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orangeboom999 said:
Anyone else thing the delay in the Pedro deal could be because were using him as a back up and were trying for someone else? A marquee name? I don't see that there would be any other reason for a delay. Seasons fast approaching so would be better to get him bedded in asap rather than delay.
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Everyone thought that was the case with Schneiderlin, that the delay was because he was simply a back up.

Doubt it's the case with Pedro either. Regardless of whose name tops LVG's shortlist I think he'd want Pedro in if we can get him. There aren't many wingers out there with similar experience who would completely understand the sort of system LVG would want them to play in right off the bat.

That failure to understand has already seen off Di Maria and limited Januzaj's chances.
 
Seveneric said:
What's happening with this? All around the forum I've seen seeing people inserting him in formations and in the Di Maria thread, you have people saying stuff like "once Pedro is here", yet I can't find anything that looks remotely concrete about the transfer being done or close to being done? :confused:
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Welcome to the muppets world.
 
He is great at making runs in behind because he times them to perfection. Our players don't do that often enough, at least for the last few season I have noticed and its frustrating. With the vision and passing ability Carrick and now schweinsteiger possess we should be looking to get in behind on more occasions. With the way we dominate possession teams tend to sit deep against us so it does make opportunities to do so more difficult. The good thing is Pedro makes very intelligent runs so I think he can be a big weapon for us.

He isn't afraid to shoot from distance and I love that in a player, with him and Memphis lets hope we get to cheer some nice long distance goals.



orangeboom999 said:
Anyone else thing the delay in the Pedro deal could be because were using him as a back up and were trying for someone else? A marquee name? I don't see that there would be any other reason for a delay. Seasons fast approaching so would be better to get him bedded in asap rather than delay.
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I thought that too, you would think why would we leave it so long and with the season so soon upon us. I would love Pedro and a marquee signing, greedy me.
 
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orangeboom999 said:
Anyone else thing the delay in the Pedro deal could be because were using him as a back up and were trying for someone else? A marquee name? I don't see that there would be any other reason for a delay. Seasons fast approaching so would be better to get him bedded in asap rather than delay.
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imagine if we're not actually after him at all.
 
hobbers said:
Between Schwein, Herrera, Mata and Carrick we'll be fine.

Part of the problem we've had over the last 2-3 seasons is we have nobody making those runs. RVP lacked the pace so tended to come short, Rooney spent most of the time in midfield and Hernandez was packed off to Real.
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Herrera won't probably start much games at the beginning, Mata is just too shy to make those passes even if they're on, Carrick can make these passes but often he's closer to the CBs and it's not easy to do a defence splitting one from over there. Hopefully Bastian will bring some new freshness to the passing.

bosnian_red said:
Memphis, Herrera, Mata, Carrick, Schweinsteiger are all more then capable of picking out passes, they're all creative players (though Mata hasn't shown it enough). You could argue though that we haven't had anyone making these sorts of runs for a while. No pace in our front players for the most part. Di Maria can pick a through pass as good as anyone, but he didn't do it that often last season because all he had to aim for was RvP and Falcao. No pace up front. All creative players look better when they have quick players making intelligent runs in behind so they can actually give them through passes. We'll see a lot more of it with Pedro and Memphis compared to last season. Not to the same extent as Barca of course, but we should still see a big improvement.
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Hopefully yes but then again it would depend on LVG encouraging his players to take risks. Even with the very slow RVP/Falcao making runs, we weren't seeing enough attempts to find them.
 
Lewis.no.9 said:
who would it be though?. Bale seems totally un-gettable this season.
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why does it have to be anyone?

We have Mata,Depay, Young, Fellaini, Herrera , currently Januzaj, Rooney deep if Hernandez starts etc, Wilson if Rooney's deep etc.

whether there's enough quality is one question, but there's enough bodies there.
 
Sandikan said:
why does it have to be anyone?

