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where will Pedro go?

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Sam said:
He's not better then Ashley Young?
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The same one who was starting ahead of Di Maria as a out and out winger justifiably or the one who was shit before ?

Anyway, in a inverted 4-3-3 i guess Depay and Mata should be our starting wide players. Lingard, Januzaj, Young can rotate/be backup.

In a 4-4-1-1 if Depay plays central still we have decent options and it isn't a role Pedro is suited too that much. He'd be a improvement then but not a huge one.


He'd be a decentish signing but not something that we need desperately or the top quality player we lack. I'd rather double what we are gonna be spending on him and try and aim higher. (Reus maybe? Bid 50 million and see.)
 
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newgiz said:
I don't hate Young. I appreciate what he did for us last season. He has once again had a pretty good pre season as well. But he is getting old. He will turn 31 soon and I feel Pedro offers more in terms of attacking threat.

With regards to him being better than Di Maria was, this was a Di Maria out of form. Even then if I just look at the attacking stats Young scored less and assisted less than an out of form Di Maria. With greatest of respect to Young, I actually prefer to see someone who could produce more.So I can understand why people rate Di Maria higher because an on form Di Maria is world class.



Memphis has had an excellent preseason. But he's very young and untested in the league. I feel putting so much onus on his young shoulders is too much of a risk.



I don't hate Young as I pointed above. And on there being little between him and Herrera for 2nd/3rd I disagree. Herrera by far was the most influential outfield player (discounting Carrick who didn't play enough). I don't disagree that Young had a great season of course.
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Young had his 30th bday last month. He doesn't turn 31 for a year.

He seems to be playing good football. Works hard defends very well. He is definitely worth keeping for a couple more years. Plus he seems to have left his diving antics and seems a likeable guy.
 
hebegebe said:
But he's not, he's now a squad player at Barcelona, the fact that they're prepared to let go a player who has come through the youth team, speaks volumes in my opinion.

The Pedro of today is not the same player as Pedro 08/09.
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They are not letting him go.
 
hebegebe said:
But he's not, he's now a squad player at Barcelona, the fact that they're prepared to let go a player who has come through the youth team, speaks volumes in my opinion.

The Pedro of today is not the same player as Pedro 08/09.
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He has a release clause.
 
newgiz said:
He scored them in the Dutch League so it doesn't automatically equate to him scoring the same amount in the PL. A season total of 10 goals and 10 assists would mean an outstanding output. That shouldn't be the minimum expectation.
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That's a risk involved in every forward signing. Chelsea signed Ba from Newcastle when he scored 11 goals in 6 months and the guy must have scored less than that in the next 18.

In comparison a good no. Of strikers from Netherlands have scored for fun in England
 
JPRouve said:
They are not letting him go.
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Yes, why did they lower the release clause to such a bargain price?

Anyway, I'm not convicted with Pedro, but there seems to be some serious man love for him in this thread, if we do sign him, I hope the little Fecker proves me wrong.
 
I still don't get how so many of the members here are already including him in hypothetical lineups and all. He's a good player but really nothing that special and wouldn't improve our team that much.
 
hebegebe said:
Yes, why did they lower the release clause to such a bargain price?

Anyway, I'm not convicted with Pedro, but there seems to be some serious man love for him in this thread, if we do sign him, I hope the little Fecker proves me wrong.
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Because Pedro and his agent negotiated a realistic release clause in case he wanted to leave for first team football?
 
bosnian_red said:
I seriously can't understand why somebody would be so against signing Pedro like you are, who has been a starter/squad player for both Spain and Barcelona during their most successful eras. Starter for arguably the best club side ever, and he's only £20m, and at 27 years old should be right in his prime.
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Maybe some don't rate so highly? People keep saying that he scored a lot of goals, but he played in a team that was very dominant, any decent attacking player would have scored a lot of goals there. Also he is so good that Barca are trying to replace him since Pep was gone, I am sure most of the Barca fans and directors would want him to stay as a squad player, but I doubt any would be pleased to see him as a starter every game.

You don't improve by signing other team's rejects, I would understand if he was young, but he is 28, it's fair to say that the chances of him improving are slim. We should be aiming to get players at a similar level to Barca's starters, not to raid their bench for bargains.

Don't get me wrong, he's a good player and a good buy for €30m for some team out there, I just hope it won't be us.

The way I see it signing these kind of players is pointless, unless we are really desperate for a player in his position we should only sign either top players or young players that have the potential to be one of the best.
 
hebegebe said:
Yes, why did they lower the release clause to such a bargain price?

