Paulo Dybala
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He really, really doesn’t want to come here does he
Of course he doesn't, this meeting which he wants with Sarri has been coming up ever since rumors started to surface. He's desperate to stay there, this meeting is hail mary for him.
Not sure how I feel about signing a player like that, this could end up horribly.
The issue by all accounts isn't with Sarri. The board and higher ups want him gone, and Sarri is agreeing with them. He's not going to go against his bosses within the first 2 months of being there. If Dybala refuses to go, then he's going to be singled out for a really tough time and sold at the earliest opportunity, most likely for much less than they could get for him now (valued around £70m - £80m).Any chance this whole Dybala swap deal is a Raiola & Juve ploy?
The swap tanks just before the bell. Dybala stays & Sarri smoothes things out with him.
Lukaku is stuck at United & is thought a lesson for ditching the Fatman's agency.
Juve troll Inter/Conte hard as they don't get the striker they're after in time for the deadline. Probably lose Icardi too (maybe to Juve!).
Meanwhile, United are shown what happens when they mess with Fatman & would be more open to letting his number 1 client leave for Madrid the next time they call.
Surely I'm overthinking this. This unbelievable swap deal is going to happen right?
In all honesty, he hasn't got a choice in the matter, it's leave now and play, or stay and rot. it's a horrible situation for him to be in at the moment.
He's probably in shock with it all. He ended the season with pretty much all being well, then, likely without his knowledge, was told that he's not wanted. It's kinda like being with your partner of 4 years, all was going well, then you hit a rough patch (his bad season). You feel like you've worked it out and go on holiday with the lads. Whilst you're away, completely out of the blue whilst you're under the impression that all is well and good, your partner texts your brother saying that your relationship is over and they want you out of the house as they've found someone new who they want to move in, but don't worry, they've found you someone else to be with. You can either take the risk, go and be with this new person and possibly be happy, or stay, risk the anger of your now ex partner and be at their mercy until someone else comes along for you. When you think of it like that, you can kinda understand how annoyed and upset he must feel
Dybala, and his image rights and the wage cut if no champs league. Don't include the wage cut but don't disclose it and make sure he keeps quiet or the contract changes that it will include a 30% cut if no champs league
I am saying if we can't get Dybala, then selling Lukaku at this stage will do us no good, unless we are buying Bruno, but that still makes us weaker overall. We are not going to suddenly go buy another striker from out of the blue, not with how our transfers go and 5 days to the window closing. If you think United are going to take that 70m and invest in another top striker I think you will be sadly disappointed.
I can't tell if Dybala wants to meet with Sarri on Monday or not or if he has decided he's not wanted already.
Just out of interest where did these Romano quotes come from,only ask because his last tweet on the deal was saying no agreement had been reached yet due to issues with salary and image rights.
Just out of interest where did these Romano quotes come from,only ask because his last tweet on the deal was saying no agreement had been reached yet due to issues with salary and image rights.
If he is played at 10 and pogba deep position, they would get into each other ' s spaces just like we argued with Sanchez case, and pogba won't be happy in a deep role while he is clueless defensively and positionally in that role,
If 433 is deployed and Dybala plays a right wing, its not his best position, but can play there.
Also Players like Matic and fred Doesn't suit 2 man system if they have to play when called if they have to play alongside pogba.
Dybala will surely be curious of what his role would be in the team.
Almost feels like Juve are going to force Sarri to stick to the script.
Any chance this whole Dybala swap deal is a Raiola & Juve ploy?
The swap tanks just before the bell. Dybala stays & Sarri smoothes things out with him.
Lukaku is stuck at United & is thought a lesson for ditching the Fatman's agency.
Juve troll Inter/Conte hard as they don't get the striker they're after in time for the deadline. Probably lose Icardi too (maybe to Juve!).
Meanwhile, United are shown what happens when they mess with Fatman & would be more open to letting his number 1 client leave for Madrid the next time they call.
Surely I'm overthinking this. This unbelievable swap deal is going to happen right?
Considering the amount of money we've given to Raiola in the past few years, it would be quite short-sighted of him if he wanted to burn that bridge.