We have Mata,Depay, Young, Fellaini, Herrera , currently Januzaj, Rooney deep if Hernandez starts etc, Wilson if Rooney's deep etc.

whether there's enough quality is one question, but there's enough bodies there.
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Well we have let go of Van Persie, Falcao, Di maria and Nani and freed up £800,000 wages. I would think the club will want to get some stars in before the window shuts tbh.
 
Everest Red said:
Pedro is good and all but I could make a decent compilation of Valencia's left footed attempts. Don't trust YT.
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Generally one shouldn't trust Youtube, true. And yes you probably could find a few decent crosses from Valencia with his weak foot but you would see his hesitation to do so and that he doesn't feel comfortable doing it. With Pedro - like I said - you can tell that he just doesn't care which foot he has to use, he just takes the one that suits the situation.
 
Kasper said:
Generally one shouldn't trust Youtube, true. And yes you probably could find a few decent crosses from Valencia with his weak foot but you would see his hesitation to do so and that he doesn't feel comfortable doing it. With Pedro - like I said - you can tell that he just doesn't care which foot he has to use, he just takes the one that suits the situation.
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If he's as two-footed as you guys say he'll just suit LVilosophy too a tee.
 
Sandikan said:
whether there's enough quality is one question, but there's enough bodies there.
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Well if it's a question I guess it does need addressing.

But I know what you mean - while part of me would love us to sign two of Pedro, Bale and Kane, because then we'd unquestionably have a ridiculous array of attacking talent, I can't help but also feel we'd kind of have too much talent left struggling to get a game. Even without signing another player, it's tricky to see Mata and Herrera both starting often, and they are both players I want to see playing for us every week.
 
I wouldn't worry about any delay I wouldn't even say there has been one. This was never going to happen unless we sold Di Maria we would be foolish to agree a deal before things are done. I'd imagine given the player wants to go, Barca are willing to let him leave and we clearly want him it will happen pretty quick.
 
MarkC said:
I wouldn't worry about any delay I wouldn't even say there has been one. This was never going to happen unless we sold Di Maria we would be foolish to agree a deal before things are done. I'd imagine given the player wants to go, Barca are willing to let him leave and we clearly want him it will happen pretty quick.
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but they've been talking about this deal for weeks and weeks already. I'd call that a fair delay
 
Sandikan said:
but they've been talking about this deal for weeks and weeks already. I'd call that a fair delay
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Its been a little over 3 weeks since the first rumours surfaced. Thats nothing compared to some of the sagas we've been through down the years!
 
Great signing when it happens. Pedro off the ball movement is great. Hopefully we'll see Herrera and Mata threading passes through.

As long as we play a forward thinking progressive midfield I could see Pedro being our top goal scorer this season.
 
Everest Red said:
If he's as two-footed as you guys say he'll just suit LVilosophy too a tee.
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FIFA had him down as left footed for many years, and some still believe he is left footed. (Definitely right though). 1 of the most 2 footed players I've seen.
 
Why would we postpone the transfer? Duncan castles tweet. Is there a new target?. Or is he still clueless?
 
Lewis.no.9 said:
Why would we postpone the transfer? Duncan castles tweet. Is there a new target?. Or is he still clueless?
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Can't say with absolute certainty but I'd estimate the possibilities at somewhere around;

0.01%: We postponed the transfer whilst we explore another target
99.99%: The bald, no talent click baiting twat-face has invented this story

Like I said, I can't be sure though.
 
ForeverFergie said:
I think Ramos would struggle in the PL, and again I don't think he would be moving for the right reasons, he's already a first team player on one of the best teams in the world. Him moving to United would only be to appease the wishes of his father or for the monetary aspect of the move. And in all likelihood Madrid would be willing to match any contract United offer/offered to Ramos.
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Personally I think that if Ramos wanted to come here for the right reasons he would make a sincere boost to our defence.

The reasons doesn't seem to be right though so I think we should stay out of it. The di Maria fiasco should be avoided in the future.

Manchester United is not a club for players angry at their present club which they yet perceive bigger than Manchester United.
 
