If we were to only sign players who were dying to be here, we'd be terrible. How many players in our squad can you honestly say feel blessed to be here? Smalling, Jones, Young, Mctominay. At a stretch maybe Rashford, Greenwood?
Paulo Dybala
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If we were to only sign players who were dying to be here, we'd be terrible. How many players in our squad can you honestly say feel blessed to be here? Smalling, Jones, Young, Mctominay. At a stretch maybe Rashford, Greenwood?
Keep it down ffs. Clearly they haven't noticed!
In all seriousness, Lukaku has shown he can be that player when he's on it. His performances in the WC for Belgium demonstrate that. Its also worth considering there aren't actually too many great strikers on the market in Europe at the moment.
Im just saying it could happen. We have a week left and havent signed Bruno or Dybala. The window could close without us signing either.
But if we end up with Bruno Dybala Maquire and keep Pogba then we have a very good team.
Ole has already been quoted throughout this thread praising the likes of a dybala player
The reason we keep hearing "he said she said" type of quotes is that no one thought it was possible for a deal like this to happen (Ole and Woodward included). It's not every day that you get a massive club like Juve willing to buy our want-away player and offer a top player in a swap deal.
Just think about it from Dybala's POV, he was on break, getting ready for this season, then a Sarri-connected journo runs a story that basically says "GTFO of my club". In the space of 24 hours, your whole world has been turned up side down and you have no idea where you'll end up, then all of a sudden you get a new team pressing to get a deal before the deadline, and you have a media environment where one sentence "alleged comments" are taken as gospel.
"Well if he doesn't want to play for us", i mean come on, the dude was hit by a 2x4 and we're going to question his desire to join with little real understanding of the actual discussions going on.
I have no idea what Dybala is like off the pitch, that's why I said "if this, then .... and if that, then ....."
Do you know what could be a very good team?
A team that respects the club it plays for and wants to play for the fans, the history and the badge.
A team that enjoys playing and wants to perform for the manager and fans.
A team motivated and inspired by ambition, belief and unity.
A team so unified it refuses to accept defeat
A team that is scared of letting themselves and the manager and the fans down, not one that is scared of their opponents.
A team and manager that is supported and cheered on regardless by their fans!
A team that the fans show love and dedication to.
A team and fan base that is United!
There's so much more to this club than record signings and world class players or managers and I just personally feel that has been lost since Fergie left. Yes it's been depressing, but now is the time we all work together and become United! The club is so much more than what the moaners on this forum try to reduce it to. Or what the FIFA generation expect.
We are United! We are better than this constant fecking moaning and depression!
And if Wan Bissaka is in fact Jar Jar Binks, we shouldn’t have signed him either.
It seems strange to me if a player is worth 80mil that Juve cannot find a starting spot in the front line for him on a regular basis.
I think that the tools a player needs to succeed in England are pace, power, high work ethic and a good skill set but not necessarily technically really good (if one had all we are looking at world class) so I wonder if Dybala ticks most of those boxes.
I have only seen YouTube stuff of him as I do not recall him standing out in the Juve games I have seen and my thoughts are good at set pieces and good control in tight situations and a good finisher but he is not quick and not overly strong so for me he goes into the 50/50 category of making it.
If we get him and he ends up being successful then all well and good and at least we will have got rid Of Lukaku who has two of those traits that I have stated earlier but the technique is so bad that I just get a cold shiver down by neck when he tries to control a ball that gets hit at him with a bit of pace.
I think that the tools a player needs to succeed in England are pace, power, high work ethic and a good skill set but not necessarily technically really good (if one had all we are looking at world class) so I wonder if Dybala ticks most of those boxes.
I have only seen YouTube stuff of him as I do not recall him standing out in the Juve games I have seen and my thoughts are good at set pieces and good control in tight situations and a good finisher but he is not quick and not overly strong so for me he goes into the 50/50 category of making it.
If we get him and he ends up being successful then all well and good and at least we will have got rid Of Lukaku who has two of those traits that I have stated earlier but the technique is so bad that I just get a cold shiver down by neck when he tries to control a ball that gets hit at him with a bit of pace.
Lukaku is a write off and doesn’t want to be here. Getting Dybala in a straight swap (assuming salaries fairly match up) won’t be such a bad deal. I think he’s meant to be the replacement for Mata from a skill set perspective. What worries me is that we are forcing someone to come who clearly doesn’t want to be here.
If he doesn't want to be here then he wont be.
He may not have woken up dreaming of playing for this United, but really, how many would right now?
