Okay, do you think that Shell think that sparing 1% of their revenue on one deal is meaningless?
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Okay, do you think that Shell think that sparing 1% of their revenue on one deal is meaningless?
1% of revenue is massive at any scale!
If we held out for more money on those sales they probably wouldn't have happened and they would still be here.
Those players made more at United than their new clubs could probably afford so United accept lower transfer fees to get them off the wage bill.
Exactly, and 5m are 1% of the revenues, if I'm not mistaken. It's what big clubs clubs pay for their academies every year.
I mean I agree 5m is a lot of money, I just thought using one of the most successful companies was a poor example. I mean, much smaller companies could lose 5m without blinking an eyelid, whereas it would be significant amount to almost all football clubs.
5m is not a lot of money for United ffs.
Oh, in that sense you are right, I told myself that I was trying to kill a mosquito with a Bazooka.
We could have easily got 1/2 million more on all of those transfers if we really pushed it.
I love Balague.
Perhaps not but we have to be seen to be trying to negotiate every fee down.
If we just run about paying whatever clubs ask for players before long word gets around and clubs start asking £20m for a £15m player, £25m for a £20m player and so on.
Hasnt he been close to signing for us for a while now? how much closer can he get? does he need to move right next door to Old Trafford?
I doubt it to be honest or we would have done it.
RVP and Nani were on huge wages, United accepted low fees to basically subsidise their wages at Fenerbache and get them off our wage bill.
It is a lot of money, but it's manageable. The problem is that you can't consider that in the negotiation of a deal you can overpay by 5m, you have to go after those 5m because with 4 or 5 deals a year, you are rapidly at 5%-6% of your revenues, you are almost at 100% of your profit.
We just sold Di Maria at like a £15m loss. We could in theory afford a £100m player. We spent almost £10m on Bebe for chrissakes. Woody ain't squabbling over £5m.
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I'm not saying he is, I said he should, and the 15m loss is a good reason why he should. And the club can afford a 100m player because he isn't run by people who throw money out of the windows.
I work for bank, 5 million is meaningless to them.
I doubt it's the fee. Most likely Barca want the payment up front all of it and we want to pay installments.
They were good servants to the club and giving them a quick, hassle free transfer is more important than trying to get an extra few million and dragging it on for weeks.
You are right 5m for a bank is nothing, but United isn't a bank. And United' profits are pretty small compared to a lot of banks.
Ballbag has built credibility. Its going to be done soon. I dont care if we are haggling, its business and got to be done the way thats most profitable.
I doubt any of the details of us "haggling" over 5mil are true. Very few in both clubs are privy to such details. Basically, it seems like any deal was going to happen only after the Spanish Super Cup, due to Neymar's injury. I think this will get wrapped up quickly now, if we move in with intent.
If a player leaves Barcelona, there are only two destinations that don't naturally trend downwards. It's us or Real or Pedro stays.
Always loved you Ballbag, top man.
Say anything more about De Gea and I'll burn your suave shirts.
I'm not sure about that.
£5m is considerable amount of money for any football club. Almost £100k wages/ week for a year that is. Apart from the major sponsors (kit maker, kit sponsor etc), most sponsors don't pay close to £5m a year.
If there's scope for negotiation, there should always be some haggling
If there's scope for negotiation, there should always be some haggling
What is special about Pedro? There is nothing he does that is beyond what we could have gotten from RVP.
Give Wilson a chance.
Give Wilson a chance.
Fast, two-footed, is a goalscoring winger. So pretty much the antithesis of RvP. Plus, he fits with LvG's 'philosophy/process'
He's not a striker and yes, there's quite a lot RVP couldn't give us, hence his move to Turkey.
I did hope there was white text
I don't think it's that simple, unless it's written in black / white we can't simply assume 30M is the buyout clause. We would have simply paid it if that's the case, and as much as I don't know much about Woody, but I'm sure he's no newbie in negotiating skills, and there could have been more to it than whatever the press reports.
And FWIW I don't think 5M is the stumbling block, Barca could possibly just refuse to honor that, or probably wants more in adds on etc.
He is a good player but I doubt he'd seriously improve Man Utd. He isn't that good and we only need top class players right now.
That was the case a few years ago but not anymore sadly. Replace Utd with Bayern Munich and the move wouldn't be that downward.
As excited as I am about Pedro potentially signing because he is a fantastic player, I can't shake the feeling he's not exactly what we're missing and we'll still have the same issues with him in the side.
Morning lads!
So is this the day?
So is this the day?
Same issues being a lack of creativity/threat up front?
If Pedro is meant to replace Mata, the net improvement of our play would be zero or negative. Mata's a better player than Pedro or at least not worst. Pedro has got attributes which Mata lacks and vice versa. Overall Mata is better though, IMO. Now if Mata is played centrally, as a Nr 10, then Pedro would make much more sense I guess. Or Pedro is going to replace Young?
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