Wait hold up he's 5'5 and 64kg?!

Better hope to feck he'll be quick enough and as good a finisher as he was in La Liga then.
 
I like the fact that the rumoured fee has gone down from £30m which was too much to £18m which is a complete bargain for a player of his ability. Not that it is very important because we can still afford it either way but at around £20m it will look like a very shrewd buy. At 28 we could easily get 3-4 good seasons from Pedro.
 
Sarni said:
I like the fact that the rumoured fee has gone down from £30m which was too much to £18m which is a complete bargain for a player of his ability. Not that it is very important because we can still afford it either way but at around £20m it will look like a very shrewd buy. At 28 we could easily get 3-4 good seasons from Pedro.
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It was never £30m, some idiots used pounds instead of euros. Like the BBC keeps saying Depay was £31m when it was actually €27m + €4m in bonuses.
 
That YouTube video on the previous page has made me erect. Someone please post some more videos!
 
He's such an assured finisher. Playing a 3 of Memphis, Mata and Pedro behind Rooney will result in goals. Plenty of them.
 
devilish said:
I think we're taking this Pedro 'reserve' thing a bit too much TBH. There were cases when a club allowed itself to be dragged into full football manager mode and ended buying players who were close/slightly better to what they already have. AC Milan did that when they bought Roberto Baggio when they already had Dejan Savicevic. Manchester United committed the same mistake by buying JSV when they already had Paul Scholes and I feel Barcelona had been committing the same mistake with Pedro. Usually this end up in misery with either one of the players leaving on peanuts. I am a firm believer of having quality strength in depth but people like Pedro, Scholes or JSV are impossible to keep on the bench for long.

Another common mistake usually made is to bring a player mainly because of his talent and reputation. JSV and Di Maria are classic examples of such mistake, although I can mention other players as well like for example Berbatov. One player, irrespective of how good he is, will not be able to change an entire system.

In my opinion Pedro is the classic example of a prophet not recognised in his own country. In terms of stats he's got similar stats to ADM which is quite amazing considering that he had spent the last few years competing for a first team role with the likes of Messi, Neymar, Sanchez and Suarez. Also he seem to be more suited to our game than ADM.
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United bought JSV to help us in Europe, not to replace Scholes.
Barca aren't committing any mistakes, they won the treble last season.

I would agree that a player of his quality won't be happy sitting on the bench too long, and hence Pedro is looking for a move (or at least what we have been made to believe). I have never said that there is an issue with his signing.

Coming to the second paragraph of your post, because a couple of high profile signings failed to shine, it doesn't mean that we should stop looking for them. We also bought VP and he worked like a treat for us in Fergie's last season. Barcelona failed with Zlatan, Cesc and Sanchez but won the treble with goals from Neymar and Suarez. Not saying that one player would change the entire system or single-handedly win us titles, but top players do help you to get closer. You need that special quality to help you, or bail you out, at times. Pedro as good as he is, and as well as he would fit in the "system", isn't that player. Again not saying that we should pass on him because of that, just that the addition of Pedro will still leave that gap in the squad. We could close that, e.g. with Pedro plus Lewandoski, or some other top striker. Or a Bale or a Ronaldo can help close that gap.

I think the 'prophet' is as widely recognized as he should. The thing with stats is that you can have as much fun with them as you want. Someone would look at them as 100 goals in 300 odd appearances, someone else could look at them and say that nearly half of them were scored in two consecutive seasons, the last of which was four years ago. They are useful in a way, but nothing like the opinion you could form after watching a player.

I think he would score more goals than di Maria, as he is more of a wide forward. Though he only partially solves the creativity issue, which was one of our major concerns last season.
 
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Knowing our luck we will be giving him a fair well game against Sevilla on Tuesday so he can win another trophy, only for him to get injured or something. It could be the player himself asking United to wait until after the game before making it all official as he would like a proper send off, hope he doesn't get injured. The game on Tuesday is another way of improving match fitness and when he comes he can concentrate on tactics and the philosophy.
 