I certainly think Ole will want him at the club and rates him as a player. But after such a positive pre season with a specific preferred system, it would be a shame if a talismanic new signing doesn't fit that system.
We have fixed RB and CB and bought James to give us an option out wide. Reckon we are waiting for Sancho next summer to fix RW. That leaves MF as our main weakness. Yeah we could address that before Dybala i agree, but when you get a chance to offload a player like Lukaku who we don't want and can get a player like Dybala to immediately replace him then it's a no brainer in my book. I just don't see Rashford or Martial giving us the returns we need but having Dybala can certainly help them more than Lukaku. All the pessimists with their "it's Di Maria MK2!" are wide off the mark in my book.
If Sarri really wants Lukaku, he'll fine Dybala 2 weeks wages for no reason.
That's how I got rid of players who wanted to stay on old FM's
Ha! I did the same!
Nor me. I want someone who will put 100% in and 100% wants to be here like the last 3 signings, and not be bleating he has been forced here. We had this with ADM and how did that suck?
Can Juve afford to pay us cash if Dybala rejects us? Mandzukic will most likely cost 10-15M while we probably value Lukaku at 70-75M
It seems fairly obvious when I write it, but ultimately I guess it just boils down to whether we think Lukaku or Dybala will be more useful for us next season onwards. Its hard to say with certainty that either of them will be truly successful, but I feel like Dybala is more suited to the sort of system and team we will want to use.
There are big question marks over whether he will be able to deliver though, given how he is effectively being forced out of Juve and by all accounts, doesnt really want to come to England or United.
There are big question marks over whether he will be able to deliver though, given how he is effectively being forced out of Juve and by all accounts, doesnt really want to come to England or United.
That sucked because of how shite our team was, go back and look at the teamsheets and watch some old replays. Di Maria was a twunt in the first place, yeah I would not say we shouldnt be wary, but I personally don't want to see balls bouncing off Lukaku again, or him tripping over another pass.
He's a player that's happy where he is and had no intention of leaving. In addition to that, the club he is playing for is one of Europe's elites and, unlike some others (us) is currently demonstrating their level. They've invested heavily and are aiming to win the CL. He's also paid handsomely by them.
This isn't like a player hoping to make the step up to a bigger club - he's already there. It's easy to 'want to play for United', when you're currently at a lesser club, but for players from Juve, Barca, Real, Bayern etc the player is obviously going to need to consider it. And let's not forget how quickly this has seemingly come about. From all reports Dybala had no idea he wasn't wanted until recently.
IMO him refusing to give us green light is not about not wanting to get here is not even about wanting to stay at Juve at all costs.
It s like you have a girl and its not working with you two and you are miserable. You are out for few Days and First Thing you know after coming back is That she wants you out cause she found some big fella from Belgium that you know is worst than you. Even when you know you are terrible together at first you don't want to split like that and need few days to realized that is for The best. Even when hotter and better chick is waiting around the corner(not saying utd at the moment are better, just that in that moment it's not about whats next it doesn't matter)), at first being dumped like that hurts. After a while you can think straight.
Now think about the fact that till few days ago in Dybala's head everything was OK between him and old lady. So unless you are heartless and take that kind of information, like hmm OK, see You around bitch it is absolutely normal behavior to process that situation. Give him few more days and he will welcome the idea of coming to United with his argentinian Heart
It s like you have a girl and its not working with you two and you are miserable. You are out for few Days and First Thing you know after coming back is That she wants you out cause she found some big fella from Belgium that you know is worst than you. Even when you know you are terrible together at first you don't want to split like that and need few days to realized that is for The best. Even when hotter and better chick is waiting around the corner(not saying utd at the moment are better, just that in that moment it's not about whats next it doesn't matter)), at first being dumped like that hurts. After a while you can think straight.
Now think about the fact that till few days ago in Dybala's head everything was OK between him and old lady. So unless you are heartless and take that kind of information, like hmm OK, see You around bitch it is absolutely normal behavior to process that situation. Give him few more days and he will welcome the idea of coming to United with his argentinian Heart
No they dont have the cash, unless they can sell him to Inter, only Inter have the cash from what we have seen. If we wait though we will end up after the transfer window with Lukaku whinging and get 60m for him, and we end up with no replecement until next year.
