Pepe Reina?

[I'm always right]

Hmmm. Check out his profile folks - it'll make sense.

Hey, Sharky ... don't go changing that on me now too.
Remember to brush those teeth.

Damn, another edit didn't arrive in time. I thought it was time to shut up shop on a more friendly tone :

What's with the profile?... I await with excitement

 

[Feeky Magee]

Phew. I was concerned that that e-argument a few weeks back was a sign of increased e-gayness on my part, but it turns out Sharky thrives on them and must have just sucked me in. I'm only e-bi now I reckon.

 

[I'm always right]

Phew. I was concerned that that e-argument a few weeks back was a sign of increased e-gayness on my part, but it turns out Sharky thrives on them and must have just sucked me in. I'm only e-bi now I reckon.

this is true, it's like a jedi mind trick Feeky (if Jedi's were gay)

I'm still intrigued as to how my profile explains it all.

 

[I'm always right]

He's left me hanging, I call racism.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Repeatedly?

Care to give a few examples of this repeated behaviour, Chief?

You act like you didn't see him make costly gaffes vs Everton and proceed to finish the game terribly. Same as vs Chelsea and a few others. Even the recent Spain vs Argentina game is fresh in the memory still.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Reina is no calamity, Chief.

You may think he lacks in other departments, but he is as solid as a rock. Makes the old mistake, mind. They all do.

It has feck all to do with mistakes. He makes extremely costly errors and doesn't have the ability to recover from them at all! He is the kind like Barthez who makes an error and then falls to pieces for the rest of the game. Teams like Liverpool an afford such a keeper. We can't as was shown with Barthez.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

He is way better than Barthez. I don't think we have to worry about that. He is taller, quicker and a better shot stopper.

No he isn't. The only thing he has over Barthez is height. He and Bartehz are the same type of keeper. Capable of going from the sublime to the ridiculous out of the blue. Especially at the one moment you don't need them to do it. Proceeding to finish the game terribly after the said error.

 

[Salvation]

Are people really comapring Reina and barthez?!

I did.

It's no poor reflection on either. Both are formidable given when in the right temperament and form. Seen both have their moments in matches with poor kicking, flapping.

That's the down side. On their day, they can be impenetrable too, dishing brilliant saves after another. But those games where they keep teams in it are few and far between cos defences like United's rarely crumbles and foremost need goalkeepers to get their basics right when under pressure.

At this juncture, Reina comes as a safe bet. But it also signals a compromise at the same time.

 

[Point Prunier]

You act like you didn't see him make costly gaffes vs Everton and proceed to finish the game terribly. Same as vs Chelsea and a few others. Even the recent Spain vs Argentina game is fresh in the memory still.

You've only managed to offer that one derby game and a fairly meaningless international to validate your rather queer point of view. VDS fecked up against West Brom this year in a similar way Reina did vs Everton. All I need to do now is find an example of the Dutchman fecking up for Holland and we can pass him off as irratic and unreliable too!

He's about as consistent as you get for a goalkeeper and one of the best in terms of ability/application.

 

[I'm always right]

You've only managed to offer that one derby game and a fairly meaningless international to validate your rather queer point of view. VDS fecked up against West Brom this year in a similar way Reina did vs Everton. All I need to do now is find an example of the Dutchman fecking up for Holland and we can pass him off as irratic and unreliable too!.

Hasn't VDS also fecked up vs. Liverpool whilst with us? Erratic

 

[Sam.G]

You act like you didn't see him make costly gaffes vs Everton and proceed to finish the game terribly. Same as vs Chelsea and a few others. Even the recent Spain vs Argentina game is fresh in the memory still.

That gaff against Everton was 3 seasons ago. What gaff v Chelsea? What 'few others'?

If you are talking about him making occasional mistakes, he does, like all 'keepers. If you are talking about him being error prone, you're are quite simply wrong there, Chief.

I remember a VdS mistake this season that cost you a goal. Using the Chief School of Logic; VdS = Barthez.

Mental!

 

[Stretch]

Chief, I'm afraid you got this one horribly wrong mate.

 

[Wumminator]

Reina is hardly a calamity. He's a fecking cracking keeper.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

So Reina is an error-prone calamity now? As unreliable as Barthez?

The drivel some people come out with on here never ceases to amaze.

 

[wr8_utd]

He's not erratic or prone to many errors but he does make a few. Ofcourse there is no keeper that does not but I've always felt that he's capable of a mistake at any point. But maybe that's because he's behind a shocking defense most of the time. His shot stopping and distribution is brilliant though. How is he with crosses? He would still be a very good signing but Liverpool are unlikely to sell anyway.

 

[Rado_N]

So Reina is an error-prone calamity now? As unreliable as Barthez?

The drivel some people come out with on here never ceases to amaze.