Insanity said:
United bought JSV to help us in Europe, not to replace Scholes.
Barca aren't committing any mistakes, they won the treble last season.

I would agree that a player of his quality won't be happy sitting on the bench too long, and hence Pedro is looking for a move (or at least what we have been made to believe). I have never said that there is an issue with his signing.

Coming to the second paragraph of your post, because a couple of high profile signings failed to shine, it doesn't mean that we should stop looking for them. We also bought VP and he worked like a treat for us in Fergie's last season. Barcelona failed with Zlatan, Cesc and Sanchez but won the treble with goals from Neymar and Suarez. Not saying that one player would change the entire system or single-handedly win us titles, but top players do help you to get closer. You need that special quality to help you or bail you out at times. Pedro as good as he is, and as well as he would fit in the "system", isn't that player. Again not saying that we should pass on him because of that, just that the addition of Pedro will still leave that gap in the squad. We could close that, e.g. with Pedro plus Lewandoski, or some other top striker. Or a Bale or Ronaldo can help close that gap.

I think the 'prophet' is as widely recognized as he should. The thing with stats is that you can have as much fun with them as you want. Someone would look at them as 100 goals in 300 odd appearances, someone else could look at them and say that nearly half of them were scored in two seasons, the last of which was four years ago. They are useful in a way, but nothing like the opinion you could form after watching a player.

I think he would score more goals than di Maria, as he is more of a wide forward. Though he only partially solves the creativity issue, which was one of our major concerns last season.
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JSV was brought to give United 'a continental approach which was missing in the team'. He wasn't meant to 'replace' Scholes as the idea was to move Paul in a no 10 role (ie behind the striker in a 4-4-1-1 system). However considering that Scholes had settled well in CM and was a first teamer with both the club and the international squad you can equally say that it wasn't a vote of confidence either.

I agree completely with your second paragraph. However my argument is somehow different to the point you have made. My argument is that no matter how good a player is, he will not do well in a squad, unless he's got the necessary skill set to do well in it. Take JSV and ADM as an example. They were/are both exceptional players however they are used to a different football style were the work rate and the tackling is done by others. I remember JSV being absolutely appalled that in Britain a regista would have to go deep and tackle. It was inconceivable for him to do so (like a goalkeeper asked to score from freekicks or a center back asked to give corner kicks). Roberto Baggio was one of my favourite players as a youngster and he was probably the most intelligent player I've ever seen. However he had failed in a system which consisted of playing two no 10s upfront.

To conclude Pedro may not have the same talent or name as ADM but he's certainly more suitable to our style than him.
 
devilish said:
JSV was brought to give United 'a continental approach which was missing in the team'. He wasn't meant to 'replace' Scholes as the idea was to move Paul in a no 10 role (ie behind the striker in a 4-4-1-1 system). However considering that Scholes had settled well in CM and was a first teamer with both the club and the international squad you can equally say that it wasn't a vote of confidence either.
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Why wasn't it? Scholes played a lot of his early career at 10. Fergie's plan wasn't to replace him and put him out of the side, it was as you said, to give United a more continental approach. He still would have been a first teamer for both club and country. Would have scored a lot of goals too if it had worked out.

I agree completely with your second paragraph. However my argument is somehow different to the point you have made. My argument is that no matter how good a player is, he will not do well in a squad, unless he's got the necessary skill set to do well in it. Take JSV and ADM as an example. They were/are both exceptional players however they are used to a different football style were the work rate and the tackling is done by others. I remember JSV being absolutely appalled that in Britain a regista would have to go deep and tackle. It was inconceivable for him to do so (like a goalkeeper asked to score from freekicks or a center back asked to give corner kicks). Roberto Baggio was one of my favourite players as a youngster and he was probably the most intelligent player I've ever seen. However he had failed in a system which consisted of playing two no 10s upfront.
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I don't buy that di Maria didn't have the necessary skills to succeed in this fabled "system". In fact, in one his recent interviews, the manager mentioned that he would like for him to stay as he needs his pace and creativity. There is a lot of reinvention of the wheel going on here since the reports of him going "AWOL" first surfaced, but no one has ever before questioned di Maria's tackling and work rate. In fact, those were some of his stand out attributes at Benfica, Real and for Argentina. His inability to fit the "system" is not the only reason it didn't work out here; there were a host of other factors, which I would prefer not going into again.

