Pedro | Agreed terms with Chelsea

where will Pedro go?

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granted de gea stays and we sign pedro,

-----------------------de gea----------------------
darmian-----smalling---------jones--------shaw
------------------------carrick-------------------
-------------herrera--------------schneiderlin---
---pedro--------------rooney----------memphis---

-----------------------romero----------------------
valencia------evans------------rojo---------blind
-------------------schweinsteiger-------------
--------------mata-------------fellaini----------
---januzaj-----------hernandez----------young--

plus: blackett, mcnair, pereira, wilson

will be able to challenge for trophies on all fronts imo. maybe a bit lacking at the back but could be strengthening the midfield means extra protection for the back 4, thus no major reinforcement is needed there.

addition of pedro means more pace and goals upfront, which is great.
 
PedroMendez said:
Pedro is a good signing because he matches the tactics and we are lacking a wide player. He is a scorer, not a creative player; if the team gels, he´ll be great, but he won´t make the difference, if the team struggles to create chances.
I´d expect him to replace Mata as right winger and he would be an upgrade. Overall I am not too excited, but the transfer makes sense.
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Agreed. I really want one attacker who can make me stand up and watching in awe. Pedro is functional as he won't make you say "fecking Hell!!" too often. He's definitely an upgrade on the wing, but really want someone in Hazard or Sanchez class, or even Sterling.
 
NecssryEvil said:
This is where my questions lie, will LVG be up to starting the 3 of them or is one of them always going to be sitting at the start? If he does go that way, who will sit among Carrick, Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger? Hopefully injuries will not dictate lineups as much as last year and we will get a good idea of what LVG wants to do tactics wise. Personally I was looking forward to seeing more of Mata & Herrera but adding Pedro will probably mean one of those three is sitting every game. Might get glimpses though! :drool:
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It is possible that all 3 of them may start together by LVG, from what we have seen so far:

Schweinsteiger Herrera
Mata Depay Pedro
Rooney​
 
Isotope said:
Agreed. I really want one attacker who can make me stand up and watching in awe. Pedro is functional as he won't make you say "fecking Hell!!" too often. He's definitely an upgrade on the wing, but really want someone in Hazard or Sanchez class, or even Sterling.
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We got Depay who is still not in same class of Hazard or Sanchez but certainly better than Sterling imo.
 
PedroMendez said:
Pedro is a good signing because he matches the tactics and we are lacking a wide player. He is a scorer, not a creative player; if the team gels, he´ll be great, but he won´t make the difference, if the team struggles to create chances.
I´d expect him to replace Mata as right winger and he would be an upgrade. Overall I am not too excited, but the transfer makes sense.
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You gotta be jokin me coming out with that nonsense - have you actually seen him play?

Pedro is the complete all-round forward player - not to mention one of the most unselfish hard-working players i've ever seen in a highly successful team :wenger:

 
amolbhatia50k said:
That's far too much. That was more around Di Maria's worth when we overpaid for him.
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His value should be a helluva lot more than what we're allegedly willing to pay for him though Amol.

Going by Di Maria's past season - Pedro pisses all over him - even after his season of being a bit-part player for the majority of it. We'll be getting ourselves a massive upgrade if a deal can be done..

I dont think United fans will truly appreciate how good this fella is - until he dons our shirt & lights up OT :devil:
 
Red Hand Devil said:
His value should be a helluva lot more than what we're allegedly willing to pay for him though Amol.

Going by Di Maria's past season - Pedro pisses all over him - even after his season of being a bit-part player for the majority of it. We'll be getting ourselves a massive upgrade if a deal can be done..

I dont think United fans will truly appreciate how good this fella is - until he dons our shirt & lights up OT :devil:
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More than 40 million pounds, though? I'd expect a top top player for that much.

Going by Di Maria's last season is in itself wrong. It was his worst season where he faced a lot of issues. It was an aberration in his career so far. If we are selective, and decide to pick 13-14 instead, then Di Maria is on a whole level altogether. Taking their overall performances into consideration, I do think Di Maria is capable of a higher level, so I'd value him higher. Pedro as I've always maintained is far better than people here think. However, he isn't individually that outstanding and I think we lack that.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
His value should be a helluva lot more than what we're allegedly willing to pay for him though Amol.

