Been rubbish this season, one hit wonder.
Payet Winter Signing
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Don't think he works hard enough for Jose.
No.
This is simply not true.
No, no, no!
100 times no thanks.
100 times no thanks.
He's a direct competitor with Mata and he hardly is a superior player. His set pieces are better than Mata's though, but he has the same lack of athleticism and pace and lack workrate. Micky is much more complete and Martial is a completely different player, a forward, and a young one to boot.
Do we need a marginally better alternative for Mata for a big money and a risk of not being good enough in a team that isn't build around him?
If we somehow offload Rooney, he'd be a good fit though.
Do we need a marginally better alternative for Mata for a big money and a risk of not being good enough in a team that isn't build around him?
If we somehow offload Rooney, he'd be a good fit though.
His age isn't a big deal as he's a late bloomer, he's not got the miles on him, plus the way he's built is like an Iniesta or Scholes, he's more about skill and awareness than speed or athleticism. This is the 3rd time we've been linked with a move for him and it's possible Jose replaces Memphis with him.
His set pieces are the best in the world, every cross or shot is dangerous. That would bring a completely new dimension to our game, but with that being said I'm not sure there's a place for him, we have a lot of wingers / 10s.
Is it true that he has created the most chances in all the TOP 5 leagues in the world? I heard it on a couple of football shows and also on the Radio on the way into work.
If true it would be nice to have some chances created from the left and fire from both wings rather than being so lopsided.
If true it would be nice to have some chances created from the left and fire from both wings rather than being so lopsided.
Rooney is 31.....
Payet is 30 so I would be wary of a similar drop off in performance. The PL is becoming more and more an "athletes " arena so for anything north of 15m I wouldn't want (and we ain't getting him for that).
Scholes/Ibra etc etc are so much the exception these days. It used to be said that a players peak was 28-30, it's my view that that's now around 25-27.
Payet is 30 so I would be wary of a similar drop off in performance. The PL is becoming more and more an "athletes " arena so for anything north of 15m I wouldn't want (and we ain't getting him for that).
Scholes/Ibra etc etc are so much the exception these days. It used to be said that a players peak was 28-30, it's my view that that's now around 25-27.
Yes, it's true.
I would like to see what constitutes as a "chance creation" situation. A pass near the box or if it was the last touch of a ball before someone shoots (misses or scores)? Stats tend to be misleading.
If they are qualified and realistic chances then that is some impressive stuff for sure and something that is worth having. West hams strikers must be playing woefully to not be putting more of those away if that is the case. I think we should get him because why should they get to be the ones that squander all these chances when we can do at least as badly
I would like to see what constitutes as a "chance creation" situation. A pass near the box or if it was the last touch of a ball before someone shoots (misses or scores)? Stats tend to be misleading.
If they are qualified and realistic chances then that is some impressive stuff for sure and something that is worth having. West hams strikers must be playing woefully to not be putting more of those away if that is the case. I think we should get him because why should they get to be the ones that squander all these chances when we can do at least as badly
I'd imagine a lot of his created chances come from corners where its hard to direct headers on target, He whips in an incredible ball
Makes no sense and is bonkers reallly but it's hard to resist. Would love to see him lighting up a stage like Old Trafford.
Alright, mediocre then.
I would like to see what constitutes as a "chance creation" situation. A pass near the box or if it was the last touch of a ball before someone shoots (misses or scores)? Stats tend to be misleading.
If they are qualified and realistic chances then that is some impressive stuff for sure and something that is worth having. West hams strikers must be playing woefully to not be putting more of those away if that is the case. I think we should get him because why should they get to be the ones that squander all these chances when we can do at least as badly
Chances created, according to Opta's website, is defined as "assists plus Key passes" where a Key Pass is "the final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball having an attempt at goal without scoring"
Do you watch every match he plays? I have only seen him briefly on a highlights show so I can't say. Has he been that mediocre? I find it difficult to believe he has the highest chance creation in all top 5 world leagues (Unless it's a completely deceiving stat).
Wouldn't mind for anything below 20 mil, but since there's no chance of that, I'd pass. He has one of the best set piece delivery in PL, would be pleasant change for us to have a genuine threat from fk and corners. Haven't had that since Ronnie.
Based on what? If he is mediocre, all our current wingers would be below mediocre.
Ok I guess it would be a mixed bag then. So if a striker has a bad shot or shoots when he has not right shooting it adds to the stat? Perhaps if we could find out his figures for last season we could see that it was an actual trend and not just that his team mates were taking shots they should not have, if that makes sense?
