Are people really comapring Reina and barthez?!
Pepe Reina?
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It's not going to happen lads, I know you can say well 'look at Torres' 'look at Figo' but I doubt Liverpool would sell to us if we were unwilling to sell to them - infact, I feel the nature of the two clubs means that SAF would not even ask about him. Or any player at Liverpool for what it's worth.
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Not better than Gordon, and the Scot would cost less.
Another classic quote.
You have got to be kidding me!
Surely a typing error?
If by 'people' you mean Chief Rubber Johnny, then the answer is a resounding YES!
People have got to be sober when they post in this thread. I have seen a lot of weird answers.
If there is such a clause (which I doubt) and it is 20 million (which I doubt) then we'd be mad not to buy him imo.
Where is the £20m mentioned then?
It's bollocks, it would be at least double that.
Bryan_Munich Bryan Munich
@TonyEvansTimes Can you confirm 100% that a release clause in Reina's contract definitely exists? Thanks
TonyEvansTimes Tony Evans
@Bryan_Munich It exists
Bryan_Munich Bryan Munich
@TonyEvansTimes Thanks for that. Do we know how much?
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@Bryan_Munich 20m
Nope ...
Gordon better shot-stopper - both have fantastic reactions with none better but Gordon is longer, like VDS and will get to shots Reina can't.
Gordon has better concentration (Reina has stood behind one of the best defensively minded teams in the last 4-5 yrs bar the last year, and lo & behold what do you see, far more errors appearing in his game).
They're just as good or bad however you want to phrase it on the command of the area but this is dependent on the defenders at your disposal.
Reina is better than Gordon with the ball at his feet.
Overall, I'd say Gordon the more consistent, and in no way inferior to Reina ...therefore at 12-15mill, for a slightly younger keeper is better value for money/bang for your buck.
Nope ...
Gordon better shot-stopper - both have fantastic reactions with none better but Gordon is longer, like VDS and will get to shots Reina can't.
Gordon has better concentration (Reina has stood behind one of the best defensively minded teams in the last 4-5 yrs bar the last year, and lo & behold what do you see, far more errors appearing in his game).
They're just as good or bad however you want to phrase it on the command of the area but this is dependent on the defenders at your disposal.
Reina is better than Gordon with the ball at his feet.
Overall, I'd say Gordon the more consistent, and in no way inferior to Reina ...therefore at 12-15mill, for a slightly younger keeper is better value for money/bang for your buck.
You really need to sober up. If you are going to spend 15 fecking million on Gordon, then I d rather we spend a little more and get a better and even younger GK.
Nope ...
Gordon better shot-stopper - both have fantastic reactions with none better but Gordon is longer, like VDS and will get to shots Reina can't.
Gordon has better concentration (Reina has stood behind one of the best defensively minded teams in the last 4-5 yrs bar the last year, and lo & behold what do you see, far more errors appearing in his game).
They're just as good or bad however you want to phrase it on the command of the area but this is dependent on the defenders at your disposal.
Reina is better than Gordon with the ball at his feet.
Overall, I'd say Gordon the more consistent, and in no way inferior to Reina ...therefore at 12-15mill, for a slightly younger keeper is better value for money/bang for your buck.
You are either mad, or Craig himself. Reina wouldn't get bullied like Gordon last week and is so far ahead of him it aint funny.
Ugh, that performance was sickly to watch, truly woeful.
I must be mad as Craig ain't the trumpeting type, and there is no keeper in the world that wouldn't have been made to look a chump by the circumstances that arose at the Brittania on Saturday past. Reina is a short arse - no danger he's have got anywhere near those balls.
If the ref is just going to let four animals like Jones, Carew, Huth and Shawcross (nevermind the two aerial donkeys Bramble & Ferdinand) chase in perfectly flighted Pennant free-kicks without any thought for what was actually going on in there then one might as well not bother with refs - make it a free-for-all.
Did you actually watch the game or did you just base your opinion on the three minute highlights, and specifically the first goal where he was fouled while attempting to jump up for the ball ?
Like who ?
And I just don't want some answer along the likes of well 'Coz I think he's class' - give me some proper analysis.
Go on then ... I'm waiting.
That sounded really gay, you are a little infactuated with Craig no?
"No keeper in the World"? You are nuts.
6ft 2inc.... Short arse? You are bonkers.
Reina does just fine vs. Stoke.
There were no fouls.
Did you watch all of Stoke City vs fecking Sunderland? Just to stare at Craig's bum or?
Joking aside, if you can stick up for that dogturd performance then you seriously must be looking with a huge degree of bias. This kinda reminds me of Konchesky's mum.
Tony Evans is the scouse journo, right? If the clause is indeed 20 million then I think we would be very stupid not to look into it.
Just bid £20m and if the clause exists, we get to speak to him.
Gordon wasn't fouled for any of the goals, he just flapped as soon as anyone was within 5 yards of him.