You missed the best one, apparently VDS is 'equal to Reina at most things apart from his shit distribution'.

 

[RedSky]

So Reina is an error-prone calamity now? As unreliable as Barthez?

The drivel some people come out with on here never ceases to amaze.

Indeed. Reina is one of the most consitient goalkeepers in world football.

Frankly, he'd be a brilliant signing and replacement for VDS. But i'd be amazed if Liverpool even consider it, even if we did throw silly money at them.

You look at his age and the experience he's had in International and European football. He'd be perfect. We should have learnt our lesson from the Schmeichel fiasco and go for the pricey experienced target. Throw 20million at them.

 

[Sam.G]

But maybe that's because he's behind a shocking defense most of the time.

'keepers arguably look better in front of shit defences as they have to make more saves. Playing well in front of a good defence is tougher for me. Fewer saves to make, so concentration has to be spot on.

That said, under Hodgson aside, Liverpool's defence isn' really shocking at all. Concedes relatively few goals and not many more per season than Utd I would wager and I don't imagine you consider Utd's defence 'shocking'..

A quick check sees Liverpool, this season aside, have conceded around the same amount of goals as Utd in the league since Reina has been at the club.

Not really sure why I am trying to make a case for Reina here really!

 

[Lance Uppercut]

You missed the best one, apparently VDS is 'equal to Reina at most things apart from his shit distribution'.

Perhaps he meant Reina's "shit distribution?"

 

[RedSky]

Not really sure why I am trying to make a case for Reina here really!

You don't need too, he and Gerrard are the only world class players you have left. I rate Reina highly, think he's a brilliant keeper personally and its just as well he didn't leave in the summer otherwise you'd be in a far worse position.

Whats your valuation of him? Considering the noise coming out in the press it does seem that Reina isn't happy at Liverpool and with the club failing to get Champions League football next year, can you really see him staying at the club?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He's not erratic or prone to many errors but he does make a few. Ofcourse there is no keeper that does not but I've always felt that he's capable of a mistake at any point. But maybe that's because he's behind a shocking defense most of the time. His shot stopping and distribution is brilliant though. How is he with crosses? He would still be a very good signing but Liverpool are unlikely to sell anyway.

If he is behind a shocking defence - and I don't think Liverpool's defence is shocking, worse than ours but not shocking - surely the fact he's won the golden gloves so often is a testament to what an outstanding keeper he really is?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Perhaps he meant Reina's "shit distribution?"

Still retarded, either way. They both have outstanding distribution. Reina's probably the only keeper in the league who could recreate VdS's assist to Rooney against Villa on a regular basis.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Indeed. Reina is one of the most consitient goalkeepers in world football.

Frankly, he'd be a brilliant signing and replacement for VDS. But i'd be amazed if Liverpool even consider it, even if we did throw silly money at them.

You look at his age and the experience he's had in International and European football. He'd be perfect. We should have learnt our lesson from the Schmeichel fiasco and go for the pricey experienced target. Throw 20million at them.

Nail on the head. If we can get him for 20m we should bite their hand off.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Still retarded, either way. They both have outstanding distribution. Reina's probably the only keeper in the league who could recreate VdS's assist to Rooney against Villa on a regular basis.

Hence the quotation marks.

I would say that Reina's kicking is not outstanding, though.

 

[Sultan]

I'm still intrigued as to how my profile explains it all.

I think he is on about your location "lost".

 

[Aboutreika18]

Still retarded, either way. They both have outstanding distribution. Reina's probably the only keeper in the league who could recreate VdS's assist to Rooney against Villa on a regular basis.

Albert Riera scored a similar goal for 'Pool, coincidentally against Villa, a couple of seasons ago from a Reina punt downfield.

 

[wr8_utd]

Albert Riera scored a similar goal for 'Pool, coincidentally against Villa, a couple of seasons ago from a Reina punt downfield.

Just a week after they had hammered us as well

Atleast I think this was in the 4-0

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Hence the quotation marks.

I would say that Reina's kicking is not outstanding, though.

His distribution with the ball in hand is outstanding. Whether he's throwing or kicking the ball.

When he's clearing the ball from a back pass, it's not, I agree. In fact that's the one part of his game that is significantly worse than VdS. Mainly because he's not as comfortable with either foot. I can't think of another keeper who is tbh. It's a quality I don't think we'll ever fully replace. Reina's decent enough at dealing with back passes though. Better than a lot of keepers.

 

[wr8_utd]

How is he with crosses? It's something I've never really focused on when watching him tbh.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

How is he with crosses? It's something I've never really focused on when watching him tbh.

Very good. Not afraid to come for the ball and when he does, he almost always claims it. A bit more likely to punch it than VdS but gets good distance on the ball when he does.

