Paul Pogba's mentality...

OL29 said:
Why lie?
As for the posts claiming Pogba has yet to show any maturity on the field, how about just a couple weeks ago where he was bought on to win usthe game against Blackburn, which he did by setting Ibra up for the winner? Or when we were losing against Boro around Christmas; Pogba dropped deep to orchestrate the play as we had no midfield at the end, which eventually led to him opening up the defence for the equaliser and scoring the winner a couple minutes later. There was also the game against Palace where he kept a cool head in the final minutes to shrug off Cabaye and slip Ibra in for the winner in the final minutes.
It's amazing how short some peoples memory is; of course he's inconsistent at times and shows flashes of immaturity but the way some people are talking about him, you'd think he's not taken out midfield up several notches and he's a disposable player.
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don't lie if you hate to. I said almost all games. Those rare flashes only confirm the general picture and I was talking about the general situation. I state he is doing much less the he should have and does not correspond to the status he is given. Whether this is due to the age, star fever or wrong management decisions, that's a different story. What's wrong with the statement?

My memory isn't short, I was saying this from the 1st time I saw him. Which doesn't mean I can't change my opinion and I hope he will give us the reason.
 
Thepinhead said:
I was furious after the game. Not on pogba because I thought he played rather well. He created most of our chances and gave us the penalty.

But I was furious on my girlfriend because when we got the penalty the first thing she said was that Zlatan would miss it.

She is now banned from watching all United games and handcuffed to the kitchen table. No worries though she got access to food and water.
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amolbhatia50k said:
It's a shame if he needs that to be honest. He's an adult and should handle himself. Modric doesn't need anyone barking at him to focus. In fact I'd argue that he could do with a little more of the focus and lesser lelf indulgence that those two do have.
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It's called and this is a technical, scientific term "Big Dick Syndrome" now, I don't know for sure if Pogba has BDS (that's the short hand). However, when someone who is young, developing, and perhaps still a little immature in their behavior becomes "the best" whatever, it can be very difficult to talk down to them, because they will often resort to "I'm better than you, what could you possibly know".

Again, I have no clue of Pogba is like that, but it the reverse can also be true. It's difficult for most people to openly criticize someone who is better than they are, even when they should.
 


This is what i expect pogba to be ,

It's ridiculous to say a footballer specially a midfeilder to dreams on winning a ballon d'or can not play in a two man midfield and needs freedom for him and security behind him. Pogba has to adapt and adapt quickly to the demands to the team and this league. We dont need to butter him up, let him take the burden and responsibility and swim in the ocean all by himself. If we wants to be involved in forward areas he needs to turn into a b2b controller and show his skills in forward positions with responsibility.
 
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Tonight at the end of the game laughing and joking seemingly unbothered after losing, which, coincidentally is exactly how he looked on the pitch while Rojo, Rashford, Tony V and Young were running themselves into the ground - sometimes even running past him in midfield toward the end of the match.

It's his mentality, and it needs addressing because if he's allowed to perform like this for much longer, it'll become the norm and will start to snowball.
 
Why did sir alex played rafael instead of pogba? Pogba thinks Talent is good enough he dont have to work harder. Its all in the attitude. When loosing does not hurt you and do not spurn you to give your best and focus more on off the field. Making a mistake once or twice is okay but again and again there has to be some problem.

Rafael Nadal mostly beat fedrer in an one on one game when nadal simply worked more harder. Hardwork always beat talent when the talent does not work hard enough.
 
prtk0811 said:


This is what i expect pogba to be ,

It's ridiculous to say a footballer specially a midfeilder to dreams on winning a ballon d'or can not play in a two man midfield and needs freedom for him and security behind him. Pogba has to adapt and adapt quickly to the demands to the team and this league. We dont need to butter him up, let him take the burden and responsibility and swim in the ocean all by himself. If we wants to be involved in forward areas he needs to turn into a b2b controller and show his skills in forward positions with responsibility.
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Pogba has a different skillset. Don't see him like that. Maybe in a few years, but not soon. Pogba needs creative players around him. Play him in front of Schweinsteiger and Kroos and he will blossom. But if you expect him to control the game or to deliver keypasses you will be disappointed. But let him roam around a forward, let him fall to the wing, give him the opportunity to utilize his physique and technical ablity and he will shine.
He is simply lost in the current lineup.
He was able to do that at Juve. Pirlo and Marchisio controlled the game, Vidal protected him and he had the freedom to roam the area around the box. That's where he belongs.
 
Fergie was right to let him go and now we have lumbered ourselves with an £89m undroppable bottler that we have to carry in every big game.
 
Could he just be like Veron - a very talented player who's playing style simply doesn't suit England?
 
