Possibly the dumbest thread in history, I give up now!
Pepe Reina?
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Possibly the dumbest thread in history, I give up now!
There is only one way to settle this.
Kingston Upon Hull.
Kingston Upon Hull.
The same Scousers who treat Rafa like a demi god?
I don't recall Rafa throwing the ball into Liverpool's net. I imagine if he did, we'd have heard a little grumbling.
But I'm sure you've heard how he left them a better squad than what Houllier left him haven't you..
Ah the famous RAWK "We Won the Golden Gloves!!!!"
Fergie will never break the good old tradition of not doing business with that lot. I'd take him if he came via another club.
Yup we'd never trade with them. No buying/selling viruses and all that
Yep. SAF wouldn't give a damn to be honest. He'll buy whoever he thinks is best and if that is Reina and he is available then he'll get him. No chance he'll let the Liverpool thing get in the way.
Having said that there is not a chance in hell Liverpool will sell him to us.
If there is a release, doesn't that mean they have to accept the bid?
As opposed to Heinze, for example, where there wasn't any such clause, so we could reject bids with extreme prejudice.
As opposed to Heinze, for example, where there wasn't any such clause, so we could reject bids with extreme prejudice.
I've already explained earlier in the thread that if the £20m release clause is met they will have no choice.
That's the biggest if. Other than a couple of journos we have no reason to believe there is. They could be talking out of their arse as always.
Mate I know how a release clause works. I just doubt there is one.
The release clauses in Reina and Torres have already been reported and highlighted as a big mistake by Purslow in hindsight.
What has been speculation as to why he did - was it the only way he could get them to sign the extensions or just plain dumb.
If Liverpool put one in Torres contact, why are any of you so adamant that they wouldn't have put one in Reina's?
As far as De Gea goes - I just don't get how people are thinking SAF would be in for him when he just bought Lindengaard and the goal is to get someone to immediately take over for VDS. What's the point of Lindengaard if De Gea is to take over VDS. Same people seem to think that the idea of Reina is preposterous.
Cech has been far more prone to errors and uncertainty than Reina in the last couple of years. He's made 1 clanger this season but, then so did VDS, so does that make VDS error prone?
All other keepers are a risk. Never seen them play in the PL and if like Chief, the argument against Reina is that he is error prone - then Neur or any of the others have been known to have them not to mention, when those keepers are battling their way in the PL - who knows how much more they'll falter under pressure and at that playing for a top team.
Reina proven at a team with a lot of pressure to win, proven in the PL. If it came down to him versus the rest outside, am amazed people are even arguing about it.
What has been speculation as to why he did - was it the only way he could get them to sign the extensions or just plain dumb.
If Liverpool put one in Torres contact, why are any of you so adamant that they wouldn't have put one in Reina's?
As far as De Gea goes - I just don't get how people are thinking SAF would be in for him when he just bought Lindengaard and the goal is to get someone to immediately take over for VDS. What's the point of Lindengaard if De Gea is to take over VDS. Same people seem to think that the idea of Reina is preposterous.
Cech has been far more prone to errors and uncertainty than Reina in the last couple of years. He's made 1 clanger this season but, then so did VDS, so does that make VDS error prone?
All other keepers are a risk. Never seen them play in the PL and if like Chief, the argument against Reina is that he is error prone - then Neur or any of the others have been known to have them not to mention, when those keepers are battling their way in the PL - who knows how much more they'll falter under pressure and at that playing for a top team.
Reina proven at a team with a lot of pressure to win, proven in the PL. If it came down to him versus the rest outside, am amazed people are even arguing about it.
Reina is easily the 2nd best keeper in the league. The fact that people in this thread have described him as constantly making howlers and dropping his head and being shit and tried to back this up with referencing about 3 different incidents out of his entire career is just laughable, 3 feck ups in a career is pretty fantastic tbh. Show me 6 a season every season and you have a point about consistantly being unreliable.
Ignorance is blindingly obvious no matter how many green smilies are added to try and make the post look reputable.........
Ignorance is blindingly obvious no matter how many green smilies are added to try and make the post look reputable.........
Another plus for Reina is that he hardly ever misses games because of injury, unlike, say, Gordon. How often do you see the Liverpool back up keeper get a league game?