Im mainly talking about buying a player who really doesnt want to come. We dont want to get to Xmas thinking we may as well kept Lukaku.
1. Best league in europe
2. The weather doesn’t seem to matter to the majority of foreign players playing for City and Utd.
3. False 9 or an interchanging front 3 with Martial and Rashford
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I think many people seem to assume that if Dybala refuses to go, Juventus will just never use him or banish him out of the squad. So therefore he will just accept it and leave. The former is never happening. No chance.
It's 60-40 IMO that he stays, he just does not seem that keen on it. Few variables here - his family, no UCL, the fact he doesn't want to go, the weather, the lifestyle.
It would not shock me one little bit if by the end of August Mandzukic and Lukaku swap, Icardi and Dybala swap. This Utd deal hinges entirely on him, anything Juve tell him IMO will be irrelevant, because they cannot "force" him to leave
It's 60-40 IMO that he stays, he just does not seem that keen on it. Few variables here - his family, no UCL, the fact he doesn't want to go, the weather, the lifestyle.
It would not shock me one little bit if by the end of August Mandzukic and Lukaku swap, Icardi and Dybala swap. This Utd deal hinges entirely on him, anything Juve tell him IMO will be irrelevant, because they cannot "force" him to leave
Don't think Dybala is coming here. Inter will come back into the fold with another offer next week.???
I understand that and I agree with you on most points. However we have to plan ruthlessly ourselves, if he does not want to come then stay there and try to move where you want, while Juventus can have Lukaku if they pay the full price and we have time to bring in a replacement.
i get the feeling dybala doesnt really want to come here to play for you, but i still think lukaku goes and mandzukic arrives regardless
inter have been priced out. It's either dybala or Lukaku rides the bench for a season.
What does it mean?
Seems unlikely
Why would Juve sign Icardi and Lukaku?
Inter don't have the cash either, and they have to watch the FFP rule. Probably be a player plus cash exchange also.
Why we in for
Why we are in for a 33 year old player, when its clearly the opposite of what Ole said he wanted is beyond me. Are we really that bad off that we couldnt find another younger agile striker anywhere? I get why we need one as Martial and Rashford too inconsistant in front of goal. Greenwood is still too raw at the top level.
One shitshow after another, must admit, its actually incredible on so many levels, how we menage to do these things.
The thing i don't understand is that they're reporting that Juve are selling Dybala because they need the cash... but they're offering a straight swap, meaning they won't actually get any cash for him??
I get that too. I don't think it would unreasonable for us to set a deadline (especially with the window closing so soon). I just think Dybala is one of those signings that you aren't planning for but try to capitalise on when it becomes clear that there's a possibility. Therefore I don't think we're in a rush. I don't think we were looking for a 10 or second striker but changed tack when Dybala suddenly became a possibility. So if Dybala doesn't join I don't see us going for option B.
well they will be Mandzukic short, and Moise Kean short leaving them possibly needing 2
With Pogba seemingly staying for another year it might seem good to bring his friend in, it could go amazingly well but we could be pouring more petrol. We have to be going really well for Pogba to stay a second year.
Can you imagine if we're outside the top 4 after Christmas, the chatter in dressing with Paul looking to be off, his friend Dybala will be wanting to flee. They'll be so much speculation of double swoops, fire sales.
This is the problem. Madrid have just as shite season as we do but finish a comfortable third while we're sixth.
I'm willing to take the gamble but we're always looking for the fast turnaround up to the top.
Can you imagine if we're outside the top 4 after Christmas, the chatter in dressing with Paul looking to be off, his friend Dybala will be wanting to flee. They'll be so much speculation of double swoops, fire sales.
This is the problem. Madrid have just as shite season as we do but finish a comfortable third while we're sixth.
I'm willing to take the gamble but we're always looking for the fast turnaround up to the top.
So Dybala wants to chat with Sarri, yet this WHOLE thing was started by Sarri's alleged media mouth piece saying Dybala does not have a role in his squad.
:d i noticed that too. Forgetting that they'll sell Khedira likely, Kean is off for best part of £40m. Cancelo will bring in £30m roughly, Because his deal with City is Danilo plus cash
Don't think its come up mate.
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