Paulo Dybala

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Once he gets here, the stadium, the facilities and the fans will sway him providing others don't poison his mind first.

My worry is more for Mata, Lingard etc... signed up to contracts and really should not get a sniff as long as Dybala is fit
 
Aye, even for me who is a massive fan of Dybala since his Palermo days, it is definitely worrying IF he is being so much pushed into the deal.

If it happens, let's hope he is one of those who will get motivated and with a point to prove.
 
This smacks of someone only joining for a big paycheck. We've had plenty of those lately and look where it got us.

People complain about the transfer fees for UK players, but at least it's not wages like this plus you usually know you'll get 100%.
 
Darkhorsez said:
I am not so sure. Di Maria really started well for us - then his house was broken into - that’s really bad. Also by all accounts, he has a much stronger mentality and ethics than Di Maria. Here’s hoping and here’s to him actually coming to us!
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Add to that the LVG factor. He wasn’t the type of manager who would put a arm around a player which is the type of player di Maria is.

Everyone keeps peddling that narrative that Dybala doesn’t want to come here but I think the reluctance (which none of us know is actually occurring) is down to being settled in Italy. If he didn’t want to come I don’t think he would have sent his agent to negotiate terms
 
Dante said:
Exactly this.

If he'd jumped at the chance to sign for Ole from the beginning, I would have loved him. As it is, it looks like he'll come to United kicking and screaming.

It's a fairly standard thing to say that players underperform when they want to leave a club or because they're not happy. That's where the idea of player power comes from. It would be a massive risk to bring in a player who has that feeling from day one. As you say, United made the same mistake with di Maria.
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We have no idea what's going through his mind. He seems settled in Italy and just found out about a potential move to another country and culture a few days ago so it's unlikely he was going to make a snap decision. We can draw parallels to the Di Maria situation but their characters are not the same.
 
ScarleyUtd said:
This smacks of someone only joining for a big paycheck. We've had plenty of those lately and look where it got us.

People complain about the transfer fees for UK players, but at least it's not wages like this plus you usually know you'll get 100%.
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only joining for a big paycheck? Mate, he arrived for work, his boss told him to get the feck out of the club, the club told him to get a deal done with MUFC because they were the only team in negiotiations.

Whom else was he supposed to negotiate with? If the reports are correct, Juve have literally told him, either join united or don't expect to play for us.
 
sugar_kane said:
Also I genuinely don’t think we should be signing any player who a club so publicly wants rid of - there always has to be a reason

We had to prise AWB and Maguire away from their clubs. Those are the sorts of players you want to be signing.
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We all blame the board for not going after Sneijder and Robben when Real Madrid drove them out in 2009, though.
 
Even though I wish our squad management was more like Juve's, because they wouldn't tolerate sh*t like Lingard, Matic, Bailly or Fred on their payroll... their treatment of Dybala is outright shocking!

It's understandable they want to support manager's tactics and there's no position for Paulo there, but why bully the lad like this? Works for us though, I believe he'll be a United player soon. Hopefully Paulo won't be traumatised much:(
 
WPMUFC said:
only joining for a big paycheck? Mate, he arrived for work, his boss told him to get the feck out of the club, the club told him to get a deal done with MUFC because they were the only team in negiotiations.

Whom else was he supposed to negotiate with? If the reports are correct, Juve have literally told him, either join united or don't expect to play for us.
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I'm not defending Juve. But it's still £350,000 a week as quoted in some places. The two are separate issues in my mind.
 
OneUnited24 said:
Add to that the LVG factor. He wasn’t the type of manager who would put a arm around a player which is the type of player di Maria is.

Everyone keeps peddling that narrative that Dybala doesn’t want to come here but I think the reluctance (which none of us know is actually occurring) is down to being settled in Italy. If he didn’t want to come I don’t think he would have sent his agent to negotiate terms
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Yeah - forgot that too.
 
Halal Jalal said:
Even though I wish our squad management was more like Juve's, because they wouldn't tolerate sh*t like Lingard, Matic, Bailly or Fred on their payroll... their treatment of Dybala is outright shocking!