Going by Di Maria's past season - Pedro pisses all over him - even after his season of being a bit-part player for the majority of it. We'll be getting ourselves a massive upgrade if a deal can be done..

I dont think United fans will truly appreciate how good this fella is - until he dons our shirt & lights up OT :devil:
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I've said that several times, he is a bargain at €30m
 
The last time I watch football, goal win games. And Pedro scores a shit ton of them as a winger, so I have no idea why people are saying that he is no match winner. It's not as if he only scores the 3-0, 4-0 goals as well, he scores in a lot of important games.

And Pedro had been the better player than Di Maria ever since he broke through. Di Maria might have that 6 months in which he was in immaculate form, but other than that he is not even so much more "talented" that most people here claims.
 
Mani said:
We got Depay who is still not in same class of Hazard or Sanchez but certainly better than Sterling imo.
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Sterling in England shirt piss over Depay's in terms of vision and excitement. I'd take Sterling any day of the week if we had option on both.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
More than 40 million pounds, though? I'd expect a top top player for that much.

Going by Di Maria's last season is in itself wrong. It was his worst season where he faced a lot of issues. It was an aberration in his career so far. If we are selective, and decide to pick 13-14 instead, then Di Maria is on a whole level altogether. Taking their overall performances into consideration, I do think Di Maria is capable of a higher level, so I'd value him higher. Pedro as I've always maintained is far better than people here think. However, he isn't individually that outstanding and I think we lack that.
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Not saying Pedro's worth £40m+, but Kane's ridiculously valued atleast £40m+ & he's only had one good season & who know's what kind of 2nd season he's gonna have too?!

So, in that regard - Pedro's valuation should be alot more than it is currently; as he's just turned 28 at the end of July & has been a major cog in the Barca machine for f*ck know's how many years & has been a consistent top performer too.

I really cant entertain any thoughts of how good Di Maria was before he joined us - what's the point going down that road man?!

Plus, all these excuses folk use, to justify his shite 2/3's of the season is wearing thin - actually its worn down to the bone at this stage.

Di Maria & that wanker Mendes, engineered a move to PSG & that was probably all part of the plan when he signed for us. We werent his 1st choice - PSG were & in my opinion - Di Maria had been deliberately playin his way out of the club.

From some of the photo's / captions, of when Di Maria was shite again or was subbed - the look on LvG's face was one of disgust, so maybe he thinks the same as i do..
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Not saying Pedro's worth £40m+, but Kane's ridiculously valued atleast £40m+ & he's only had one good season & who know's what kind of 2nd season he's gonna have too?!

So, in that regard - Pedro's valuation should be alot more than it is currently; as he's just turned 28 at the end of July & has been a major cog in the Barca machine for f*ck know's how many years & has been a consistent top performer too.

I really cant entertain any thoughts of how good Di Maria was before he joined us - what's the point going down that road man?!

Plus, all these excuses folk use, to justify his shite 2/3's of the season is wearing thin - actually its worn down to the bone at this stage.

Di Maria & that wanker Mendes, engineered a move to PSG & that was probably all part of the plan when he signed for us. We werent his 1st choice - PSG were & in my opinion - Di Maria had been deliberately playin his way out of the club.

From some of the photo's / captions, of when Di Maria was shite again or was subbed - the look on LvG's face was one of disgust, so maybe he thinks the same as i do..
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There's no excuses in my post. Di Maria has been terrific player so far, who has had a poor year. If we put the dislike aside then I think that's a fair assessment of the player. This season is a blot against him but in that same vein I suppose Pedro at times being a squad player at barca over the last few years is too. His importance has diminished there over time, even before Neymar's arrival. I think it began when Sanchez and Fabregas went there.

