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where will Pedro go?

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shivab said:
im interested in knowing the stats for starts and goals. also i think against whom is also an important aspect. thats why its so difficult to judge
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Pedro in 13/14 in La Liga:
2.354 mins/ 15 goals, 10 assists
Pedro in 14/15 in La Liga:
1.544 mins/ 6 goals, 6 assists

Neymar in 13/14 in La Liga:
1.732 mins/ 9 goals, 10 assists
Neymar in 14/15 in La Liga:
2.565 mins/ 22 goals, 9 assists

Neymar 31 goals, 19 assists in 4297 mins
Pedro 21 goals, 16 assists in 3898 mins

Neymar 86 mins per goal/assist
Pedro 105 mins per goal/assist

Given that Neymar plays more centrally than Pedro usually.
 
darioterios said:
the first poster generalizes that you don't improve by signing rejects, which is countered by examples. Nothing illogical?
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Rowem said:
Jaysus, he's responding to the comment that teams can't improve by signing other clubs rejects, and gave examples which show it's not always the case. Keep up.
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HabeasC said:
Exactly as @darioterios said. The examples show that 'rejects' can be successes, not that Pedro will be a success.

For what it's worth I think he will be, as he is pretty much perfect for the Van Gaal system.
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Then I understand. Sorry. Obviously one can never be a 100% certain on these things.


United22 said:
Anyone who thinks that Pedro will have a similar type of resurgence here is off their heads. First of all he has never been a Sanchez/Robben/Ibra type player who can create magic out of nothing. He is a goalscoring winger who will rely upon chances fed to him (something Barcelona can provide in their sleep but we will struggle to do)
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But I do agree with the above. Especially the bolded bit.

Its pretty much what I meant when I summarized how I wouldn't mind Pedro if he was the Young replacement (to finish off the chances) but would have a problem if he's the AdM replacement (Chance creation is not where Pedro excels)
 
Enigma_87 said:
Pedro in 13/14 in La Liga:
2.354 mins/ 15 goals, 10 assists
Pedro in 14/15 in La Liga:
1.544 mins/ 6 goals, 6 assists

Neymar in 13/14 in La Liga:
1.732 mins/ 9 goals, 10 assists
Neymar in 14/15 in La Liga:
2.565 mins/ 22 goals, 9 assists

Neymar 31 goals, 19 assists in 4297 mins
Pedro 21 goals, 16 assists in 3898 mins

Neymar 86 mins per goal/assist
Pedro 105 mins per goal/assist

Given that Neymar plays more centrally than Pedro usually.
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thanks. thats good info.
 
newgiz said:
Then I understand. Sorry. Obviously one can never be a 100% certain on these things.

But I do agree with the above. Especially the bolded bit.

Its pretty much what I meant when I summarized how I wouldn't mind Pedro if he was the Young replacement (to finish off the chances) but would have a problem if he's the AdM replacement (Chance creation is not where Pedro excels)
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Fair does.

I think Pedro will replace Young, whilst Young and Januzaj will take Di Maria's place (on the bench).
 
Ish84045 said:
Sorry mate, more seed the last few pages. Poll as in "do/do not want Pedro" or how many goals will he score if we sign him?

I've also not added a poll yet, so a mod could feel free to assist @Damien.

Would be appreciated.
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hard to say, I myself feel Pedro will bring more than goals to the team :confused:
 
I would be interested in seeing a poll on how many want United to sign him. I don't know if that's something that interests everyone.
 
Ish84045 said:
No I meant what poll do you recommend? A view of how many of us would like United to sign him or a view of how many goals/assists people think he'd contribute if we did sign him?
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that's what I was trying to say. signing someone like Pedro I feel will bring some value beside the tangible things like goals or assists, so I don't feel much about that. Beside we can have that poll later if he becomes a United guy. for now just ask the attitude to the potential signing

just me though:)
 
darioterios said:
that's what I was trying to say. signing someone like Pedro I feel will bring some value beside the tangible things like goals or assists, so I don't feel much about that. Beside we can have that poll later if he becomes a United guy. for now just ask the attitude to the potential signing

just me though:)
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Poll added (my first poll). Apologies if it's shit options!

So vote away. :D
 
Señor said:
People seem to think he might have a Sanchez sort of reaction to coming over here when in fact it'll be more accurate to compare to Walcott.
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I don't know why people say so. While both of them are pacey and have good technique, the comparison ends there. Pedro is one of the players with the highest 'football intelligence' I have seen, is tactically brilliant and is a very good bog match player. Walcott fails spectacularly on all those aspects.

If Pedro comes here he will be a very valuable player for us (in LVG system). I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him starting most of the matches.
 
iammemphis said:
Im gonna stick my neck on the line and say he'll be better then Silva this season if he signs for us. Different position i know but attacking wise i think he'll score and assist more.
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He probably would score and assist more (assuming you mean comparing the combined totals) than David Silva if he joined you but there's not a hope he'd have a better season in terms of performances.
 
Fully Fledged said:
At the end of the day that is the most important thing. The fact that he can't displace Messi is not a point against him as far as I'm concerned.
If he can Improve our squad then why not improve the squad?
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Ofcourse. He won't just improve the squad either, he should take over from Young.
 
I hope we sign someone better even if it's highly unlikely that someone better is available. I don't rate him that highly even if he's a good player.
 
