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where will Pedro go?

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Pogue Mahone said:
I'm afraid you can't distance yourself from them on that basis. It's the FM-obsessed transfer muppets who spend the most time agonising about fees and come out with classics like "Terrible signing for £25m but a great bit of business for £20m"
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The thing is, even on FM, £22m for Pedro is a bargain!
 
Adam-Utd said:
I'm not sure where the joke started but he's usually spot on, atleast recently he is anyway.
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Especially regarding players based in Spain, and also Spanish players based abroad.

From memory he was one of the first to openly say we were interested in Mata and he wanted to come to us as well as being right about Di Maria coming. If he's saying that we've got an agreement with Pedro then I'd say we do.

Getting an agreement with Barca seems to be the sticking point but I think they've been dragging their heels until after the Uefa and Spanish Super Cups were out of the way.

The only thing that may hold this up a little more is the illness Neymar has.
 
Kostur said:
None of those players had to fight for a spot with Neymar, Suarez and Messi.
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Is that their fault? No. It is what it is.. He's not a world star name and has always been the guy they replace when new signings come in. If we want to compare it.. Say Solskjear for instance. As good as he was no one would pay Dwight Yorke, Stan Colemore, Patrick Kliuvert money for him because he was a substitute. I don't see why it's hard to get... Why should we pay the going rate for someone that is considered a valuable 12th man.
 
charleysurf said:
£22m would be far too much for him really. But I guess United are a bit stuck and need something to add to attacking options (although he's not the high class striker they really need). Culturally he would fit in well I guess, and that counts for a lot.
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£22M for Pedro in today's market is a bargain. Pedro is highly experienced at the top level and was a key player of one of the best football sides I've seen in my lifetime. He would still be starting for Barcelona now if they didn't have Messi, Neymar and Suarez. Not many players would get in front of them three.
 
Mainoldo said:
Is that their fault? No. It is what it is.. He's not a world star name and has always been the guy they replace when new signings come in. If we want to compare it.. Say Solskjear for instance. As good as he was no one would pay Dwight Yorke, Stan Colemore, Patrick Kliuvert money for him because he was a substitute. I don't see why it's hard to get... Why should we pay the going rate for someone that is considered a valuable 12th man.
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Because 22 mln quid is a nothing money nowadays and we're paying for an experienced winger with good goal scoring record who was constantly a very important part of best team in the world. For instance, we've paid 60 mln quid for a starter who was MOTM in CL final for Real and he turned out to be a horribad flop for us. Doesn't matter whether somebody's a starter or a 'valuable 12th man' for one's team as long as they can bring quality to our team and I believe Pedro will be a valuable addition to our squad.
 
Mainoldo said:
Is that their fault? No. It is what it is.. He's not a world star name and has always been the guy they replace when new signings come in. If we want to compare it.. Say Solskjear for instance. As good as he was no one would pay Dwight Yorke, Stan Colemore, Patrick Kliuvert money for him because he was a substitute. I don't see why it's hard to get... Why should we pay the going rate for someone that is considered a valuable 12th man.
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Right but we're not paying Yorke/Kliuvert money are we? Just as Solskjaer would have gone for about half those players, Sterling, Di Maria are going for £40+ million and we want to pay half that for Pedro.
 
22 is nothing for someone of his quality. Better players give you more chance of winning trophies. He's just turned 28 and has a good many years left in him. I don't think you can always look at the price. Look what Madrid paid for Bale. Now we can all ask if it was worth it, but I'm sure we would break the record. Why? Because of what he could bring to the team. It's over x amount of years. If Pedro settles, he will be a great player for us and people keep saying he's a squad player. What planet do you have to be from, to be that dumb? Barcelona were more willing to let Sanchez go then Pedro. It's not like he's on the bench and Barcelona have a crap forward line...

Providing we balance the team with lads that we promote from within, then where's the problem? It's only an issue if you bankrupt the club or lose the will to bring through kids. We have to challenge and we have to try to be successful. As for no sell on value? That's overrated. A few trophies and it all pays for itself.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
£22M for Pedro in today's market is a bargain. Pedro is highly experienced at the top level and was a key player of one of the best football sides I've seen in my lifetime. He would still be starting for Barcelona now if they didn't have Messi, Neymar and Suarez. Not many players would get in front of them three.
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Out of interest, do you consider all regular starters in a team as key players?
 
unitedbhoy said:
Mata has a very high football IQ in attack and in defence.

He knows when to drop back to take protect the RB, or even fill in his position when the full back is bombing forward.

His positioning in dangerous opposition attacks is pretty much spotless as well.

