Pepe Reina?
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van der Sar's been beaten at his near post a few times, twice last season by Torres and Drogba, by Eto'o in the Champions League Final. In the game against Liverpool at Anfield he had a big mix-up with Brown and ended up conceding an own goal to him. As for Cech, how's this for a high profile error.
Well no, he doesn't, in most seasons he doesn't make any major errors.
What I mean is that in the overwhelming majority of big games, he doesn't make any mistakes.
I assure you, it's not convenient. Cite these games where he made Liverpool drop points.
So would Cech, so would van der Sar.
It's bollocks mate, Reina's mistakes this season have cost Liverpool the same amount of points van der Sar's have, the fact they came against a stronger opponent is irrelevant, particularly as Arsenal aren't a direct competitor of Liverpool in the League.
Daft idiot. I was talking about the type of goal Barthez conceded against Real Madrid at OT. Not a near post strike that a keeper has no single chance of stopping. You clearly don't have much of a clue about goalkeeping if you believe Torres' goal was down to a goal keeping error.
The irony in that post is clearly lost on you as always.
Come on. I'm talking about the type of near post strike that a keeper has no business conceeding. Not every near post goal ever scored.
I have seen Reina beaten at his near post to a ball that should never have gone in.
He has made at last one major error every season he has been here.
Here is another example of one :
Notice the Drogba goal in that highlight package. Bad error at wrong moment.
There is no point. Unless its on you tube people on here will just deny there existence.
Again with the 'ATM' argument
Anyway, the season is not over yet is it? I fully expect Reina to drop another clanger before the season is out. This season already has 2. Since he showed up he has 2 to 3 major gaffes a season. The Argentina game and the Arsenal game are 2. He will have another. and I will be back in here to bump it when it happens to tell you I told you so.
How many times has Reina scored an own goal? It's being cited like it's a semi-regularity.
I thought van der Sar could have done better on all 3 of those goals. They weren't major clangers, but I'm not sure any of these near post gaffes you're talking about from Reina were either.
It's harsh to call that an error, the ball took a very small deflection which wrongfooted him. By your arguments earlier in the thread we should have expected him to crumble in that match, and make more mistakes, he didn't. He was beaten again several times, but there was no bad goalkeeping from him. Your boy Cech made a worse mistake in the same match (I have posted a video), he was like Bambi on ice for most of it, particular highlights are from 5:00 onwards in this.
If you are going to debate this, then please do so in good faith. I may remember the incident you cite, or if they are as 'slapstick' as you say, and indeed as costly, there will undoubtedly be references to them in match reports.
Again with the 'ATM' argument
Anyway, the season is not over yet is it? I fully expect Reina to drop another clanger before the season is out. This season already has 2. Since he showed up he has 2 to 3 major gaffes a season. The Argentina game and the Arsenal game are 2. He will have another. and I will be back in here to bump it when it happens to tell you I told you so.
'I expect it to happen' isn't much of an argument.
So in effect Reina has had a better goalkeeping career than VDS???
How do you figure that one out?
I don't think anyone has said that....
No. He just wasn't concentrating properly. That was an obvious error. At a time Liverpool were in total command. That type of lapse in concentration is why as a youngster Barca abandoned him before ironically turning to the likes of Valdes. What savs Reina is he isn't as eccentric a Barthez. But he can switch off for no reason at times and he doesn't always get punished as directly as in that video.
I remember an error he made vs Fullam ina 3-1 defeat for example..
Anyway look, before you think I'm just showing animosity towards you, you have just arrived on this topic. Whilst, I've been debating it for a while now so frankly I'm a bit tired. Tired of being told Reina doesn't make errors, that I'm making him out to be an Almunia and being accused I'm using a small sample size by pointing out his more high profile ones.
So I apologise for having very little good will left.
To be fair predictions have never been arguments.
That Torres strike vs VDS at Anfield can't possibly be a goalkeeping mistake, the canons of football state that a finish should be placed either downwards on the second post, or high up the first one, the latter being better, as no keeper in the world can save a good shot there.