It's understandable they want to support manager's tactics and there's no position for Paulo there, but why bully the lad like this? Works for us though, I believe he'll be a United player soon. Hopefully Paulo won't be traumatised much:(
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lets not forget that Conte basically sacked Costa by text message. I don't think we really hear even half the shady/unethical employment practices that go on in clubs.
 
I agree with @tenpoless and @Dante . It seems like he is being forced out and has no desire to come here or to the PL particularly. That’s fair enough and it’s his prerogative, but I can’t say I am hyped over the prospect of him joining.

Our record with “big name” signings is atrocious and I really don’t think Dybala will be the one to buck the trend, based on the situation so far.
 
It's a no brainer really. Turin doesn't have a drive through Greggs. Pack your bags son.
 
Darkhorsez said:
I am not so sure. Di Maria really started well for us - then his house was broken into - that’s really bad. Also by all accounts, he has a much stronger mentality and ethics than Di Maria. Here’s hoping and here’s to him actually coming to us!
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Also Di Maria had never scored more than 7 goals in the league in a season before he joined us. I have no idea what people really expected from him.

Since going to PSG he's clearly scored more but in a very weak league.
 
Wonder what the old ladies wage structure is currently looking like with Ramsey, Rabiot, Ronaldo and DeLigt on it. adding Rom and getting rid of Dybala probably not going to make that much of a difference as I;d imagine they are on the same wages but I’m guessing Higuain is on a bit as well.

Dybala as far as I’m aware has always said if there is one club he would want to play for it would Barca. As for haggling over image rights I’m sure Ronaldo and Rooney had something like 40% and with Dybala being an Adidas footballer and them being our sponsors there is probably serious money to be made for both there.

DiMarzio is still saying we are close to signing Bruno which I find a little weird.
 
Dante said:
Exactly this.

If he'd jumped at the chance to sign for Ole from the beginning, I would have loved him. As it is, it looks like he'll come to United kicking and screaming.

It's a fairly standard thing to say that players underperform when they want to leave a club or because they're not happy. That's where the idea of player power comes from. It would be a massive risk to bring in a player who has that feeling from day one. As you say, United made the same mistake with di Maria.
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You will never ever find a player who will “jump on a chance” to move from one of the best clubs in the world to a seriously struggling club which has been a laughing stock for the last 6 years with an unproven manager right now. They need to be convinced we are going to be better and honestly it is not an easy task seeing how we fail year after year. We are in no situation right now to move away from players who are not desperate to join us, we must throw money at them because that's the only way we can sign quality players right now as there are much better destinations for them than us.
 
I don’t see why people are overly bothered about him taking time to make a decision.

He’s a human being and he’s being told he has to move to a new country at short notice, with vastly different climate, culture and language, away from his friends.

Every single person here would take a while to think about that, why should someone who just happens to be a footballer be different.

ADM has caused some serious psychological scarring.
 
Jim Beam said:
Aye, even for me who is a massive fan of Dybala since his Palermo days, it is definitely worrying IF he is being so much pushed into the deal.

If it happens, let's hope he is one of those who will get motivated and with a point to prove.
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I think it’s solely down to Sarri and the type of forward he wants.

If Juventus decides Lukaku is the perfect striker for them and we’ve come back said that you either pay us the £80 million or we will have Dybala in return, then they may have decided that Dybala isn’t essential to their plans going forward and that financially it makes more sense for them.
 
It's probably come as a shock to him that Juventus are telling to bugger off.

He won't come here and sulk about.

There's plenty of players who were forced out by clubs and joined a new one and played EVEN BETTER.

Not everyone is a Di Maria.
 
gormless said:
I don’t see why people are overly bothered about him taking time to make a decision.

He’s a human being and he’s being told he has to move to a new country at short notice, with vastly different climate, culture and language, away from his friends.

Every single person here would take a while to think about that, why should someone who just happens to be a footballer be different.

ADM has caused some serious psychological scarring.
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this thread is mental. The dude was probably relaxing on some beach, he finds out that he's being forced to make a career and life altering decision (probably found out via the media first as well), and people's first reactions on here are "well he doesn't sound too happy, why isn't he praising Ole"

WHAT THE feck!!! :lol::wenger:
 
Dante said:
Exactly this.