He has 5 assists in 11 games this season. last year he created 4 chances per game, this year he creating 3.9 chances per game. So he is still quite good despite the season West Ham have so far.
The majority have come from crosses (he's created more chances from crosses than any other player in Europe's top 5 leagues this season). A large number do also come from corners though (he's 6th overall in that respect). Obviously stats are not the final word here, but it's hard to believe he wouldn't improve the potency of our attack should he join.
Good crosses and freekicks is something we are missing for years. For me it doesn't matter if the chances he creates are from open play or from corners, if we banging in more goals I'm happy.
Guaranteed if we sign him his free-kicks will start hitting the wall and his corners won't make it past the first man 
We've already got one fat oaf with a dodgy haircut
We've already got one fat oaf with a dodgy haircut
He's had his good season, hold tight and go out all guns for Griezmann in the summer, much better option.
Can't stand him and think he is massively overrated beyond being able to take set pieces.
That being said watch us spend 30 million on him now to replace Memphis on the bench.
That being said watch us spend 30 million on him now to replace Memphis on the bench.
The wide positions are already loaded with players and I think Martial and Mkhitaryan can perform better than him. Rooney has also impressed on the left and we have Rashford, Memphis, Young, Mata, Memphis and Lingard. The main prirority should be a strong centre back.
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Enjoying watching West ham fail. I remember some West ham fans telling me they wouldn't take £50 million in the summer
But then this time last year Mane was the typical big fish in a small pond who many on here thought would struggle on a bigger stage than Southampton. The only reason I'm against the signing is that it is too short term in nature which if we proceed with it would mean that we will need to replace Ibra, Rooney, Carrick, Valencia and Payet within the next 3 -4 summers, for a club still needing 2 or 3 key players thats not an ideal recruitment strategy.
I think we are better off loaning Depay out and investing in anither young winger who won't cost a lot such that a loan move for Depay might help him recover some confidence or help us salvage some value on him.
Yes please.
Payet is more like Nolito. Very skilled, but also very wasteful and selfish. Thats okay for a smaller team, but not really acceptable if you play for a top team.
He's been fairly great, started a little lukewarm but he's been class recently.
I'm not sure where the narrative came from that he's struggling in his second season here.
Saying that, I don't think your lot should go for him.
All you guys saying no no no, what are your reasons? Because he is old???
If anything we lack experience in the start 11. We have Ibra and Rooney that's it, Carrick doesn't start enough neither does that basti.
Payet crosses, Ibra goal. Simple as, he is the top 3 at set pieces and every cross is lethal. He's created the most chances this season in the prem, still has atleast 2 years plus at the top of his game, we can't say that for Memphis because he's a young player who might not ever succeed here. So you guys that say no because of age is a bit pathetic because some of these younger players don't even show up, how long did Anderson stay here for and we all know how that ended. Teddy came at 30/31 and won PFA award at 34 iirc with us.
I think it would be a a little stupid passing up on an opportunity to sign a great playmaker. It won't be £50m it will be in the £30 mill mark, would hate to see him at Chelsea or Arsenal.
If anything we lack experience in the start 11. We have Ibra and Rooney that's it, Carrick doesn't start enough neither does that basti.
Payet crosses, Ibra goal. Simple as, he is the top 3 at set pieces and every cross is lethal. He's created the most chances this season in the prem, still has atleast 2 years plus at the top of his game, we can't say that for Memphis because he's a young player who might not ever succeed here. So you guys that say no because of age is a bit pathetic because some of these younger players don't even show up, how long did Anderson stay here for and we all know how that ended. Teddy came at 30/31 and won PFA award at 34 iirc with us.
I think it would be a a little stupid passing up on an opportunity to sign a great playmaker. It won't be £50m it will be in the £30 mill mark, would hate to see him at Chelsea or Arsenal.
Occasionally wasteful I will give you, but I'm unsure about the concept of a player who simply will not stop 'selfishly' creating chances for his teammates.
It's laughable. Just because they beat Utd last season and moved into a big stadium they decided they were a massive club. Spouting nonsense about attracting CL quality strikers and getting rejected by all of them. They have been trash this season and are a very unlikable club.
What I meant was a winger with pace like Mane. Payet doesn't fit that bill.
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Times have changed since then, every ten years or so there has been a real step up in intensity in the PL.
Absolutely. Pace gets overstated a lot but a 3 behind the striker of Payet, Mata and Mhiki would be very hard to pull off, none of them are players who'll stretch the pitch, or keep the defense pinned by making off the ball runs.
A winger in the ilk of Mane would be very useful for United, I think it would help a couple of United players to have the added option of an attacking speedster with end product on one of the flanks.