Either way, I don't believe Kane at 40 million is a proper valuation either. He's loaded with the "next English hope" hype bundled into his price. For less than 40 million, arsenal signed Sanchez, and Chelsea signed Fabregas and Costa.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
There's no excuses in my post. Di Maria has been terrific player so far, who has had a poor year. If we put the dislike aside then I think that's a fair assessment of the player. This season is a blot against him but in that same vein I suppose Pedro at times being a squad player at barca over the last few years is too. His importance has diminished there over time, even before Neymar's arrival. I think it began when Sanchez and Fabregas went there.

Either way, I don't believe Kane at 40 million is a proper valuation either. He's loaded with the "next English hope" hype bundled into his price. For less than 40 million, arsenal signed Sanchez, and Chelsea signed Fabregas and Costa.
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More like a good player, who had a terrific year. Followed by a poor one.

People keep insisting last season was an aberration when all the evidence points towards his final season at Madrid (final 6 months, really) being the real outlier.
 
Getsme said:
I've said that several times, he is a bargain at €30m
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An absolute bargain Gets & if he signs - we'll be gettin an electric footballer that will have us on the edge of our seats & plenty of goals too. I rate that lad very highly & only if he signs, then folk on here will finally realise how good he actually is. He's the real deal..

dasty said:
The last time I watch football, goal win games. And Pedro scores a shit ton of them as a winger, so I have no idea why people are saying that he is no match winner. It's not as if he only scores the 3-0, 4-0 goals as well, he scores in a lot of important games.

And Pedro had been the better player than Di Maria ever since he broke through. Di Maria might have that 6 months in which he was in immaculate form, but other than that he is not even so much more "talented" that most people here claims.
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Great point Dast.

If you compare the ages of both players - Di Maria is 27 years old (28 in Feb) & Pedro is just turned 28 at the end of last month & then compare who's had the better career between them - then Pedro pisses all over Di Maria.

Di Maria has had a season or 2 of being good & only one of those being great; but Pedro's has consistently been quality since 2008.

I know i might sound like the gilted groom at the alter (which is fair criticism, but innacurate somewhat, but i do hate the prick wholeheartedly), but if we get Pedro - we'll be gettin an outstanding seasoned footballer & with Di Maria - we got a player who had his best season previously, but was regularly booed throughout that season by his own fans for shite performances - nothing new there i supposes, but hey..

Gotta face the obvious imo; that his heart was never in it in the 1st place coming to United & was most likely engineering a way out with Mendes to PSG (his preferred club last summer according to all reports), as soon as he signed for us too..
 
Pogue Mahone said:
More like a good player, who had a terrific year. Followed by a poor one.

People keep insisting last season was an aberration when all the evidence points towards his final season at Madrid (final 6 months, really) being the real outlier.
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He's still been an excellent/very good (semantics eh) player regardless of going up a notch in his final season at Madrid or poor with us. A good player is someone like Valencia, or Blind.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He's still been an excellent/very good (semantics eh) player regardless of going up a notch in his final season at Madrid or poor with us. A good player is someone like Valencia, or Blind.
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Pedro's been no worse than Di Maria, though. Which is the point here. Up until Di Maria's freakish final season (half season?) at Madrid anyway.

Amazing how quickly people forget previous perceptions of Di Maria. A couple of seasons back if someone suggested a straight swap with, say, Nani they'd provoke a sea of green smilies.
 
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Darmian...Smalling....Rojo...Blind*
Herrera....Schneiderlin
Pedro............Mata...........Depay
Rooney

*if its so important that he needs to be included​
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Pedro's been no worse than Di Maria, though. Which is the point here. Up until Di Maria's freakish final season at Madrid anyway.
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I'd rate Di Maria a bit higher. On his best days he's definitely superior albeit worse on his worse days too.

They're different though. Di Maria is more of a game-changer whereas Pedro is more consistent and disciplined.

I'd personally value Di Maria as players who can have that impact are harder to find.

The issue is that we still need a bit of what we thought we were getting in Di Maria.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I'd rate Di Maria a bit higher. On his best days he's definitely superior albeit worse on his worse days too.

They're different though. Di Maria is more of a game-changer whereas Pedro is more consistent and disciplined.