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I have almost no knowledge on Pedro. Is he really not the type of game changing player van Gaal was on about, or is he just being vastly underrated on the caf - perhaps in the shadow of Messi, Neymar, Iniesta etc.,?

On one hand he doesn't seem the type of signing that would get my blood pumping, but then I remind myself that I HAVEN'T even seen much of him. I think that's an important thing to note, I'm not sure if it's some subconscious greed or what but I think naturally we kind of get a bit pessimistic in our opinions on players like this. I'm not really clever enough to get my point across but hopefully someone can decipher what I'm talking about.
 
Like many have said, Pedro did better than Fabregas and Sanchez in Barca over years and yet many don't want him here? I mean seriously?
 
I'll be honest and say I've not seen him play a lot either. But seems that Barca fans rate him more than the non-fans, and genuinely don't want him to leave. They'd go so far as to say it would weaker them if he did.

So unless there are better forwards who are available (ie club is ok to let him go, and he wants to come to us), we should get this deal done. I don't see him as Di Maria's replacement, I think we should just get him regardless because he'll strengthen the team.
 
Twigg said:
I have almost no knowledge on Pedro. Is he really not the type of game changing player van Gaal was on about, or is he just being vastly underrated on the caf - perhaps in the shadow of Messi, Neymar, Iniesta etc.,?
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The best way I would personally actually describe him is a sort of Reus/Muller/Walcott hybrid. He's extremely hard working, direct, very fast, a good finisher, excellent movement with good technique/dribbling from wide areas and he creates a good amount of chances for his teammates. He is not as good as Reus/Muller, but he's a much better player than Walcott. He will suit a direct counter attacking system well, but he's also intelligent enough to work in a possession system with his great movement and link up play (obviously - he was part of Pep's tiki taka).

Individually, he is not that type of "game changer" LvG was talking about, but his effect on the team could be more profound. i.e. along the lines of "sum of the parts is greater than the indivduals etc" because his role could be exactly what we're missing, and what we need to bring the best out of our other players - Mata/Herrera etc. He will keep the width and provide a "better" balance, with a pacey outlet on the wing.

He hasn't been a first team regular since Barca signed Neymar though. Alexis was preferred to him 2 seasons ago (who himself wasn't that great!), and now obviously, Suarez. But if he regains his confidence and form with more playing time, he'd be a steal at 20-22m pounds, IMO. A lineup of:

-----------Schneirderlin----Schwein/Carrick
---------------------Herrera/Mata

Pedro--------------Rooney--------------Depay

would be excellent IMO. But I'm not sure what LvG's thinking is.
 
As Van Gaal has said in the last 24hrs we need a game changer, a player that can make the difference, he's right, Young isn't Neymar and neither is Pedro.
 
I remember watching him a lot when he started and he was brilliant, looked like he would turn out to be a game changer. Since then i havent really seen much of him but it seems like he ended up playing a cog in the machine whilst Messi ran riot.

At worst he will be a very solid team player for our first team, at best he might rediscover the early promise. Sign him.
 
who cares whether who can do this or that defensively the guy gets goals and plenty of them, lvg drills the shit out of his midfield and defense so let them worry about shape. Someone like Pedro who can penetrate, make and take chances is what we need, him and depay flanking wayne could be stupendous. get it done woodster
 
of course ronaldo or even bale would be the dream signing but pedro is the wide forward who can get us the 10-15 goals, and perhaps the most gettable one right now. different player and plays in a different role comparing to di maria but if we sign pedro we can sell di maria and the squad's strength remain the same imo.
 
What is the likelihood of Pedro plus Superstar? Or is it lose ADM and take one or the other.
I'd welcome Pedro as I think he'd add a lot to us, but he's a complimentary player rather than an elevatory one.
And LVG is looking for the difference maker - which I don't know if we can land right now.
 
Van Gaal's latest comments make me more uncertain about our interest in Pedro.

While I still think he's a good player who would score goals and play well for us he definitely isn't the kind of creative, attacking monster that Van Gaal seems to think we need.
 
settembrini said:
Van Gaal's latest comments make me more uncertain about our interest in Pedro.

While I still think he's a good player who would score goals and play well for us he definitely isn't the kind of creative, attacking monster that Van Gaal seems to think we need.
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LVG didnt say we are buying that kind of a player this window. I mean maybe we are maybe we arent, if we arent I expect us to sign Pedro.
 
Mali_Zeus said:
LVG didnt say we are buying that kind of a player this window. I mean maybe we are maybe we arent, if we arent I expect us to sign Pedro.
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I wasn't very clear. I don't mean we are uninterested in Pedro and won't buy him. I meant that the current rumours that make it sound like we are very close to buying him are not true.

We know that United have a list of players for each position and work their way down the list until they find one they can buy. I think Pedro is on the list, but he's certainly not the top name and maybe a lot lower down it than the media think.
 
Mali_Zeus said:
I get your feeling but its better to try Januzaj as a stiker or a nr. 10 and sign a proven player, who was constatly good at the wing.
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True but I'm just not feeling Pedro..

Plus Depay is better on the wing IMO and then we have Mata who can do fantastic out there, with Young to also play.

With Januzaj/Rooney through the middle.

Plus with a 3 of Depay/Januzaj/Mata in behind Rooney, these 3 can literally interchange into any of the 3 positions behind him with Rooney also being able to drop into the #10 position, it offers potentially brilliant positional switch play.
 
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