I think this is one of the main reasons for the unrelenting Van Gaal love for the wee man.

Either his work ethic has increasind a ridiculous amount since coming to United or that was not the reason at all Mourinho got rid.
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I too think Van Gaal loves himl. And as I stated in the Unpopular opinions thread, I believe he's also our best outfield player.
 
Lewis.no.9 said:
Makes me wonder, why If Mata has been given a brief to roam into the middle most of the time, leaving us one sided on the Right. We dont just line him up as a CAM behind a striker?. His vision there is awesome. Surely makes more sense?
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Letting him roam from the wing makes it much harder to defend against. When he's central, the opposition DM can just follow him. When he's starting from the wing, the opposition fullback can't really track him all over the pitch. It just creates more confusion for the opposition.

I think its a good way to use him because he's got intelligent movement. Also he perhaps doesn't have the physical presence to deal with the big bullying DM types.
 
Balu said:
Out of interest, do you consider all regular starters in a team as key players?
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I consider regular starters who contribute a lot to the team as key players. Pedro was excellent in Guardiola's system, he knew exactly what was expected of him and he performed. Messi, Villa and Pedro was a dream front three at the time the best attack in the world. I would say all the regular starters in Guardiola's Barcelona side played a key role in their success. Their midfield and attack was the most impressive.
 
I doubt City's interest is concrete because he'd be uninformed to join us over them. He'll have to operate within the philosophy and I don't know how much of a difference he's going to make, by then again I'm not a Pedro scholar per say.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Letting him roam from the wing makes it much harder to defend against. When he's central, the opposition DM can just follow him. When he's starting from the wing, the opposition fullback can't really track him all over the pitch. It just creates more confusion for the opposition.

I think its a good way to use him because he's got intelligent movement. Also he perhaps doesn't have the physical presence to deal with the big bullying DM types.
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It's OK starting from the wing, but he doesn't tend to tuck in as much as I would like when in possession.

He seems to stay out on the right far too much, which makes it too predictable for the LB to mark.

He seemed to drift inside a lot more in the 2nd half against Villa. I hope to see more of this in the coming games.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
I consider regular starters who contribute a lot to the team as key players. Pedro was excellent in Guardiola's system, he knew exactly what was expected of him and he performed. Messi, Villa and Pedro was a dream front three at the time the best attack in the world. I would say all the regular starters in Guardiola's Barcelona side played a key role in their success. Their midfield and attack was the most impressive.
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Yeah, fair enough. I wouldn't call him a key player, I'd limit that to at most 4 or 5 irreplaceable players in the side. But I agree that he was excellent and performed his role brilliantly.
 
Mata was surplus to requirements at Chelsea and we still paid £37m for him.
 
charleysurf said:
pfft, go back to the start of this thread if you think I'm the only one. Just because money has no meaning to the muppet crowd doesn't mean that 22m (in one lump sum) isn't a lot for a 28 year old squad player with limited sell-on value at the end of his contract.

Anyway, it's not as though I was saying we shouldn't buy him...
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Interesting that you mention muppets cause muppets think about price for certain age and come up with the stuff you mentioned. 22m for a 28 year old squad player... Not to mentio sell-on value. I mean who even thinks about sell-on value...
 
Mali_Zeus said:
Interesting that you mention muppets cause muppets think about price for certain age and come up with the stuff you mentioned. 22m for a 28 year old squad player... Not to mentio sell-on value. I mean who even thinks about sell-on value...
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Have got to agree that really who cares about sell on value? The club needs to spend to get back in contention. It may be short sighted but that's all I'm interested in. Does Pedro improve us? Absolutely yes he does! So in my mind that's good enough.

When you look at what a city paid for Sterling and will pay for KDM it looks like great value.

He's a proven player at the top level who's a better all around player than he's been allowed to be at Barca. He instantly improves us and whoever drops out for him gives us more quality on the bench.
 
dasty said:
Add all the trophies won for all of the players listed up and they are still nowhere close to Pedro's.
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So what. Schweiny cost less than Fellaini. Let's count their trophies. Right here right now. £22m for Pedro is not a bargain. It's about right and we are rightly negotiating that fee. Personal I bet no one would care if Chelsea got Pedro for £22m and we paid £60m for Reus.
 
Jerch said:
Di Maria was a substitute for at least half a season.
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What season he was a first teamer under Mourinho and Ancelloti found a starting position for him. He is also after Messi the second most important player for Argentina. Does Pedro have these accolades?
 
