Do the managers ever meet new signings during negotiations? If I was a new signing I'd be more interested especially in this sort of scenario if Ole met me personally and explained how I fitted into his plans than just Ed and Co going through the logistical side. I'm sure it's the sort of thing Ole would do but I'm guessing it's moved on now from managers being present at these sorts of meetings.
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Robben wasn't too happy about going to Bayern back then.
"Robben revealed that it was especially difficult to move to Bavaria given that Bayern Munich were not a top club at the time, having not made a Champions League semi-final appearance in eight years."
"It was a difficult decision, the most difficult one of my career," he explained.
"Bayern were not among the European elite at that moment and it was a step back for me."
https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2017/01/02/586a2ff3e5fdea97448b45b3.html
Worked out extremely well for him and Bayern.
Sneijder was sad to leave as well.
"What happened with me is very strange," said Sneijder. "They [Real Madrid] treated me very badly but to tell the truth I would prefer not to talk about it.
"I am going to a great club, of that I have no doubt. I am very sad to leave but that's the way it is."
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/aug/27/wesley-sneijder-real-madrid-football-transfer-inter
A cloud that literally has a silver lining to the tune of an extra £100k per week
I think the point that most negative posters are missing is that IF (big if) everything next season goes well and we get back to pushing the top two places, possibly knock over the european cup, do well in league and FA cups, then Pogba, Dybala and everyone else will be super positive and loving life at Utd, if we fall short and are generally underwhelming then that is when the cracks will appear, and players like Dybala and Pogba are the cracks that are waiting to happen.
But tell ya what lets give this guy a fair crack of the whip
It rarely goes badly though which is why people are basically only mentioning Di Maria when it's something that happens a lot in the football world. I could continue and mention Eto'o or Makélélé. Now I could actually mention a high profile player that didn't want to move like Falcao who decided to engineer a transfer at the first opportunity which was a mistake that United and Chelsea paid more than Monaco did but to be fair to him, he is still a decent guy and admitted that he made a mistake at the time.
Thing with ADM that people forget is that he started well enough, actually really well, then his house got burgled and his wife/family were not happy to stay in Manchester.... if things off the field had gone differently then who knows what ADM would have done here
This is an Angel Di Maria mess all over again!
PLEASE let the man stay put!
https://www.skysports.com/football/...its-he-never-wanted-to-join-manchester-united
PLEASE let the man stay put!
https://www.skysports.com/football/...its-he-never-wanted-to-join-manchester-united
The most important question is: Do we want another player that does not want to be here?
If their heart is not with us then they can go to hell. Bruno would be a much better player.
If their heart is not with us then they can go to hell. Bruno would be a much better player.
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Plus after the 5-3 defeat to Leicester LVG decided we would never play attacking football again
Being sad to leave is not the same as being sad to join.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/bay...-to-buy-arjen-robben-from-real-madrid.265348/
Robben had his choice of clubs, and made a choice. That's the word Robben himself used.
Same with Sneijder.
Being a makeweight in the Lukaku deal means that Dybala has no choice. Obviously, if Dybala was being forced to go to a club he wanted to join, it wouldn't be as much of a problem. But as I said, there are reports which suggest he doesn't want to come England and he doesn't want to come to United.
From the outside, it looks like it's a forced marriage with someone he doesn't have any interest in.
Di Maria comparisons are lazy in my opinion. Many, many times players have been not needed for whatever reason who have gone onto do really well. It happens to the greats too :Pirlo, zlatan fro example.
Van Gaal never helped him settle and played him in random positions which didn’t help. Obviously his house was broken into too. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out out.
Trading lukaku for dybala is a complete no brainer.
Van Gaal never helped him settle and played him in random positions which didn’t help. Obviously his house was broken into too. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out out.
Trading lukaku for dybala is a complete no brainer.
There's been no reliable report that Dybala would be sad to join.
I've used the word 'if' numerous times, and couched every post with conditionals.
And this is the transfer window. There are no reliable reports of anything. Only discussions about speculation.
This isn't like FIFA where the players are just a collection of polygons with attributes. Dybala's feelings about United, Manchester and England need to be taken into account.
Are you really explaining that Dybala is sad to join United? Really?
Fair enough.
I'm saying I don't want him if he is.
He's caught between a rock and a hard place right now. If he sees signing for United as the lesser of two evils, it won't work out.
Has anyone mentioned about Argentines and Di Maria yet?
Once he gets here it won’t matter. He’s joining the EPL from Serie A the quality in football alone will appease any ‘quality’ player.
ADM might have stayed if LVG didn't give him a tough time and didn't drop him, he just didn't fit his possession style and kept losing it running into traffic hence dropped and didn't settle.
He just needs a cuddle and some fish n chips.
After that he will be chomping at the bit to get here.
Never fear...
5/5 goodnight
After that he will be chomping at the bit to get here.
Never fear...
5/5 goodnight
Di Marzio's update last night suggests they are focusing on image rights etc. I've never heard a deal collapsing for us when a credible source has mentioned the negotiations were at the level of image rights. It's just a waiting game now.
Just give him what he wants and get him to sign a non disclosure agreement, we can release the fake contract and keep the secret one locked away.