I don't really understand what was wrong with Moise Kean? He's young but 11 in 35 Serie A appearances (gotta be a bunch of subs in there). Seems like they should have just kept him, maybe bought someone to compete with him for 40M like Maxi Gomez or Haller if they want a physical 9 to make space for Cristiano and just not sell Cancelo, who's presumably not going to be replaced with anywhere near as good a RB.
But there is a real lack of target 9s (and 9s in general) out there: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spi...tersklasse=alle&jahrgang=0&land_id=0&yt0=Show
Is there anyone with some size there who's not at already at a top club you'd back more than Lukaku to score 20 goals next year? The Poulsen-Belotti-Dembele-Haller-Milik-Mitrovic-Silva-Mateta cohort probably produces a couple of quality strikers since bigger 9s peak later than any position but GK, CB and DM, but damned if I know which one's gonna be consistently getting 20 league goals a year.
So yeah, I wouldn't buy Lukaku for 85M either, but much like Maguire, you only have to be like 10-15M better in value than all the 40-45M bracket guys to actually be worth like 80-85M. Having a high floor comes with a huge price tag because teams don't want a 2 year meh period and having to go back out on the market, which ironically is exactly what Lukaku's career here will have turned out to be.
Dybala will be good here and Lukaku will be good at Juventus. There are a lot of good players about, it’s about how everything fits on the pitch.
Don't think he's coming, but will be pleasantly surprised if this comes off.
Me neither. Just can’t see it. It sounds like Ronaldo wants to be centre of attention as usual and wants him out the way.
He has a contract and is entitled to see it out at least wait until a club he is interested comes in for him. Or fight for his place, a couple of injuries can change a lot quickly.
And if he really does not want to be here we should not be going near him anyways. Unless we are planning on selling him to PSG for 200 million next year.
So are we assuming that players who get pushed out by their clubs are somehow damaged goods? Because if Juventus want him out he's gonna play somewhere else even if he doesn't want it. Why do we expect foreign players to awe at the mention of our club to the point that if we offer them something they have to absolutely jump on it or else they're dithering and clearly indicating they'll sulk and turn sour here?
I get the fear here absolutely, but its as though our fans have developed a PTSD like defense mechanism of "well we were burned once so better to never go near a fire again".
Jesus fecking Christ where have you been all this while? Finally someone in support of Dybala and the tough decision he has to make rather than a “if he doesn’t want to come he can feck off”.
watching an entire thread go through "the vapours" because Dybala hasn't given a blood sacrifice to the Sir Alex Ferguson Stand in the past 24 hours to show is commitment
This thread is brutal. To go from a holiday back into your workplace, to be confronted by your club asking you to leave and sign up with a specific club would be an out of body experience. Can't fault MUFC/woodward being offered this chance, but (putting money aside) i'd hate to be in those shoes atm. It would be an awful toll on his mental health.
Word! I mean it’s only been 72 hours since the entire story broke and people were already saying YESTERDAY he still hasn’t committed to our club. Too many people playing FM and not in tune with realty.watching an entire thread go through "the vapours" because Dybala hasn't given a blood sacrifice to the Sir Alex Ferguson Stand in the past 24 hours to show is commitment
This thread is brutal. To go from a holiday back into your workplace, to be confronted by your club asking you to leave and sign up with a specific club would be an out of body experience. Can't fault MUFC/woodward being offered this chance, but (putting money aside) i'd hate to be in those shoes atm. It would be an awful toll on his mental health.
I hope him being pushed out due to tactics favourable to Ronaldo makes him want to surpass the legend of Ronaldo here.
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I’ll put it simply
If he does not really want to play for United then we should go nowhere near him.
It’s really not difficult to get your head around. No need to attach conditions like PTSD to it.
For too long have we been paying too much for far too little. Rewarding mediocrity needs to stop.
I get that Dybala is an exciting looking signing. Just the thing to make Ed look good in fact.
But let’s make sure it’s not just about making Ed look good, selling shirts, putting bums on seats etc
Let’s make sure it’s good for the team, the dressing room and the project as a whole. And let’s make sure it’s good for Dybala himself because that’s how we ensure we get the best out of him.
iF hE's sO gOoD wHy dOeS JuVe wAnTs tO sElL hIm? Yeah, why the feck does anyone wants to buy Makelele, Sneijder, Robben etc when Real Madrid sold them? If they are so good why does RM sold them? Doesn't make sense, they must be shit!
And feck's sake, use your fecking brain. Most people on earth requires more than 24 hours to make a life changing decision, especially when they need to move away from their comfort zone into a completely new country, completely new working environment with people speaking in a completely different language. Why the feck are people moaning about Dybala not packing his bags straight away when he heard about us? He is not moving from some third rate league to ours. He is not moving from some Championship team to our team. Have some perspective people.