All things aside, if the reported 20mil release clause for Reina is true, i think that alone is a steal. You can't get Lloris, Neuer, Adler or any experienced and worthy goalkeeper for that amount in today's market. He is a very good goalkeeper and it would solve a position for the next 10 years.
Makoun = Makelele, Pogba = new Vieira and now Reina = Barthez. You're on a roll, Chief.
1. If you do not know by now Makoun plays the same way as Makelele you clearly haven't watched him enough.
2. I've never called Pogba the new Vieira. I said I hoped he could become that type of player, because he has the potential to. Having potential doesn't not equal becoming or being.
3. You clearly don't remember how good a keeper Barthez was. Anyone who claims Reina is as good as Van der sar is frankly claiming Reina is a goal keeping great. Figure out what that means.
1. Nah, don't see the comparison, Chief. Apart from how they look, Makoun's a much more rounded player, technique-wise. Hence, the reason he's able to burst forward and score goals like he did against Madrid.
2. Fair enough.
3. No, I see what you mean, I just thought you meant it in a negative way. There's no doubting how good Barthez was prior to the 2001/02 season.
Fair enough. I saw Makelele score a wonder goal against Spurs though.....
Exactly. Its not a negative thing to be Barthez. A world cup, Euro nations cup and multiple league winner. Barthez's only failing was being prone to the occasional slapstick error. Reina is that same way. Errors like an own goal you will never find players like Cech and Van der sar making, even when in bad form.
That is why the idea that he'd be a steal at 20 m is a joke. 20m is for talent of the ilk of Casillas, Buffon and Van der sar. Not for Barthez's.
Why some people on here treat the name of Barthez as if it is associated with a goalkeeping pariah is beyond me.
He does mean it in a negative way. He thinks Reina is error prone.
He also thinks Reina fell apart against Arsenal after conceding the goal. Reina never touched the ball again in that game..
Wrong. Rather I think Reina is the same type of keeper as Barthez. Very good, who drops the occasional slapstick gaffe, at wrong moments one or twice a season, that no top tier talent keeper ever makes.
As I've said as nauseum. Error prone is Almunia. If you really think Barthez was error prone then you really have no clue about keepers at all.
All 'keepers make mistakes, Chief. That is a fact, my friend.
VdS's howler cost you a goal v WBA this season. Cech makes them more often these days also.
All 'keepers make mistakes. The best ones, like Reina et al, make very few though.
Cue: Chief brings up a Reina howler v Everton 3 seasons ago to prove his point!
Edit: Saying that, I hope Ferguson goes for De Gea.
Rather the real fact is top tier keepers don't make slapstick errors likes scoring own goals.
There is a huge difference between normal mistakes and slapstick errors.
Neither Cech in his bad patches nor VDS in his horror season at Juventus have ever scored an own goal. Same as the great Dane big Peter, Casillas or Buffon.
You simply don't get the difference between a very good a keeper and a top tier keeper. That much is getting clear.
The best keepers don't make slapstick errors like scoring own goals. Ergo Reina isn't a top tier keeper. It's that simple. Barthez for example was crucified for far less than scoring an own goal.
You wish. I'm done proving anything to you frankly. All you ever do is deny ,deny because it's a Liverpool player you are talking about. Nothing new there.
I'd rather he signed either of them than wasting 20m on the Spanish Barthez.
If there is a chance for reina I'd take him in a flash.
A proven quantity in the premierleague and CL
I wouldn't worry too much about the odd clanger as all keepers make mistakes.
In fact every player makes mistakes but it's goal keepers mistakes that are remembered more.
Reina is an excellent all round keeper and could go directly into the team.
I hope we get him but is there Any hope of getting him ?
I very much doubt it
A proven quantity in the premierleague and CL
I wouldn't worry too much about the odd clanger as all keepers make mistakes.
In fact every player makes mistakes but it's goal keepers mistakes that are remembered more.
Reina is an excellent all round keeper and could go directly into the team.
I hope we get him but is there Any hope of getting him ?
I very much doubt it
Fair enough. I saw Makelele score a wonder goal against Spurs though.....