I'd personally value Di Maria as players who can have that impact are harder to find.

The issue is that we still need a bit of what we thought we were getting in Di Maria.
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Well we definitely don't need what we actually got so that's a bit of a moot point.

Hopefully Januzaj and/or Pereira can add some flair to our attack in the coming years (without being complete pussies to boot)
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Just been on his wiki page. Presume this is a WUM?
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Aye, I've read on numerous occassions that his buy out clause is actually "quite high" 100m euro+, but the 30m euro being brandied about is a "gentlemans agreement" between Pedro and Barca. Apparently he mainly signed to ensure Barca can get a decent fee, should someone come in for him.

Don't know how accurate it is though.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Well we definitely don't need what we actually got so that's a bit of a moot point.

Hopefully Januzaj and/or Pereira can add some flair to our attack in the coming years (without being complete pussies to boot)
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Except it's not irrelevant if you think we need it. I'm not talking about what we got or judging whether he should have stayed, more what we still need to look for.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
What about the buyout clause? Is it really that high?
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According to the Guardian they've brought it down.

Pedro’s buyout fee has been reduced to €30m (£21.4m), down from €150m, according to reports in Spain.

Pedro was quoted as saying he was in “a difficult situation” but added that he had not spoken to the Chelsea coach, José Mourinho, and was looking forward to starting pre-season training with his team-mates on Wednesday.

“It’s true, we agreed to reduce the value of the buyout clause and it’s true there are offers,” he said. “I don’t want to think about the future, I want to rest, remain calm, start pre-season on Wednesday with the squad and we will see what happens after that.”
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Pogue Mahone said:
What about the buyout clause? Is it really that high?
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Yes, it's true. He doesn't have a €30m clause, they have a gentleman's agreement to listen to offers around €30m if a club/contract/bid was suitable for all parties as Pedro wasn't happy with his playing time.

Edit: I think there is some confusion over whether the clause has actually been reduced, or whether they just have an agreement to listen to offers around the €30m fee. Been mixed reports in Spain. Regardless, we all know Spanish release clauses aren't that simple.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
More like a good player, who had a terrific year. Followed by a poor one.

People keep insisting last season was an aberration when all the evidence points towards his final season at Madrid (final 6 months, really) being the real outlier.
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Absolutely. He's only been shit-hot for a short space of time & who's to say that wasnt a one-off either?! Nani's had a period like that & then systematically suffered from "Head Up Arse Syndrome" afterwards..

I'm sick to death of hearing folk shite on about: "but he was man of the match in the Champions League final - so he's undoubtedly world-class.." too.

That's a one-off game for Christ sake - not a consecutive period of seasons performing like many others have & that's the level a player should be judged.

He had a great end to his Real days for sure, but i've my United hat on - so dont be expecting too many compliments thrown to that pricks direction!

On an important side-note - comparing Falcao to Di Maria is like chalk & cheese, in terms of class & respect. Falcao tweeted a massive thank you to all of us fans & that he had great experience being here for the year. Top bloke, lovely fella & an absolutely gent & scholar. I wish him all the best - but not with Chelsea.

Di Maria though, aka Rat/twat-face - can go suck on a thorn-bush, whilst gettin repeatedly abused by the pantomine horse from "Rentaghost" :mad:
 
He looks like a naturally fit guy. Anyone reckon he could play at a good level, well into his 30s? Maybe with a positional switch even
 
I just don't get why didn't even make an attempt for Sanchez last summer. Not only is he capable of scoring goals like Pedro, but he brings individual flair/creativity with his dribbling ability.
 
Skills said:
I just don't get why didn't even make an attempt for Sanchez last summer. Not only is he capable of scoring goals like Pedro, but he brings individual flair/creativity with his dribbling ability.
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We did try, he just had his sights set on London.
 
Skills said:
I just don't get why didn't even make an attempt for Sanchez last summer. Not only is he capable of scoring goals like Pedro, but he brings individual flair/creativity with his dribbling ability.
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Maybe we did. There were a couple of reasons why players would pick Arsenal over United - last season they were in the CL and we weren't.
 
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