Anyway, I'm not convicted with Pedro, but there seems to be some serious man love for him in this thread, if we do sign him, I hope the little Fecker proves me wrong.
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I don't know the context but I wouldn't be surprised if it was like Thiago, Pedro last season negotiated a low clause in case he doesn't hit a certain number of games.
 
ottosec said:
Maybe some don't rate so highly? People keep saying that he scored a lot of goals, but he played in a team that was very dominant, any decent attacking player would have scored a lot of goals there. Also he is so good that Barca are trying to replace him since Pep was gone, I am sure most of the Barca fans and directors would want him to stay as a squad player, but I doubt any would be pleased to see him as a starter every game.

You don't improve by signing other team's rejects, I would understand if he was young, but he is 28, it's fair to say that the chances of him improving are slim. We should be aiming to get players at a similar level to Barca's starters, not to raid their bench for bargains.

Don't get me wrong, he's a good player and a good buy for €30m for some team out there, I just hope it won't be us.

The way I see it signing these kind of players is pointless, unless we are really desperate for a player in his position we should only sign either top players or young players that have the potential to be one of the best.
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So Chelsea and Arsenal didn't improve by signing Sanchez and Fabregas, two Barcelona rejects who performed worse then Pedro has for them? Right. Or Robben, Sneijder from Real madrid... You get the point.

He's not a Barca reject, they just happen to have 3 of the best 4 players in the world playing in their front 3. Hardly a slight on him for not getting in there, is it? He was great for them when Pep was in charge, and then since he left he hasn't been as good. Van Gaals system has a lot of similarities to pep's though, and if a player is a starter for the best club side ever, and only 27 now, then you can be sure as hell that he can still be a good player for us even if he doesn't get back to his very best level.

Some won't like to hear it, but Barcelona has much bigger standards for players then pretty much any other club in the world, including United. Technique wise, they're on another level, even their squad players. Fabregas and Sanchez stuck out there as not being good enough, not fitting in style wise and technique wise they stuck out as being sloppy players. Then they come to the premier league and are 2 of the top 5 players in the league basically. Shouldn't that in itself say something about how good you have to be to actually be a success as an attacking player at Barcelona?
 
hebegebe said:
Yes, why did they lower the release clause to such a bargain price?
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Pedro's contract was ending next season so he was renewed to avoid him leaving for free. He agreed to renew with the condition of lowering the release clause.
 
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ottosec said:
Maybe some don't rate so highly? People keep saying that he scored a lot of goals, but he played in a team that was very dominant, any decent attacking player would have scored a lot of goals there. Also he is so good that Barca are trying to replace him since Pep was gone, I am sure most of the Barca fans and directors would want him to stay as a squad player, but I doubt any would be pleased to see him as a starter every game.

You don't improve by signing other team's rejects, I would understand if he was young, but he is 28, it's fair to say that the chances of him improving are slim. We should be aiming to get players at a similar level to Barca's starters, not to raid their bench for bargains.

Don't get me wrong, he's a good player and a good buy for €30m for some team out there, I just hope it won't be us.

The way I see it signing these kind of players is pointless, unless we are really desperate for a player in his position we should only sign either top players or young players that have the potential to be one of the best.
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lol. Not sure about you but I would have loved Sanchez or Fabregas. Those rejects!
 
Some of the posts here. Wov.
We shouldnt go for rejects even if they're good rejects I guess.
And we should go for that and that player like transfer window is a flee market.
 
kouroux said:
I still don't get how so many of the members here are already including him in hypothetical lineups and all. He's a good player but really nothing that special and wouldn't improve our team that much.
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Him, Chich and Fellaini would be 3 very good super subs though
 
hebegebe said:
Yes, why did they lower the release clause to such a bargain price?

Anyway, I'm not convicted with Pedro, but there seems to be some serious man love for him in this thread, if we do sign him, I hope the little Fecker proves me wrong.
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He's not a world class player, nobody is saying that he is. What he is though is a player who is already well used to playing the type of football we play, someone very good technically and a very quick thinker on the ball, a hard worker defensively, will provide us with a huge injection of pace which we needed, and is a goal threat. All at a very good price. He just suits the current side really well I think. Having him and Memphis making runs in behind, with Mata roaming around in the space that will create has the potential to be a brilliant front 4 and works really well with all of those players.
 
do we really need to compare pedro and di maria. i think pedro can arrive whether di maria stays at the club or not. they play different positions. if we stop thinking that one is replacing the other (which is how the media is selling it) the critics can start seeing it for what it really is ..a smart signing.
 
Mali_Zeus said:
Some of the posts here. Wov.
We shouldnt go for rejects even if they're good rejects I guess.
And we should go for that and that player like transfer window is a flee market.
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yeah with this attitude we would never get hold of Arjen Robben, apparently another reject
 
Raoul said:
Why ? Its not like we're punting on an unproven, inexperienced player.
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Well, he can't displace Messi or Neymar and only scores goals for Barcelona because they are the best team around.
 