Exactly. Its not a negative thing to be Barthez. A world cup, Euro nations cup and multiple league winner. Barthez's only failing was being prone to the occasional slapstick error. Reina is that same way. Errors like an own goal you will never find players like Cech and Van der sar making, even when in bad form.
That is why the idea that he'd be a steal at 20 m is a joke. 20m is for talent of the ilk of Casillas, Buffon and Van der sar. Not for Barthez's.
Why some people on here treat the name of Barthez as if it is associated with a goalkeeping pariah is beyond me.
Cech and van der Sar have made errors as bad what Reina has. You cited the Champions League game between Liverpool and Chelsea in 2009 where Reina made some bad errors, Cech was catastrophic in that game. van der Sar made 3 bad errors in a game at Anfield in 2008, and 2 the year before that - they only resulted in one goal but that's beside the point.
Reina doesn't make a particularly high number of mistakes, and is usually very solid in big games. When was the last time he made a major error against us, in Liverpool's biggest games of the season? To my memory he hasn't. He participated in a run to the Champions League Final in 2007 without making any major errors, and did very little wrong in the League in 2008/09, where after Christmas every game for Liverpool was massive. Of course he has made some mistakes but they are isolated incidents; the fact you are citing friendly matches ie. the one against Argentina, and matches from 2006/07 shows just how rare they are, and how small a sample size you're drawing from.
Erm.. scraping the barrel per chance with this beauty, Chief?
Nowt to do with who he plays for. Quality is quality in whatever form. Judging by this thread, most of your own fans can recognise quality also.
We agree on one thing then, Chief!
jeez, this is now becoming equally if not more gay than my debate with Pondlife earlier in the thread... I'm jealous.
Neuer has a 12.8 Million Pounds release clause in his contract, which goalkeeper would the caftards prefer, 20 Million Reina or 12.8 Million Neuer?
It's not a release clause, if a Champions League club offers €15m for him his salary increases by €400,000. The release clause is €20m.
Name a single one of those errors that involved scoring an own goal, getting beat at the near post or scoring yourself by hitting a ball on an opponent while attempting a quick goal kick.
I assure you there is big difference between the bad errors the likes of Khan, Buffon and Cassilas make an those the Reina's and Barthez's do.
Neither did Barthez. Rein just like Barthez makes one or two major errors at the worst moments in a season.
What do you mean? You mean errors in games against the likes of Chelsea or Arsenal don't count as much? Even those in the Liverpool derby?
Yes. But you've conveniently forgotten that before Christmas that same year Liverpool drop points in games and he too was very much at fault.
So where those made by Barthez.
The only thing being they were so shocking in nature. Plus some where high profile. I assure you if Reina was goalkeeping for us and did for us what he did Vs Chelsea in that high scoring Champions league tie, he'd have received the Barthez treatment from everyone.
That's just wishful thinking. I'm simply giving examples of his most recent gaffes and his previous high profiles ones. Reina makes the type of errors that stops him being as good as people like Cassillas and Van der sar.
For the last time I'm making it clear. I haven't called Reina shit. I havent called him an Almunia either. I've simple said he isn't in the league of Cech, Van Der sar, Casillas, Julio Ceasar or Buffon at their best. What he is, is a Barthez at his best. Thus he isn't worth 20m and since he is not as good as a any of them, even natural talent wise, I'd rather not have him as a United keeper.
I'm tired of people acting like I've called him a Third division level keeper
ooooh toughy, I actually wouldn't mind pissing off the scousers and doing a Figo to them.
But, if it was 7m difference then Neuer would probably be the better option.
Or, would that 7m be worth it to piss them off? I'm arguing with myself, must be a tough choice.
I know who I'd prefer.
Torres beat VdS at his near post at Anfield in 08/09.
I remember it well. He beat Ferdinand for pace and slammed in a beauty while yer man, Edwin could only stand and watch.
Your case is getting worse by the minute. And it was terrible to start with!
Right. No more from me!
Got a source on that? I'd love to know if that's true.
If it is, it's pretty obvious which represents more 'value'.
That Enckelman fellow is a true gent. Most folk would probably have punched that Birmingham fan who had walked on pitch to make fun of him at his expense after, right in front of him