden Glove winners

Reina 3 times
Cech 2 times
VDS 1

How are they still on a level above him then? hmm.
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I believe a few times in recent seasons our clean sheet record was superior but VDS's appearances were reduced due to injury and so he didn't pick up the award.
 
R_Nick said:
I believe a few times in recent seasons our clean sheet record was superior but VDS's appearances were reduced due to injury and so he didn't pick up the award.
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That cant be a slight against Reina. Also, if he doesnt get injured then another bonus.

Three pretty decent keepers there, the point was to say that Cech and VDS are on another level is laughable.
 
Just to chip in, I think he'd be perfect. Drops more bollocks than VDS, but considerably fewer than most, he'd settle right into our set-up with his experience, and I've somehow managed to avoid hating him despite his affiliation with Liverpool. Whether we'd go to 20m on him is another matter.
 
towcester_red said:
That cant be a slight against Reina. Also, if he doesnt get injured then another bonus.

Three pretty decent keepers there, the point was to say that Cech and VDS are on another level is laughable.
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:confused: I wasn't suggesting it was, I was just pointing it out.
 
Not really that stupid of them. £20m for a keeper is still good money. I wouldn't want to pay that for Reina.
 
Jiggs'Hamstring said:
Just to chip in, I think he'd be perfect. Drops more bollocks than VDS, but considerably fewer than most, he'd settle right into our set-up with his experience, and I've somehow managed to avoid hating him despite his affiliation with Liverpool. Whether we'd go to 20m on him is another matter.
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Exactly,how can you hate a butlins redcoat...

 
towcester_red said:
£20m for a keeper who is 28 and one of the worlds best?
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It's fairly steep when you consider other options would cost a lot less. I suppose you'd be paying for proven premiership nous, but the likes of Stekelenburg would be cheaper, and the likes of De Gea or Neuer younger. Also, I think Reina is a good keeper but he's not in the very top tier I think.
 
sincher said:
It's fairly steep when you consider other options would cost a lot less. I suppose you'd be paying for proven premiership nous, but the likes of Stekelenburg would be cheaper, and the likes of De Gea or Neuer younger. Also, I think Reina is a good keeper but he's not in the very top tier I think.
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All things considered though, it's £20m for virtually zero risk.

Stekelenburg and the others you mention whilst they may be cheaper they all present a risk.

Fergie has gone on record saying that he won't make the same mistakes as in the past regarding goalkeepers.
 
sincher said:
It's fairly steep when you consider other options would cost a lot less. I suppose you'd be paying for proven premiership nous, but the likes of Stekelenburg would be cheaper, and the likes of De Gea or Neuer younger. Also, I think Reina is a good keeper but he's not in the very top tier I think.
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Reina is better than all them 3 though.

I probably sound like a Reina bumboy at the moment, when im really not, but he definately is in the top tier. Easily, if he didnt play for Liverpool people would probably recognise this more.

If we got Skekelenburg, De Gea or Neuer and Reina went to Arsenal, we would have certainly missed out.
 
I don't know. I'd be happier with Neuer, less happy with Stekelenburg.
 
Pepe Reina, at £20million, would be an absolute steal. He is one of the best keepers in the league and has experience in the CL - it's a no-brainer for me. If that clause exists, offer the money and IF he wants to come then happy days. If not, we move on but I think he would be a serious option for the club.
 
If Neuer was available for less, I'd take him over Reina. Same with De Gea, not saying De Gea is better but is certainly good enough already and has the potential to be the best in the world in a few years.
 
towcester_red said:
That cant be a slight against Reina. Also, if he doesnt get injured then another bonus.

Three pretty decent keepers there, the point was to say that Cech and VDS are on another level is laughable.
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What are you saying? Over the years he has a superior clean sheet record to Cassilas and Buffon. Are you going to claim he is their equal too because of it?
 
Sam.G said:
I'm not sure I said he never makes mistakes. He does. All 'keepers do. He just makes very few.
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He doesn't just make a few. He makes absolutely dreadful ones that top keeper should never make. Tell me when you have seen VDS, Cech, Cassilas or Buffon score an own goal.

Sam.G said:
So he's not error prone now but merely a 'keeper who makes the odd mistake? Show me a 'keeper who doesn't.
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It shouldn't be hard to understand mate. What separates great keepers from good ones is they never school boy errors like conceding own goals. Plus they have the mettle to not fall apart after a mistakes during a game. Most importantly they next to never make costly errors in big games.

What Reina is, is a good keeper. Just like Barthez was. Great he is not.

Sam.G said:
VdS' error cost you a goal. As bad as it gets for a 'keeper.
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It is not any where near as bad as Reina own goal. that is why VDS is a goal keeping great and Reina isn't.


Sam.G said:
Reina 'fell apart'? When? Where? Who? You're stretching credibility here, Chief, to support a poor argument.
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I did it already. VS Argentina in the recent friendly. He did it in that infamous derby. He did against Arsenal when he scored his own goal. His done it in other Liverpool defeats too..

All you do is deny deny, deny because you don't like what I'm saying. It's what you always do when it comes to Liverpool and Liverpool players. I really don't have time for that game today. Reina is mpyl not good enough to be number 1 at United period. I don't need to prove to you frankly. :D

Sam.G said:
That he is or isn't as good as Casillas isn't the point.
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Oh its ever much the point. Y'all Keep telling me he is as good as Vander Sar. If Van der SAr for example, was Spanish and still available for national duty, Cassilas in the form he has been for 2 years now wouldn't still be Spanish number 1.
 
towcester_red said:
Yes, in my opinion he is on thier level. Both of them players also have weaknesses in thier game.

Reina is also the equal of VDS.
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The only weakness in Buffons game is his injuries. He is an outstanding keeper and if you could guarantee (you can't) his fitness I'd gladly pay £25mill for him at 33.

I don't see the hesitation a lot of people have for spending big on keepers, especially when the sums mentioned are peanuts compared to any other world class player. Van der Sar would have been brilliant value if we payed Fulham £30 million for him.
 
towcester_red said:
Barclays Golden Glove winners

Reina 3 times
Cech 2 times
VDS 1

How are they still on a level above him then? hmm.
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Reina behind one of the most defensively minded teams in the history of the EPL - his defence won him those accolades - bailed him out plenty when he dropped a bollock which tends to be on crosses.

Cech behind one of the most defensively minded teams in the history of the EPL.

VDS behind a less than shit defence and a pretty dominant team.

Don 't be fooled by some gong award.
 
towcester_red said:
Is it because you refuse to admit Liverpool have something good or what?!
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Rather it's because I am certain Reina is no worth 20 m and isn't as good as Van dEr sar in any shape or form .

I'm not the type to fail to praise player just because they play for a club or football nation I detest.

towcester_red said:
This is the most random arguement ever, even Stevie Wonder could see that Reina is one of the top 5 keepers in the world.
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Typical fanboish bullshit:lol:
 
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