Raoul said:
And thus by any measure of human logic, twice as effective, especially if Di Maria was widely viewed as an underachiever last year.
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Twice as effective? That's what I said.

If it's a typo and you meant twice the player, I don't see how him suiting van Gaal's system more makes him the better player. It just makes him better suited to a possession oriented team. Which he will be as he's used to it and has the skill set for and which is pretty much the opposite of what Di Maria is used to and has the skill set for.
 
"JPRouve, post: 17845407, member: 84732"]Well, he can't displace Messi or Neymar and only scores goals for Barcelona because they are the best team around.
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And that means he's no good?:lol: Or more importantly would improve our squad?
 
prarek said:
Caf seems fairly divided on this.
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I personally have a weird feeling about it. I think he's very well suited to our style and will thus be a good buy but people here overrate how good a player he actually is.
 
darioterios said:
yeah with this attitude we would never get hold of Arjen Robben, apparently another reject
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i see your point and i dont disagree but robben was a regular starter before he was sold due to a managerial change. pedro isnt a regular starter for the last two years.
 
FromTheBench said:
The same one who was starting ahead of Di Maria as a out and out winger justifiably or the one who was shit before ?

Anyway, in a inverted 4-3-3 i guess Depay and Mata should be our starting wide players. Lingard, Januzaj, Young can rotate/be backup.

In a 4-4-1-1 if Depay plays central still we have decent options and it isn't a role Pedro is suited too that much. He'd be a improvement then but not a huge one.


He'd be a decentish signing but not something that we need desperately or the top quality player we lack. I'd rather double what we are gonna be spending on him and try and aim higher. (Reus maybe? Bid 50 million and see.)
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Young keeping Di Maria out of the team was more down to the latters utter incompetence in the keeping the ball, then the brilliance of the former.

I'm not saying Pedro is the great answer, but he's sure as hell a better player then Ashley frigging Young.
 
Varun said:
I personally have a weird feeling about it. I think he's very well suited to our style and will thus be a good buy but people here overrate how good a player he actually is.
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People on here very much underrate how good a player he is.
prarek said:
Caf seems fairly divided on this.
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As divided as I have ever seen it I'd say.
 
Rowem said:
He has 50-odd caps for Spain playing in different positions and formations.
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Huh? They play predominantly a 4-3-3 too and have been doing that for a long time.

prath92 said:
That's a risk involved in every forward signing. Chelsea signed Ba from Newcastle when he scored 11 goals in 6 months and the guy must have scored less than that in the next 18.

In comparison a good no. Of strikers from Netherlands have scored for fun in England
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A good number of strikers playing in the Netherlands (Afonso Alves,Jozy Altidore) have failed miserably as well. So it isn't really a proper argument to suggest he will score more.

Its insanity to expect Memphis to score and assist so much.
 
Varun said:
I personally have a weird feeling about it. I think he's very well suited to our style and will thus be a good buy but people here overrate how good a player he actually is.
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At the end of the day that is the most important thing. The fact that he can't displace Messi is not a point against him as far as I'm concerned.
If he can Improve our squad then why not improve the squad?
 
ottosec said:
Maybe some don't rate so highly? People keep saying that he scored a lot of goals, but he played in a team that was very dominant, any decent attacking player would have scored a lot of goals there. Also he is so good that Barca are trying to replace him since Pep was gone, I am sure most of the Barca fans and directors would want him to stay as a squad player, but I doubt any would be pleased to see him as a starter every game.

You don't improve by signing other team's rejects, I would understand if he was young, but he is 28, it's fair to say that the chances of him improving are slim. We should be aiming to get players at a similar level to Barca's starters, not to raid their bench for bargains.

Don't get me wrong, he's a good player and a good buy for €30m for some team out there, I just hope it won't be us.

The way I see it signing these kind of players is pointless, unless we are really desperate for a player in his position we should only sign either top players or young players that have the potential to be one of the best.
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It worked for Arsenal with Sanchez, Bayern Munich with Robben and Juventus with Pirlo.
 
HabeasC said:
It worked for Arsenal with Sanchez, Bayern Munich with Robben and Juventus with Pirlo.
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We can continue the list Chelsea with Makelele, Milan with Ibrahimovic, Leeds with Cantona.
 
shivab said:
i see your point and i dont disagree but robben was a regular starter before he was sold due to a managerial change. pedro isnt a regular starter for the last two years.
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Messi and Neymar, adding Suarez meaning the other two guys surely play on the wing.
 
People seem to think he might have a Sanchez sort of reaction to coming over here when in fact it'll be more accurate to compare to Walcott.
 
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