Mainoldo said:
What season he was a first teamer under Mourinho and Ancelloti found a starting position for him. He is also after Messi the second most important player for Argentina. Does Pedro have these accolades?
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FFS i am talking about last season as was the poster who posted the transfers that happened this season. Pedro is the first guy behind arguably the best front three in the history. Di Maria wasleft on the bench because of Young...
 
Jerch said:
FFS i am talking about last season as was the poster who posted the transfers that happened this season. Pedro is the first guy behind arguably the best front three in the history. Di Maria wasleft on the bench because of Young...
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It didn't work out for Di Maria here. It didn't work out for Ibra at barca. What's your point? Di Maria is still a far better player than Pedro.
 
To be honest all we need from Pedro is for him to come in and be more productive than Di Maria was. Considering Di Maria went to complete shit after a few games I reckon we can be confident that Pedro will offer better performances.

FWIW I reckon we will push hard for Bale next summer if he has a repeat of last season at Madrid.
 
Mainoldo said:
It didn't work out for Di Maria here. It didn't work out for Ibra at barca. What's your point? Di Maria is still a far better player than Pedro.
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Yeah but we sold him for twice as much as Pedro will cost.
And i don't want to talk about how good Di Maria is because many people overrate him, he had one trully WC season in his career in a position we are well stoked. He is not as good on the wing.
 
Mainoldo said:
It didn't work out for Di Maria here. It didn't work out for Ibra at barca. What's your point? Di Maria is still a far better player than Pedro.
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To be fair... Di Maria has always been inconsistent, but had that great year at Real Madrid playing deeper. As a winger though, one could definitely argue that Pedro has always been better and more consistent for sure. And a much bigger goalscorer.
 
Jerch said:
Yeah but we sold him for twice as much as Pedro will cost.
And i don't want to talk about how good Di Maria is because many people overrate him, he had one trully WC season in his career in a position we are well stoked. He is not as good on the wing.
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Because he is twice as good. I wonder if Barca could have got £45m out of Pedro.

How many WC seasons has Pedro had?
 
kidbob said:
To be honest all we need from Pedro is for him to come in and be more productive than Di Maria was. Considering Di Maria went to complete shit after a few games I reckon we can be confident that Pedro will offer better performances.

FWIW I reckon we will push hard for Bale next summer if he has a repeat of last season at Madrid.
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I think so too. Woodward would love to have arguably the best British player at Britain's biggest club. Would van Gaal want him though? Will he have a say on signing Bale heading into his final season. Pedro will be better than Di Maria i'm sure.
 
bosnian_red said:
To be fair... Di Maria has always been inconsistent, but had that great year at Real Madrid playing deeper. As a winger though, one could definitely argue that Pedro has always been better and more consistent for sure. And a much bigger goalscorer.
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A much better goalscorer not going to argue with that. Hopefully that's what he brings here. But as an individual he is not as good as Di Maria.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
I think so too. Woodward would love to have arguably the best British player at Britain's biggest club. Would van Gaal want him though? Will he have a say on signing Bale heading into his final season. Pedro will be better than Di Maria i'm sure.
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LVG already said he wants a special player like Messi, Hazard etc. He will want Bale.
 
Mainoldo said:
It didn't work out for Di Maria here. It didn't work out for Ibra at barca. What's your point? Di Maria is still a far better player than Pedro.
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A far better player overall maybe... But Pedro brings more goals and may actually succeed in the Premier League. Plus I think what will go in Pedro's favor is he's a hard worker. That was what disappointed me so much about ADM because I always believed he was a hard worker.
 
Rich_H_1989 said:
A far better player overall maybe... But Pedro brings more goals and may actually succeed in the Premier League. Plus I think what will go in Pedro's favor is he's a hard worker. That was what disappointed me so much about ADM because I always believed he was a hard worker.
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Yeah I agree. Was also disappointed with Di Maria's work rate especially when I seen him run up and down like a mad man for Madrid against Barca to a point I actually thought he had a stroke.

My gripe is people thinking Pedro is a bargain. To me he is good value but considering he will probably be replaced in two years when we eventually get a Bale of this world... Just right.
 
Mainoldo said:
My gripe is people thinking Pedro is a bargain. To me he is good value but considering he will probably be replaced in two years when we eventually get a Bale of this world... Just right.
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I think given the current state of the transfer market it is good value. To get a really key squad player for Barca (which is not at all a disgrace) for £22m is good business. And it's even better when you consider what we've paid for some of the other players in our squad.

I don't see Bale ever coming to united... But if he did he'd cost way over £50m and is he really over double the player? He's not in my opinion.
 
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