If he'd jumped at the chance to sign for Ole from the beginning, I would have loved him. As it is, it looks like he'll come to United kicking and screaming.

It's a fairly standard thing to say that players underperform when they want to leave a club or because they're not happy. That's where the idea of player power comes from. It would be a massive risk to bring in a player who has that feeling from day one. As you say, United made the same mistake with di Maria.
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You have to be realistic! Is any player that’s playing for a world famous iconic club that’s guaranteed league titles and Champions League matches going to jump at the chance of joining a team that has been in transition/ turmoil for the past 7 years?

Of course not- but not every player is as unprofessional and mentally weak as ADM was and spends a year sulking and generally not giving a feck! Hopefully he’ll see this as a great opportunity to prove to the world what a class player he is and help us back to the top echelons of the game!
 
Walrus said:
I agree with @tenpoless and @Dante . It seems like he is being forced out and has no desire to come here or to the PL particularly. That’s fair enough and it’s his prerogative, but I can’t say I am hyped over the prospect of him joining.

Our record with “big name” signings is atrocious and I really don’t think Dybala will be the one to buck the trend, based on the situation so far.
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Aye. I'd welcome him here with open arms but I won't place any expectations on him. Much more hyped about Bruno and really hope he joins as well (or just him if it's one or the other).
 
Zed 101 said:
Once he gets here, the stadium, the facilities and the fans will sway him providing others don't poison his mind first.

My worry is more for Mata, Lingard etc... signed up to contracts and really should not get a sniff as long as Dybala is fit
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OT is becoming old and we overrate it I think. Also, "Theatre of Dreams" is a bit cringeworthy these days for such an old stadium. Not sure it's the draw you suggest. Some of the fans in it, but that's a small group really - the rest have come for a performance. That's not something I think matches up well with the new albeit smaller Juve stadium.
 
I still don't understand why Juventus are doing all this to get fecking Lukaku.

Lukaku??!?!

Are they thinking of a different Lukaku?
 
Of course Dybala will look for as strong a contract as possible, he has been shafted by Juve but that doesn't mean he will be unprofessional. My hope is he looks at this as having a point to prove and elevates United to being contenders.

As for complaining about salaries, transfer and agent fees I wonder are the people complaining about these the same people who lamented us missing out on Hazard by not paying agent fees.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Wonder what the old ladies wage structure is currently looking like with Ramsey, Rabiot, Ronaldo and DeLigt on it. adding Rom and getting rid of Dybala probably not going to make that much of a difference as I;d imagine they are on the same wages but I’m guessing Higuain is on a bit as well.

Dybala as far as I’m aware has always said if there is one club he would want to play for it would Barca. As for haggling over image rights I’m sure Ronaldo and Rooney had something like 40% and with Dybala being an Adidas footballer and them being our sponsors there is probably serious money to be made for both there.

DiMarzio is still saying we are close to signing Bruno which I find a little weird.
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They're looking at losing Mandzukic, Dybala, Higuain and Cancelo off their wage bill, should even it out a bit.
 
WPMUFC said:
this thread is mental. The dude was probably relaxing on some beach, he finds out that he's being forced to make a career and life altering decision (probably found out via the media first as well), and people's first reactions on here are "well he doesn't sound too happy, why isn't he praising Ole"

WHAT THE feck!!! :lol::wenger:
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I have decided to ignore their comments. Can't help them if they aren't willing to use their brain. :lol:
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
It's probably come as a shock to him that Juventus are telling to bugger off.

He won't come here and sulk about.

There's plenty of players who were forced out by clubs and joined a new one and played EVEN BETTER.

Not everyone is a Di Maria.
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Robben for example.
 
Dante said:
Exactly this.

I he'd jumped at the chance to sign for Ole from the beginning, I would have loved him. As it is, it looks like he'll come to United kicking and screaming.

It's a fairly standard thing to say that players underperform when they want to leave a club or because they're not happy. That's where the idea of player power comes from. It would be a massive risk to bring in a player who has that feeling from day one. As you say, United made the same mistake with di Maria.
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No offence to Ole, but what top player would? Don’t think AWB,Maguire are joining because of the lure of working with OGS.
 