Gay ? Nuts ? Bonkers ?
How old are you ? It's rhetorical btm. Its almost midnight so you'd better turn off the flashlight under that Liver-bird emblazoned duvet cover and shut the laptop down before daddy gets up the stairs. Pathetic.
Gay ? Nuts ? Bonkers ?
How old are you ? It's rhetorical btm. Its almost midnight so you'd better turn off the flashlight under that Liver-bird emblazoned duvet cover and shut the laptop down before daddy gets up the stairs. Pathetic.
I did add "joking aside". Stop taking yourself so bloody seriously pal.
I don't really get the liver-bird joke.
If you can't just admit that Craig had a poor game then joking is all I've got I'm afraid, it's no use trying to reason with that level of bias.
At least you edited your own piece obviously in a scramble to preserve any integrity you had.
He claimed plenty of crosses and throw ins so I suspect just like the full back's shorts you based your opinions on the goal highlights. His arm was held down when he attempted to claim the ball that led to the first goal.
And there is no blatantly biased attempt to defend his performance - it wasn't one of his best but most appear to be ignoring the extenuating circumstances which obviously played a part and I doubt whether any other keeper would have come away in similar circumstances smelling of roses.
think man.
I watched the full game, Gordon was awful, there was never a foul, offside yes but foul no chance.
I don't want Reina either btw, but Gordon was terrible.
I edited that before your reply came through to be fair. Check the "there was no fouls" line whuch I read back and realised it was a wee bit retarded and changed to "were", hence why I went back to edit my post. I often edit posts after reading them back.
And why would I need to "save integrity"? It was pretty obvious that is was a joke no even without the "joking aside"? Or are you actually THAT serious a person?
Gordon has been slated by all quarters for his performance but pondlife from redcafe knows better?
Or...... Pondlife is such a huge fan of Gordon and has posted so much about how fantastic he is that he doesn't want to lose face?
Mmmmmmm.... think man.
If it was a joke I would have thought 'Ohhh, you cad Sharky. Ho ho ho.' or the like. But no, you even realised you'd acted a bit of a tit, hence the addition. Go on admit it since we're talking about not wanting to lose face.
It's about opinions and I've stated mine on these boards for a while now - I've no problem being proved wrong about Craig Gordon's abilities and I sincerely hope he gets the opportunity to prove it (or fail for that matter) with a bigger club than Sunderland (no disrespect intended). If that doesn't happen to be United then so be it, I suspect the club will survive without him or one of my recommendations (to you lot reading not the club obviously - that was just in case you wanted to make an associated snide remark).
More often than not I've generally been correct on my assessment of players so I see no reason to doubt my opinions on Gordon. I genuinely believe him to be a top keeper who will only get better, and I'm simply trying to tout him for united because that is where I'd like to see him keep net.
He's not playing for Rangers in the SPL or Schalke in the Bundesliga, he's been playing for Sunderland for three years in the EPL, the self-styled best, fastest, toughest league in the world, AND he's been one of the most consistent keepers with very very few mistakes allowed in that time. Ohh, and did I mention that he also has 40+ international caps.
Nahhh, I'm his mum.
It's about opinions and I've stated mine on these boards for a while now - I've no problem being proved wrong about Craig Gordon's abilities and I sincerely hope he gets the opportunity to prove it (or fail for that matter) with a bigger club than Sunderland (no disrespect intended). If that doesn't happen to be United then so be it, I suspect the club will survive without him or one of my recommendations (to you lot reading not the club obviously - that was just in case you wanted to make an associated snide remark).
More often than not I've generally been correct on my assessment of players so I see no reason to doubt my opinions on Gordon. I genuinely believe him to be a top keeper who will only get better, and I'm simply trying to tout him for united because that is where I'd like to see him keep net.
He's not playing for Rangers in the SPL or Schalke in the Bundesliga, he's been playing for Sunderland for three years in the EPL, the self-styled best, fastest, toughest league in the world, AND he's been one of the most consistent keepers with very very few mistakes allowed in that time. Ohh, and did I mention that he also has 40+ international caps.
Nahhh, I'm his mum.
So, explain to me why he never got off the ground when he attempted to jump directly up and claim the ball ? I'll tell you why, because Huth leaned into him and got his arm into Gordon's bicep (oooh errr - that's for you Sharky
) inner elbow area. If anything, Gordon's 'error' there was probably getting to the space too early so he was forced to jump directly vertical when if he had delayed slightly he's have been able to take a running jump. He's 6-3 or thereabouts so I suspect with outstretched arms he'd comfortably reach higher than any attacker - as he was doing throughout with other throw-ins and crosses.
So, explain to me why he never got off the ground when he attempted to jump directly up and claim the ball ? I'll tell you why, because Huth leaned into him and got his arm into Gordon's bicep (oooh errr - that's for you Sharky
If anything, Gordon's 'error' there was probably geting to the space to early so he was forced to jump directly vertical when if he had delayed slightly he's have been able to take a running jump. He's 6-3 or thereabouts so I suspect with outstretched arms he'd comfortably reach higher than any attacker - as he was doing throughout with other throw-ins and crosses.