So if we are to believe the reports, Juve offered Lukaku the contract he wanted on day 1?
If he’s that opposed to the move then he’ll tell his agent to find him a team that he wants to join! If he’s just ok about it, it comes down to professionalism and pride to perform the best of his ability! I don’t understand how any player - earning god knows how many millions year- can give anything less than 100% effort and focus!
I am genuinely concerned that, at some point, Juve will realise what they're doing and snap out of this. The guy can score goals, given plenty of service. That we know. But the point was about him being a target man to allow Ronaldo to score more. He's not that player. If anything, Lukaku needs a presence alongside to allow him to succeed.
Can't. He's a makeweight in the Lukaku deal.
Well he kind of can. I mean Juve have told him he is not wanted. European transfer window stays open another month. He can easily start to act up, refuse to train push for a move somewhere else. Would do well at Bayern I think on the right
It is worth people pointing out that other players pushed out at least had a chance to see who wants them and then accept the situation and appreciate the clubs offers and make a go of it at the one you chosen. This move is just convenient for Juve.
Dybala would like to see who would come in for him at 80 million then Juve give us that for Lukaku or other striker. Perhaps even wait till Jan or next summer.
If you're Dybala, you'd think a club in a better position would be interested.
The biggest problem we'll have if he comes is next summer. Tons of speculation as clubs will be caught cold by Dybala going this summer in a rushed swap before the 8th of August. If he's still settling here and a club like Madrid come in with a dirty low ball offer we could find ourselves letting him go, taking a loss overall (he's the Lukaku 80 million asset) and paying over the odds for another striker. It would be good to get a striker under normal conditions.
I've been thrilled and excited and hopeful he'll come. I'm sure he'll be professional but could still want to move in 12 months to a continental club under no threat of not finishing out the top 4.
Dybala would like to see who would come in for him at 80 million then Juve give us that for Lukaku or other striker. Perhaps even wait till Jan or next summer.
If you're Dybala, you'd think a club in a better position would be interested.
The biggest problem we'll have if he comes is next summer. Tons of speculation as clubs will be caught cold by Dybala going this summer in a rushed swap before the 8th of August. If he's still settling here and a club like Madrid come in with a dirty low ball offer we could find ourselves letting him go, taking a loss overall (he's the Lukaku 80 million asset) and paying over the odds for another striker. It would be good to get a striker under normal conditions.
I've been thrilled and excited and hopeful he'll come. I'm sure he'll be professional but could still want to move in 12 months to a continental club under no threat of not finishing out the top 4.
And then we pull the plug on Lukaku, which doesn’t benefit Juventus.
I heard he can't stand the thought of coming to Manchester and he hates rain. Few drops and he's crazy.
I dont buy it that he had no clue he wasnt wanted. Surely Juve would let him and his agent know that he is on the market before the season ended. There was so much speculation about him a few months back of leaving and Juve buying Felix to replace him.
Maybe he is surprised getting treated like this and was hopeful of winning them over, but surely he got some sings and hints, but didnt realise it could turn out ugly or this desperate. His agent said also he will look for a move, which dybala squashed afterwards
Maybe he is surprised getting treated like this and was hopeful of winning them over, but surely he got some sings and hints, but didnt realise it could turn out ugly or this desperate. His agent said also he will look for a move, which dybala squashed afterwards
Di maria always wanted to go to PSG and psg were also after di maria and if not for ffp regulation they would have bought him that summer itself.
In dybala's case neither barca or real want him and so far PSG has also not shown any interest so in this case he will not have much choice but to join United. So his mind will be completely on united. Had barca lurking then it would have been a different matter but I feel dybala would love working for Ole as he would make sure to have dybala near the goal which is where he thrives in.
In dybala's case neither barca or real want him and so far PSG has also not shown any interest so in this case he will not have much choice but to join United. So his mind will be completely on united. Had barca lurking then it would have been a different matter but I feel dybala would love working for Ole as he would make sure to have dybala near the goal which is where he thrives in.
Why will Dybala care about that?
Now he seemingly knows he is 'transfer listed' I imagine his agent(s) is touting to all and sundry - which will be fair enough.
Didn't di Maria almost contribute towards 18 or 19 goals that season? If we get Dybala and his output is similar, we'll be good for fourth or more.
Yep. He was actually the highest assister in the league for ages until he stopped playing regularly. He had like 12 assists which was the highest in the team all season I believe.
People forget he played in a team that was pretty rubbish. Had no balance and zero pace.
We were playing a 3-5-2 with Di Maria in CM with an aging RVP, Falcao and Rooney ahead of him. Zero pace. The back 5 was regularly Evans, Blackett
Borthwick-Jackson I think we all forget just how poor it was at times. No wonder Di Maria going from that Real Madrid side to us just thought what the hell is this?
Is it still realistic for us to get both him and Fernandes. Seen on SSN that Spurs are now likely to get Fernandes then read reports it depends on what happens to Eriksen, and also seen reports that Fernandes will sign for United after the Benfica game on Saturday. I can see the Dybala deal going through in the next few days, it seems Juve don't want him an it's down to us to convince him now.
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