Did anyone see Cech's shocker last night?
Reina's a very good goalkeeper. But it's absolutely hilarious the way now United fans come out to defend him when he's now linked to us where only a few months ago the same lot were taking the mickey out of his every mistake.
Who were they?
Seconded. Names, please.
The Everton-Andy Johnson one, the beach ball thing, the opener against Arsenal this season for a start
Can't be bothered to track back and quote all these posters
Can't be bothered to track back and quote all these posters
That wasnt his mistake, it was just funny ( and still is )
All keepers make mistakes. Obviously Liverpool keepers ones would get flagged more up on here. Reina's a top keeper and I'd love him to sign for us.
Right, so he occasionally has lapses of concentration, but he's not as bad as Barthez in that respect. I think that's pretty normal for any goalkeeper. He makes errors, but not a huge amount of them, and he makes up for them with his ability.
That wasn't even in the season you were talking about. I put it to you that you're not citing these errors before Christmas in 2008/09 because they don't exist.
Nobody, not one person, has said that Reina doesn't make errors. One person said he was like Almunia, and one person said it was a small sample size. You're hardly being slated here.
You should shut up then, instead of making stupid and baseless claims that it is 'the same lot' defending him when it patently isn't. The people who were 'taking the mickey out of his every mistake' are the people who either aren't posting or are saying we shouldn't sign him. I have said Reina is a very good player for years.
Qualifier: I think VDS, Cech and Reina are good keepers, and a few years back Cech was definitely the standout however ...
VDS just isn't getting to some shots these days ... namely the ones down low. He's still top notch in getting to those top corner ones because of his length.
Cech while he's generally never again reached the levels he did a few years back has been improving however his decision making is now questionable.
Reina (dare I say, but see him and Hart as very similar) in mine eyes has never been as great as all and sundry (bar the Chief) seem to believe. Very good reactions-based keeper but he makes plenty of mistakes/errors of judgment in coming for crosses (but has had the benefit of some excellent defenders to mask these). He's also very good with the ball in his hands. He may well be 6-2 tho I have my doubts, but he's 'not long' so he often doesn't get the ones longer keeps will, like VDS, Cech & Gordon.
If 20 mill is the price then I don't think that is value for money ... there are equally as good and better keepers in the EPL (those aforementioned and I'll throw in Friedel & Robinson on his day). United could of course afford 20 mill so that really isn't the issue .... on the face of it anyway.
VDS just isn't getting to some shots these days ... namely the ones down low. He's still top notch in getting to those top corner ones because of his length.
Cech while he's generally never again reached the levels he did a few years back has been improving however his decision making is now questionable.
Reina (dare I say, but see him and Hart as very similar) in mine eyes has never been as great as all and sundry (bar the Chief) seem to believe. Very good reactions-based keeper but he makes plenty of mistakes/errors of judgment in coming for crosses (but has had the benefit of some excellent defenders to mask these). He's also very good with the ball in his hands. He may well be 6-2 tho I have my doubts, but he's 'not long' so he often doesn't get the ones longer keeps will, like VDS, Cech & Gordon.
If 20 mill is the price then I don't think that is value for money ... there are equally as good and better keepers in the EPL (those aforementioned and I'll throw in Friedel & Robinson on his day). United could of course afford 20 mill so that really isn't the issue .... on the face of it anyway.
VDS was known in Italy as Van Papera (Van Duck) for his constant mistakes which costed Juventus the league title. He did wonderfully well with us.
Reina is an experienced and brilliant keeper whose got EPL experience. I doubt that we can get him but if there is a chance then he should get him. Id prefer him to Buffon, Neuer, Adler etc. As I said, he's got EPL experience.
Reina is an experienced and brilliant keeper whose got EPL experience. I doubt that we can get him but if there is a chance then he should get him. Id prefer him to Buffon, Neuer, Adler etc. As I said, he's got EPL experience.
Am sure you go back and look at all the keepers in their younger days and they will have made gaffs. Reina's 28 and that means just about coming into their prime for a keeper.