 

[peterstorey]

Reina's hard to fault on any aspect of his game and can pull out big saves at crucial times. Leaving Van der Sar aside since he's about to retire he's the best keeper in the league (Cech looked as if he was getting back to his best earlier in the season but has gone off again).

 

[Sam.G]

Whats your valuation of him? Considering the noise coming out in the press it does seem that Reina isn't happy at Liverpool and with the club failing to get Champions League football next year, can you really see him staying at the club?

If things continue to improve under Dalglish, Reina may well give it one more season. If our current form is merely a dead cat bouncing due to a new manager, well then he'll go. And I don't blame him. If he does go, it seems it will either be to yourselves or to Arsenal. And what a fecking shambles that is - selling our two best players to two of our rivals.

Not sure what he's worth. There seems to be mileage in this '£20m release clause' lark, so I imagine we'll get that.

There are a number of good young 'keepers around at the moment to limit the damage. But they are not as good as Reina for me and the message that selling another of our best players sends to any potential targets is not a good one at all and arguably as damaging in the short-medium term.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Reina's hard to fault on any aspect of his game and can pull out big saves at crucial times. Leaving Van der Sar aside since he's about to retire he's the best keeper in the league (Cech looked as if he was getting back to his best earlier in the season but has gone off again).

Has he?

I was actually going to say that VdS and Reina have been the best keepers in the league by far, for the past few seasons but Cech had regained his mojo this season and was right up there again.

If he has regressed, that's brilliant news.

 

[wr8_utd]

Has he?

I was actually going to say that VdS and Reina have been the best keepers in the league by far, for the past few seasons but Cech had regained his mojo this season and was right up there again.

If he has regressed, that's brilliant news.

Cech was brilliant for most of this season but off late he seems to have gone back to his "not that great but still better than most" form.

The mix ups between him and Ivanovic were hilarious.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

That gaff against Everton was 3 seasons ago.

He gaffed against them in 2 derbies. What of his own goal against Arsenal this season?

What gaff v Chelsea?

Champions league mate.

What 'few others'?

There's no point in me bringing more up if you deny any exist is there?

If you are talking about him making occasional mistakes, he does, like all 'keepers. If you are talking about him being error prone, you're are quite simply wrong there, Chief.

I never called him error prone. I said he is he same type of keeper as Barthez. Barthez wasn't error prone. He just tended to make one very costly error at the wrong points in a season or wrong games.

Error prone is Almunia. I didn't say he was as bad as Almunia.

I remember a VdS mistake this season that cost you a goal. Using the Chief School of Logic; VdS = Barthez.

Mental!

It is mental simple because that is your logic alone.

First off VDS error was not even as bad as the Barthez type Gafes of Reina and second, in case you didn't notice VDS never fell apart after his error during that game. If it was your Reina, just like Barthez he would have.

If Reina was as good and consistent as you and many others on here claim, by now he'd have displaced Cassilas from the Spain number one jersey. For Cassilas hasn't been that consistent for 2 years now. But he can't because he isn't a special keeper.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Chief, I'm afraid you got this one horribly wrong mate.

No I have not. You lot are just dreamers thinking the guy is as good as Van Der Sar or Cech.

If he was that good Casillas would not still be Spain's number 1.

 

[towcester_red]

No I have not. You lot are just dreamers thinking the guy is as good as Van Der Sar or Cech.

If he was that good Casillas would not still be Spain's number 1.

Casillas is Spains golden boy, virtually undroppable.

If you think Cech is better than Reina at the moment you are on another planet.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Casillas is Spains golden boy, virtually undroppable.

If you think Cech is better than Reina at the moment you are on another planet.

Cech is a better keeper than Reina period. I don't buy this ''at the moment'' argument.

 

[finneh]

VDS? Shit distribution?.... did I really just read this or did someone sneak some shrooms into my afternoon cuppa?

Surely a typing error?

You missed the best one, apparently VDS is 'equal to Reina at most things apart from his shit distribution'.

Is it only me who thinks that Reina's distribution is far superior to VDS's? VDS's distribution is the worst part of his game in my opinion, it is comparable to Gibson's shooting in that he launches it 80~ yards at every possibly opportunity and it only comes off a fraction of the time.

When it does come off it is impeccable mind, see Villa.

Also my statement was slightly read wrong, when I said "VDS is equal to him", I meant it to be read as "he is at least as good as at everything..."

 

[I'm always right]

Is it only me who thinks that Reina's distribution is far superior to VDS's? VDS's distribution is the worst part of his game in my opinion, it is comparable to Gibson's shooting in that he launches it 80~ yards at every possibly opportunity and it only comes off a fraction of the time.

Just because VDS tries to release Rooney a few times a game doesn't mean he has poor distribution, the guy is the best keeper in the world with the ball at his feet, right foot or left foot. A goalkeeper's distribution is about much much more than just his long kicks from his hands, which admittedly Reina is probably better at.