And feck's sake, use your fecking brain. Most people on earth requires more than 24 hours to make a life changing decision, especially when they need to move away from their comfort zone into a completely new country, completely new working environment with people speaking in a completely different language. Why the feck are people moaning about Dybala not packing his bags straight away when he heard about us? He is not moving from some third rate league to ours. He is not moving from some Championship team to our team. Have some perspective people.
There seems to be a suggestion that the loss of 25% due to no champions league is one of the main obstacles of this deal
If you were in that Utd negotiating team how would you get round this clause without upsetting the squad but still getting Dybala
If you were in that Utd negotiating team how would you get round this clause without upsetting the squad but still getting Dybala
By giving him more to start with. That way if he loses 25% it’s still around what he wants now. That being said, I’m sure they will sort out bonuses that will make up for it if he does his job as a forward.
Other incentives and bonuses could be given to him to compensate like bonus for scoring 20+ goals a season. Or increase his wages a teeny bit to counteract the clause.
by either upping the wage or adding bonuses to keep reduction in place, or you remove the reduction and seek a lower wage.
I hope we get him and Bruno. Contrary to popular opinion, I reckon they can both fit in the team very well, without compromising on defensive stability.
If we play a 4-2-2-2 formation, both pogba and Bruno can play in front of a midfield double pivot with dybala and rashford in front of them.
Absolutely droll worthy that would be.
If we play a 4-2-2-2 formation, both pogba and Bruno can play in front of a midfield double pivot with dybala and rashford in front of them.
Absolutely droll worthy that would be.
Ferguson signed world class players too. It's great because your pashun may just have provided champions league football for next year
Him in a United shirt is all ive cared about for 3 days now. Lets wrap this up so I can get back to being a responsible human.
I think by lowering or removing the drop. Its a bit unfair IMO to expect employees to take a 25% drop in salary when we're not a consistent top 4 team in the first place. Who's wanna work uder that kind of job security in their day jobs? Why should we expect players to accept it especially when other clubs rarely have such a clause? Because we're special somehow?
Profound sounding logic which really breaks apart once you think about it just a little bit. Thats a fine way to just ensure nobody ambitious comes to the club since they don't have any particular feelings about the club. You have to convince talented players who otherwise don't want to join your club and project - especially when you're not on the top. Dybala wants to win CLs and leagues. We want to win leagues and CLs. However our status right now is that nobody believes that we can - so we absolutely have to have players who want to win CLs and leagues even if we aren't their first choice.
Thats not to say we should just hire a bunch of random players who have no connection to the club. I think with the rising costs of players football clubs will start more and more towards developing their own young players and only spending money on a few key big names, but those names don't need top be fans of Manchester united. We may not be their first choice, and they may only look at us as a stepping stone. But we should look at them like any other contract labor and not feel animosity towards them coming here and playing professionally for a year or two and then moving on. Or possibly even not working out.
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This would be an incredible signing. We need this.
I think it’s actually fair. It’s a proper incentive for players to do their job. It’s like sales people not getting commissions if they don’t make a sale. It’s fair. This way they know what’s going to happen and might step up their game. And if you look at it adidas lowers their deals for us for not making the champions league so we in turn do it to our players.
Its amazing the possibilities once we got out back four sorted out. Jose must be crying in his sleep as we speak.
You're treating a corporation (Manchester United) to the same levels as a player (labor) which I consider a bit unfair. The entire point of a corporation is to shield labor from short term losses by giving them a stable salary and baring the losses. That is the justification for them not passing on the profits onto the employees as well. Imagine if Amazon cut its employees salaries by 25% from one year to next based on the company's performance.
That said I think you can achieve the incentives you're after better with bonuses for league finish. And that may well be the solution out of this. Take out the 25% pay cut and offer some bonuses based on team performances as players renegotiate their contracts.
Yeah it's nuts, he's been kicked in the teeth and no doubt has a lot on his plate. I feel like the majority of the people pushing the 'oh he doesn't want to come here' narrative are the ones who don't want him here. All this talk about players who are 'grateful' to be here when that's how we end up with wasters stinking the place out year after year.
But nah, he is Argentine so he is Di Maria v2 stay away.
Just remove the 25% and cut back on the bonuses instead. We won't miss out on CL that often if we get him IMO.
Does anyone else in the continent do a 25 for not getting to CL?
I'm two generations away from being a boomer.Quiet Boomer
Give him a bigger signing on fee or agree a release clause if we miss out for two or more seasons in a row.
Juve really are heartless bastards
Kind of wish we had he same sort of management...
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