So leaning into someone means they can't jump? Wow I must have been superhuman in my time playing in goal.
Never a foul, if it is then we are basically treating goalkeepers as though they are on a basketball court, which we aren't, quite rightly, there was no foul.
Silly argument, I added a line as an olive branch and which I thought summed up my thoughts.
Gordon won't be coming to United, that much I'm certain of.
Gordon might not be one for blowing his own but jeeez, you'd eat yourself if you were chocolate eh?
"joking aside"...
Weird that, I remember him being a massive flop for a while and losing his spot to erm Fullop I think? You must have that selective memory syndrome.
And this line "Ohh, and did I mention that he also has 40+ international caps", it looks as though it was intended to impress "oooh, and did I mention"... Anyway, Mehdi Rahmati has 50+ caps, whoop whoop!
Well everything else you've written is wrong so I'd hazzard a guess of "Dad".
Gordon's error was not cleaning them out and allowing himself to be bullied, leaning in is what forwards do and is totally legal, getting up early is another trick. Crouchy's goal v. Blackburn was a top example of this, even against the beast that is Chris Samba.
I found Huth's first goal funnier, can't wait for Pondlife's explaination of that quality piece of goalkeeping...
Ohh don't get me wrong, it was a clever piece of gamesmanship by Huth but don't pretend it didn't affect his ability to jump because it most obviously did.
Look the point i'm trying to make and its pretty obvious if you (and I mean the general you not specifically you) is that Gordon is a very good keeper that had a bad day at the office on Saturday BUT one cannot just put it down to simply his actions alone.
Reina is a good keeper but I really don't believe him to be a better option than Gordon - that is why i'm on here stating my case. If others don't like it or agree then they're free to say so but if its a simple case of well, he's not good enough for United then I can't take that seriously unless they can come up with alternatives and back that up with solid analysis.
I think everybody knows that it's especially difficult to compare keepers because they are so integrally linked to their fellow defenders. It therefore it basically comes down to how well each keeper maintains their concentrations - I've seen plenty of concentration losses in the past two seasons from the so-called top keepers in this league, Reina and Cech being two of them (considering the quality of the defences and the styles their teams play). Ask any Mackem how many mistakes Gordon has made in his spell with them and I'm pretty sure, given you don't get one of the many Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime they have a pretty impressive response.
He's not flashy, but he is very calm & composed - not unlike VDS tbh.
Look the point i'm trying to make and its pretty obvious if you (and I mean the general you not specifically you) is that Gordon is a very good keeper that had a bad day at the office on Saturday BUT one cannot just put it down to simply his actions alone.
Reina is a good keeper but I really don't believe him to be a better option than Gordon - that is why i'm on here stating my case. If others don't like it or agree then they're free to say so but if its a simple case of well, he's not good enough for United then I can't take that seriously unless they can come up with alternatives and back that up with solid analysis.
I think everybody knows that it's especially difficult to compare keepers because they are so integrally linked to their fellow defenders. It therefore it basically comes down to how well each keeper maintains their concentrations - I've seen plenty of concentration losses in the past two seasons from the so-called top keepers in this league, Reina and Cech being two of them (considering the quality of the defences and the styles their teams play). Ask any Mackem how many mistakes Gordon has made in his spell with them and I'm pretty sure, given you don't get one of the many Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime they have a pretty impressive response.
He's not flashy, but he is very calm & composed - not unlike VDS tbh.
There's no point in reasoning with you laddie. I frankly, can't be arsed. Good night.
BTW - this was a reply intended for phelans shorts.
But that's like saying "Don't pretend Crouch leaning into Samba didn't affect his ability to jump", because a defender/goalkeepers job is to not allow that situation to happen.
Correct! And when we lost to West Ham, Evans had a bad day at the office BUT one cannot just put it down to simply his actions alone, it's was also Carlton Cole's fault.
At the same age Reina plays for one of the top clubs in the country and has played many times in the CL, Gordon plays for Sunderland, there is a reason for that.
Roughly translated, "you've found soooooo many holes in my argument it now looks like a piece of swiss cheese".
Lovin' the condescending "laddie"
Enjoyed the debate though, always do . Don't take the joking too seriously though, I was actually proud of a few of them, sad but true
Shame you didn't answer my last post, thought I made a great few counter arguments, but.... time for bed I guess.
It's a forum, it's a reply for all
PM phelans shorts if you wanna take it private.
Roughly translated, "you've found soooooo many holes in my argument it now looks like a piece of swiss cheese".
Lovin' the condescending "laddie"
Hmmm. Check out his profile folks - it'll make sense.
Hey, Sharky ... don't go changing that on me now too.
Remember to brush those teeth.