Renegade said:
No offence to Ole, but what top player would? Don’t think AWB,Maguire are joining because of the lure of working with OGS.
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See the two players you mention there might just do that seeing as what OGS achieved as a player for a club in this country but yeah the likes of Dybala won't be signing just to play under him you wouldn't think.
 
sugar_kane said:
Also I genuinely don’t think we should be signing any player who a club so publicly wants rid of - there always has to be a reason

We had to prise AWB and Maguire away from their clubs. Those are the sorts of players you want to be signing.
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I'm not worried about that aspect. Juve are just being ruthless, Sarri want's a big man to lead the line and he needs to raise the funds for him and Dybala is the natural choice as he will be too much of a luxury player to keep for the bench.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
It's probably come as a shock to him that Juventus are telling to bugger off.

He won't come here and sulk about.

There's plenty of players who were forced out by clubs and joined a new one and played EVEN BETTER.

Not everyone is a Di Maria.
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Thiago Silva and Ibrahimovic are examples, they both wanted to stay with Milan and they were both told to leave. Robben and Sneijder are other examples or even Cantona with all his french clubs.
 
sugar_kane said:
Also I genuinely don’t think we should be signing any player who a club so publicly wants rid of - there always has to be a reason

We had to prise AWB and Maguire away from their clubs. Those are the sorts of players you want to be signing.
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Real pushed out Robben and Sneijder in 2009.

If we signed both, we have 1 more Prem title at least and potentially another CL.

Sometimes clubs force out players to focus on newer players for the 'shine'.
 
Thiagoal said:
You have to be realistic! Is any player that’s playing for a world famous iconic club that’s guaranteed league titles and Champions League matches going to jump at the chance of joining a team that has been in transition/ turmoil for the past 7 years?

Of course not- but not every player is as unprofessional and mentally weak as ADM was and spends a year sulking and generally not giving a feck! Hopefully he’ll see this as a great opportunity to prove to the world what a class player he is and help us back to the top echelons of the game!
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There's a range between 'jumping at the chance' through 'being happy about the move' to 'going on strike'.

If Dybala is positive about the deal, then we're good to go.

But there have been reports he doesn't want to come, and now that he's been forced to train alone. That's a effectively his team punishing him. It's easy to sumise that the punishment is because he's not toeing the line with Juve's wishes. If that's the case, he's more likely to be negative about the deal, than not.
 
Dante said:
There's a range between 'jumping at the chance' through 'being happy about the move' to 'going on strike'.

If Dybala is positive about the deal, then we're good to go.

But there have been reports he doesn't want to come, and now that he's been forced to train alone. That's a effectively his team punishing him. It's easy to sumise that the punishment is because he's not toeing the line with Juve's wishes. If that's the case, he's more likely to be negative about the deal, than not.
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My understanding is that he wasn't supposed to be back before Monday, it seems that he went back earlier to confront Juventus hierarchy and they aren't exactly thrilled about it. I don't think that it has anything to do with not wanting to join United.
 
Lukaku reportedly wants to move to another club anyway and seemingly doesn't fit into our manager's plans. I say it's worth the risk if Dybala ultimately decides he wants to move here.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Real pushed out Robben and Sneijder in 2009.

If we signed both, we have 1 more Prem title at least and potentially another CL.

Sometimes clubs force out players to focus on newer players for the 'shine'.
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Yes, they were pushed out. But they weren't pushed to Bayern in particular.

This is different, because Dybala appears to only have one choice. It's United or bust. He'd be joining under a cloud.
 
JPRouve said:
Thiago Silva and Ibrahimovic are examples, they both wanted to stay with Milan and they were both told to leave. Robben and Sneijder are other examples or even Cantona with all his french clubs.
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There will be brilliant examples of players who went on to shine - the ones you named are certainly ones with great mindsets. I just hope Dybala falls in that bucket because another example of someone forced out is ADM. It can go either way I guess..

A big part is also the system. If Dybala walks into a system and environment that really suits his style I'm sure he will enjoy being with us straight away.
 
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