To conclude Pedro may not have the same talent or name as ADM but he's certainly more suitable to our style than him.
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He is a wide forward, so he could work well as one of three on either the left or the right. I am curious to see if we are able to create enough for him to make him and us succeed.
 
Insanity said:
Why wasn't it? Scholes played a lot of his early career at 10. Fergie's plan wasn't to replace him and put him out of the side, it was as you said, to give United a more continental approach. He still would have been a first teamer for both club and country. Would have scored a lot of goals too if it had worked out.



I don't buy that di Maria didn't have the necessary skills to succeed in this fabled "system". In fact, in one his recent interviews, the manager mentioned that he would like for him to stay as he needs his pace and creativity. There is a lot of reinvention of the wheel going on here since the reports of him going "AWOL" first surfaced, but no one has ever before questioned di Maria's tackling and work rate. In fact, those were some of his stand out attributes at Benfica, Real and for Argentina. His inability to fit the "system" is not the only reason it didn't work out here; there were a host of other factors, which I would prefer not going into again.



He is a wide forward, so he could work well as one of three on either the left or the right. I am curious to see if we are able to create enough for him to make him and us succeed.
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a- Scholes started his career as a forward however he was moved in CM at quite a young age. By the time JSV was signed he was an established CM and a regular first teamer with both England and an extremely successful Man United. You don't do that to an established midfielder at least not in the prime of his years. Having said that while the experiment backfired spectacularly its undeniable also that some positives did came out of it. Paul Scholes came out of that experience more mature and open to different football styles, an experience which in my opinion shaped him into becoming the most effective midfielder of his generation while the football world as a whole finally fully acknowledged what a great player he was. Hence why I am in favor of some healthy competition although not to the levels we experienced back then (ie two world class players competing for the same role)

b/c - I don't think that ADM had the right attitude for Manchester United. He lacked fighting spirit which seemed to be absolutely necessary to succeed in our midfield. TBF the EPL is probably the most challenging in the world. Its played at incredibly high tempo, its pretty physical and there's little time for recovery. I sometimes wonder how the hell Ryan Giggs was able to play in it till age 40. Also there's this mentality that if the ball doesn't reach the regista than the regista must go deep to win it. If the team struggles to score than he must go forward and try to score. That's something South American registas tend to struggle with.
 
devilish said:
Also there's this mentality that if the ball doesn't reach the regista than the regista must go deep to win it. If the team struggles to score than he must go forward and try to score. That's something South American registas tend to struggle with.
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I don't think this describes van Gaal's tactics at United last season at all. It's a constantly repeated cliche that's far from the reality at most English top teams, certainly not true for Arsenal, City or United under van Gaal. And I don't think it's true for Chelsea either.
 
Balu said:
I don't think this describes van Gaal's tactics at United last season at all. It's a constantly repeated cliche that's far from the reality at most English top teams, certainly not true for Arsenal, City or United under van Gaal. And I don't think it's true for Chelsea either.
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I am referring to how certain nations (including Argentina and Italy) perceive the role of regista. LVG has nothing to do with it at all
 
Sarni said:
I like the fact that the rumoured fee has gone down from £30m which was too much to £18m which is a complete bargain for a player of his ability. Not that it is very important because we can still afford it either way but at around £20m it will look like a very shrewd buy. At 28 we could easily get 3-4 good seasons from Pedro.
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Think it was 30 mln euro but as per usual English rags got it all wrong as sterling in no way differs from euro to them. Iirc it translated to around 22 mln quid at first.
 
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