Wait, even after last night some people are still comparing Pep and Fergie?
'Pep' Guardiola sack watch
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You could say that yes, although I’m not sure City have the best squad in Europe, I still think Bayern’s is pretty good. You could also say that Fergie didn’t win it for almost a decade after 99, losing to teams like Lille and Leverkusen. In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter that much where legacy is concerned.
Ballbag's completely lost it.
Well they had it at least once in last 5 years, if not couple of times.
These are the kind of ‘black marks’ that people talk about in the moment but forget about when the entire career is considered. And rightly so. Every manager, no matter how great, has bad results and failures.
Delusional man.
Because he's never taken on a serious challenge. We were rebuilding when we were knocked out in the groups. When has Pep ever had to do that?
I'm sure some of Pep's acolytes will claim how he took on the "challenge" to rebuild Barcelona in 2008.
I fecking love it. The baldie's press agent cannot deal with the failure.
I think it’s perfectly ok to say that he got it wrong on the night and made major mistakes with selection. Sometimes pragmatism is called for.
That's some meltdown alright.
Imagine coming to RedCafe on the morning after Pep's hilarious failure to try and convince everyone he was better than Fergie. Have a fecking word with yourself
I know he's just trying to support is his mate (which should tell you plenty about the media really works) but if Mahrez's rather speculative volley goes in that would City's first shot on target in almost 90 minutes, and their second in a champions league final.
So realistically, people should still be talking about how Pep's strategy was still terrible, regardless of result.
I've been hammered on here for saying it multiple times, but for me Pep's tactics are cowardly. It's entirely about minimising risks, rather than trying to succeed. Last night was another example. It's not hard to have your wingers pass it back to the centre backs via a couple one-twos - most teams can do that. They just choose not to, because wingers should be looking to create chances, not keep possession.
City's best chance last night - not for the first time this season - came from a long clearance by the goalkeeper. When things got really going in the 85th on, Kyle Walker became a quarter back and they started lumping the ball into the box like everyone else. City have the best squad in the world, they really should be freed up - even in big matches - to go for it, instead of always making the safe choice.
So realistically, people should still be talking about how Pep's strategy was still terrible, regardless of result.
I've been hammered on here for saying it multiple times, but for me Pep's tactics are cowardly. It's entirely about minimising risks, rather than trying to succeed. Last night was another example. It's not hard to have your wingers pass it back to the centre backs via a couple one-twos - most teams can do that. They just choose not to, because wingers should be looking to create chances, not keep possession.
City's best chance last night - not for the first time this season - came from a long clearance by the goalkeeper. When things got really going in the 85th on, Kyle Walker became a quarter back and they started lumping the ball into the box like everyone else. City have the best squad in the world, they really should be freed up - even in big matches - to go for it, instead of always making the safe choice.
Pep's fans can't handle it
He's been handed everything in his career. He's great don't get me wrong but to compare him to SAF is ridiculous. Sir Alex built United from the ground up and won a European trophy with Aberdeen. Their careers couldn't be any more different.
Jesus, is he 14? The state of this.
I’m a big Pep fan but I think he was simply the right man at the right time at Barca 09-11. He’s a good coach with a nice philosophy but he’s not the GOAT because of his failures outside of Spain.
Facts are facts my friendImagine coming to RedCafe on the morning after Pep's hilarious failure to try and convince everyone he was better than Fergie. Have a fecking word with yourself
or is this place just an echo chamber?If it was there wouldn’t be so many fans from rival / other teams being allowed here to post more or less whatever they want.Facts are facts my friend
If you want to know what an echo chamber is then join a forum of any other club.
FactsFacts are facts my friend
Funny everyone seems to forget what Sir Alex did in Scotland (and Europe) with Aberdeen..
Meh. The "Pep Guardiola is my idol" memes are really funny now and all. But if he stayed another 20 years at City while doing what he does now, racking up most of the domestic titles and eventually winning a CL final or two at some point in the next 2 decades, he would be pretty much City's SAF. 3/5 league titles in dominant fashion and 1 CL final in 5 years is still a huge success for a club of City's size. Tuchel himself lost a CL final and got sacked less than 12 months ago, now he's the dog's bollocks.
No doubt Pep failing yet again in the CL is hilarious though.
No doubt Pep failing yet again in the CL is hilarious though.
He’s not their SAF because he took over a good team.
Always find it funny when oppo’s come here claiming it’s a great place to discuss football then proceed to spout utter shite while they’re here. Bluemoon’s thataway buddy ->Facts are facts my friend
I found it funny that a factual statement triggered so many people, and that same factual statement is an utter shite to these same people because it doesn’t suit their group think and echo chambering.
Just because this is RedCafe, not Bluemoon or RAWK, just because Pep screwed up yesterday, doesn’t change the fact that SAF did not get out of the group stages in the UCL once in his career.
Just because you folks here did not like it, doesn’t mean it did not happen. Don’t be ostriches.
I'd say Fergie would have won 3 Champions leagues with that Barca team. Would have won 2 with Bayern and would have won at least 1 with this squad.
Nobody has ever managed such talented squads consecutively.
This place is an echo chamber. A large segment of know it all "top reds" that can't see another manager could be great or better than ferguson. No slight against him but that's entirely possible and highly likely if Pep manages another 20 years. That won't stop from goal posts being constantly shifted here though.Facts are facts my friend
These Pep obsessives are a strange bunch aren't they.
I think you could pretty much replace Pep with Ferguson and it would still be true.
Ballbag in full meltdown.
He must have had a similar one when his mate Poch didn't win the French league as well.
Why do you come on here then? Seriously. What's the attraction.
I'm not sure there's any other manager in world football who could win three PL titles in four years (having already won three Bundesliga titles in three years) and still be criticised for "failures outside of Spain". Even in the context of comparing him to the greatests of all time, that's an insane way to frame what has been a ludicrously successful career as a manager.
If that's the standard for "failures" then literally every manager in the history of football has awful failures in their career, no doubt starting with SAF and his inability to win more than two CLs in 26 years while lesser managers racked up as many or more in shorter periods of time. You can disqualify pretty much anybody by focusing in on the flaws in their CV.
Tell a lot about us if we lost the League Title to a team with "no fight in them", I'm afraid.
It's us who constantly shows we have "no fight" by bottling all these chances at silverware.
You see, Pep obsessives say things like this.
I don't spend all day here, probably sum total of 30 mins a day. I love united and would like to be where you can have an open minded discussion. Loving fergie and united doesn't preclude me from admiring others.
Come on, even my granny could win titles with those Bayern and City teams (and she's been dead 30 years). He's just waltzed in to whichever club has by far the best players at the tim e.
And most of it defending your hero Pep. Quality