You would expect them to have made some mistakes, some high profile ones. But, the way Chief has tried to paint him is that he is one big high profile mistake after another. He isn't anywhere near that. As devlish pointed out even VDS was prone to them in his Juventus days but, he became better over time. Even then he still makes mistakes with us today.
For a keeper that is supposed to step into VDS shoes - there isn't a better candidate out there. I'd have Reina over even the likes of Cesar or Casillas just because of Reina is proven in this league. Bias against dippers aside - put a vote up on 2 best keepers in our league and him and VDS probably will be 1/2 in most people's votes.
You would expect them to have made some mistakes, some high profile ones. But, the way Chief has tried to paint him is that he is one big high profile mistake after another. He isn't anywhere near that. As devlish pointed out even VDS was prone to them in his Juventus days but, he became better over time. Even then he still makes mistakes with us today.
For a keeper that is supposed to step into VDS shoes - there isn't a better candidate out there. I'd have Reina over even the likes of Cesar or Casillas just because of Reina is proven in this league. Bias against dippers aside - put a vote up on 2 best keepers in our league and him and VDS probably will be 1/2 in most people's votes.
His only saving grace is he isn't as eccentric as Barthez.
They do. I just don't see point in looking for them when they are likely to be denied.
You're kidding me right? I've been accused of calling him Almunia and a calamity. On top of not rating him just because he plays for the Scousers.
Spot on.
We won't buy him.
Of course not, it's too obvious.
although he's an excellent keeper i don't think he's top top quality
the golden gloves awards had as much to do with rafa's tactics and 2 holding midfielders as they did with any goalkeeping ability
great shot stopper but i wouldnt consider buying anyone who doesnt fill me with confidence on crosses the way VDS/Big pete did
remember the nervous feeling everytime someone passed back to foster...
the golden gloves awards had as much to do with rafa's tactics and 2 holding midfielders as they did with any goalkeeping ability
great shot stopper but i wouldnt consider buying anyone who doesnt fill me with confidence on crosses the way VDS/Big pete did
remember the nervous feeling everytime someone passed back to foster...
that wouldnt be a worry considering Reina's distribution is excellent
i was trying to liken the fear factor foster gave us on backpasses to reina's dominance of his box and dealing with crosses
Ah ok, I think he has improved drastically in that regard whilst in England. I dont think a transfer will happen but some of the comments about him in this thread are laughable
Since I got a warning for that post, I probably have to elaborate on why we won't buy him.
We won't buy him because £20m for a keeper is too much when we also need a midfielder, and possibly a winger and have a restricted budget. His contract clause might not even exist in which case Liverpool will never sell to us, even if it does Reina might not be that keen on joining their biggest rivals anyway.
We won't buy him because £20m for a keeper is too much when we also need a midfielder, and possibly a winger and have a restricted budget. His contract clause might not even exist in which case Liverpool will never sell to us, even if it does Reina might not be that keen on joining their biggest rivals anyway.
bizarre thread.
The Chief is in with an epic shout for trumping Scholesy as dumbest poster on the caf with this one.
The Chief is in with an epic shout for trumping Scholesy as dumbest poster on the caf with this one.
Still true
Indeed. Beyond all the razza-ma-tazz he's simply a good keeper.
The last set of accounts say otherwise.
Bryan_Munich Bryan Munich
@TonyEvansTimes Can you confirm 100% that a release clause in Reina's contract definitely exists? Thanks
TonyEvansTimes Tony Evans
@Bryan_Munich It exists
Bryan_Munich Bryan Munich
@TonyEvansTimes Thanks for that. Do we know how much?
TonyEvansTimes Tony Evans
@Bryan_Munich 20m
Yes
In your dreams. You are about to trump Schoelsy by openly attmepting to support anyone in here who thinks Reina is in the league of keepers like Van Der sar and Cassilas.
Agree that they would never sell to us- but I think Fergie loves the fact that he has never done business with them and I dont think he would change that for one second.
They won't have a choice.
Why is everyone so confident that this breakout clause exists? Other than because of Tony Barrett and Tony Evans from the Times? They could easily be wrong about this.