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That would be a terrible idea.
4-2-3-1 is not so much different to 4-3-3, I mean it can be easily transformed to 4-3-3. Dont think Pedro is stuck with 4--3-3 and cant play in any other formation.
If he'll be better for us than ADM who was overall poor in United shirt he'll be more than enough replacement.
Pedro played in all three forward positions just last year and was comfortable in all three yet somehow he's deemed positionally inflexible. Brilliant.
Technically he's far, far better than Young, he has that same tireless work ethic, and he offers a goal threat we sorely lack. He's no Alexis Sánchez but that's what Memphis is for. Pedro would be a key player for us instantly and the perfect player to play on the opposite wing to Mata. I can only imagine people who think otherwise didn't see Pedro when he first broke through.
Technically he's far, far better than Young, he has that same tireless work ethic, and he offers a goal threat we sorely lack. He's no Alexis Sánchez but that's what Memphis is for. Pedro would be a key player for us instantly and the perfect player to play on the opposite wing to Mata. I can only imagine people who think otherwise didn't see Pedro when he first broke through.
He has never played there in the season that went by and that I am fairly certain of.
They haven't played in 3-4-3.
So never in recent times then.
Based on what?
So your appreciation of a footballer abilities is limited to 12 months? That's interesting to know.
Not sure what your certainty is based on but he played there vs. PSG less than 12 months ago and that wasn't the only time.
http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/885744/Live
If ADM leaves for PSG I can't see why we shouldn't go for him, although they're not exactly the same players.
Why does it matter if he's some super versatile player anyway? He's going to be playing on the left, right or up front most likely, and he's very good in those roles and would suit the system perfectly. Why would he need to play anywhere else? Stupid argument really.
Actually it is different. In the 4-3-3 the onus is on the furthest forward midfielder to create chances while in a 4-2-3-1 the onus is on the wide players to do that.
Again like I have mentioned he has never played outside of that formation (consistently) so I have my doubts.
Disagree with you there to be honest. Just above I had mentioned how I would be more than happy if he was a Young replacement. But as an AdM replacement certainly not.
Sorry, i'm not sure.
Not really. i actually look at the player's abilities over a period of time.
Its interesting to know that your judgement of a footballer's tactical flexibility is based on him playing a few times in another formation. By that logic Berbatov was flexible as well because he played defender once for us in a League cup game for a few minutes.
I think Pedro would fit perfectly into the system that LVG wants to play. A front 4 of Rooney, Pedro, Memphis, Mata does sound good.
I actually said in that thread that he wasn't as versatile as people think, he is a wide player first and foremost. But you said that he was only a 4-3-3 player and that's wrong, he played in 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 and 3-4-3.
To summarise my views on this, Pedro as a replacement for Young with another player coming in place of AdM would be something I had be happy about. But Pedro as a direct replacement for AdM is not something I would be happy with.
Fair enough. Lets just agree to disagree then.
Why would you want Young out? Much better than Di Maria was. I can understand people wanting to give Angel another try and gutted it didn't work out for him, but I can't understand people's rage about what impact his departure will have on the team - he was crap last year and Pedro would be a great direct replacement.
Love the fact that they publish a picture of Pedro in the 2010 World Cup Final team - as if people won't believe it without photographic evidence. Does seem strange when you consider how good Spain were then and how little Pedro has done since
Depay is already the Young replacement/improvement
We signed Memphis already... So think of it like we're taking away the di maria who had very little impact on our season last year, and adding in Memphis and Pedro, while we already have Mata, Young, Januzaj and are promoting Pereira to a first team player.
I think you are going to be pretty unhappy then. Also, why the Young hate? He was player of pre-season last year, and he was minimum 3rd best player of the year behind De Gea and it's a tough call between him and Herrera for 2nd/3rd, there certainly wasn't a lot in it. He played pretty well as a wing back at the start of the year and was on fire in the second half of the season in his more preferred winger role. My only slight complaint would be his lack of goals, but his overall work-rate and contribution can not be questioned.
The season after he was sensational and scored in the CL final against us. The season before last he scored nearly 20 goals!
You know what's mad about that pass? At what point does he see that Suarez has gone again for the return. Suarez is in his line of vision for the tiniest amount of time.
Yeah, that was his golden period, didn't seem to kick on after that in the last few years. I mean, he's scored a decent amount of goals, but who wouldn't in that team?
I hope we spend half of the Di Maria money and get him. Perfectly suited for us like Morgan Schneiderlin
But the fact that he is worthy of that team should tell us something about his quality. People use it as a stick against him but would people do the same thing with a All black winger?
I Think its a case of instinct and anticipation, a sign of good teams.
Done deal then.
Because they are moaning wankers?
This would soften Di Marias defection enough for me I think. Maybe use the rest of the money to put into Ramos or Otamendi.
Whats the latest on this then? Anything coming from Spain?
I've certainly warmed to the idea of Pedro coming in for Di Maria, even if I wasn't totally convinced at first. I still think we lack the creativity that Di Maria provides, but a front line of Pedro/Mata/Memphis/Rooney could be great if it clicks. The runs that Memphis/Pedro makes would hopefully help Mata restore some of the creativity we saw at Chelsea, he loves picking out runners ahead of him.
I've certainly warmed to the idea of Pedro coming in for Di Maria, even if I wasn't totally convinced at first. I still think we lack the creativity that Di Maria provides, but a front line of Pedro/Mata/Memphis/Rooney could be great if it clicks. The runs that Memphis/Pedro makes would hopefully help Mata restore some of the creativity we saw at Chelsea, he loves picking out runners ahead of him.
Last i heard is he'll us after the UEFA Super Cup.
I don't hate Young. I appreciate what he did for us last season. He has once again had a pretty good pre season as well. But he is getting old. He will turn 31 soon and I feel Pedro offers more in terms of attacking threat.
With regards to him being better than Di Maria was, this was a Di Maria out of form. Even then if I just look at the attacking stats Young scored less and assisted less than an out of form Di Maria. With greatest of respect to Young, I actually prefer to see someone who could produce more.So I can understand why people rate Di Maria higher because an on form Di Maria is world class.
Memphis has had an excellent preseason. But he's very young and untested in the league. I feel putting so much onus on his young shoulders is too much of a risk.
I don't hate Young as I pointed above. And on there being little between him and Herrera for 2nd/3rd I disagree. Herrera by far was the most influential outfield player (discounting Carrick who didn't play enough). I don't disagree that Young had a great season of course.
Lingards ability. Will be shocked if he makes it as even a bottom half premier league player.
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