HTG said:
Pogba has a different skillset. Don't see him like that. Maybe in a few years, but not soon. Pogba needs creative players around him. Play him in front of Schweinsteiger and Kroos and he will blossom. But if you expect him to control the game or to deliver keypasses you will be disappointed. But let him roam around a forward, let him fall to the wing, give him the opportunity to utilize his physique and technical ablity and he will shine.
He is simply lost in the current lineup.
He was able to do that at Juve. Pirlo and Marchisio controlled the game, Vidal protected him and he had the freedom to roam the area around the box. That's where he belongs.
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isnt he supposed to be the creativity? its a bit lame to say he needs a Pirlo and Vidal to blossom, any player would
 
clarkydaz said:
isnt he supposed to be the creativity? its a bit lame to say he needs a Pirlo and Vidal to blossom, any player would
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Agree. Signing this calibre of player would be great but it isn't the answer to having Pogba play well for us this season. For that he could start by playing like he gives a shit for 90 minutes, start doing the basics well and cut out the self-indulgent crap at least until he's more confident in himself to pull it off.
 
clarkydaz said:
isnt he supposed to be the creativity? its a bit lame to say he needs a Pirlo and Vidal to blossom, any player would
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Well, he has a different kind of creativity to him. He can't build up the play, can't control the game etc. Right now, nobody on your team can. That's the issue. Not only Pogba needs players to do this, everybody does. But you threw so much money at him, that people expect him to do things he's not capable of.
But Pogba can shoot, he can control balls in tight spaces, he can situatively play the wings, he can cross and he can offer penetration in the last third of the field. But he needs players to give him the ball and create space.
 
Gutless and insipid once again. A rich man's Youssouf Mulumbu with bleached hair and dabs.
 
Needs to play in midfield 3 for me. Unsurprisingly he looked a world beater alongside amazing midfielder at Juve. At the minute he may as well be on fecking Mars he's that lost.
 
BringNaniBack said:
Fergie was right to let him go and now we have lumbered ourselves with an £89m undroppable bottler that we have to carry in every big game.
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Yeah, he's just like Ravel init? If we return to the world of logical thinking then it's obvious this team is learning, including Pogba. Jose will get the best out of him. The price tag isn't down to the player, though it must surely be a negative influence, as it would be to most people, bar Cristiano.

We are trying to figure out the best way to utilise Pogba and he's then having to play different roles in different setups accordingly. What players have we got who are so amazing in big games other than de Gea and maybe Zlatan?
 
HTG said:
Well, he has a different kind of creativity to him. He can't build up the play, can't control the game etc. Right now, nobody on your team can. That's the issue. Not only Pogba needs players to do this, everybody does. But you threw so much money at him, that people expect him to do things he's not capable of.
But Pogba can shoot, he can control balls in tight spaces, he can situatively play the wings, he can cross and he can offer penetration in the last third of the field. But he needs players to give him the ball and create space.
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Yeah but, because of his price tag people expect him to tackle like prime Essien and control the game like prime Xavi too. He is great with the right players around him his success with Juve proves that. Plus he has been pretty good this season unless you expected him to walk on water and move mountains this season.
 
Got no mentality or personality whatsoever. Zero influence when the team needs something special. He got a lot to prove if he wants to be something more than a Twitter/Adidas/shit haircut ad at United.
 
Some disappointing comments from our own fans in here. Mentality? A strong mentality is someone who leaves United on a free because of lack of opportunities. Then goes to a new league and becomes a multiple scudetto winner. Then becomes one of the most sought after players in world football. Yeah, true mentality is coming back to the club where he developed to prove himself here/smash the world record transfer fee and get in to the fifa team of the year at 23. He's been good for us overall, the man needs time to settle. He's only going to get better too. If our finishing was better this season, good knows how many assists he'd have. Paul Pogba can hit a pass better than anyone else in this league. We will build the team around him and I bet in a year and a half, some of the clowns in here will be banging on about him being the best midfielder in Europe.

I think he needs to be better in the big games but that will come. Paul is a fantastic footballer and will prove the doubters wrong.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Needs to play in midfield 3 for me. Unsurprisingly he looked a world beater alongside amazing midfielder at Juve. At the minute he may as well be on fecking Mars he's that lost.
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Spend £89m on a player, only to have to spend another £50-60m plus on other players in a certain system just to make him effective, crazy.
 
Giggs86 said:
Got no mentality or personality whatsoever. Zero influence when the team needs something special. He got a lot to prove if he wants to be something more than a Twitter/Adidas/shit haircut ad at United.
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I agree. Paul Pogba seriously needs to do some soul searching. He's gone missing in way too many big games. I'm trying to recall against the best 5 in the league, which game has he actually dominated? And all he's done is spray long passes to Zlatan in the other games. I mean Kante was such a great buy for Chelsea. The guy is a gem. He goes under the radar because Hazard and Costa gets all the attention but without him in midfield, Chelsea wouldn't be doing this well. Mourinho seriously needs to give Pogba a reality check. His antics off the field are NOT doing him a world of good. He's been no where near World Class to me and is very very far from even being considered for Ballon Do'or. I would say some of the CMs from the lower brackets could be rated higher than Pogba.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
Some disappointing comments from our own fans in here. Mentality? A strong mentality is someone who leaves United on a free because of lack of opportunities. Then goes to a new league and becomes a multiple scudetto winner. Then becomes one of the most sought after players in world football. Yeah, true mentality is coming back to the club where he developed to prove himself here/smash the world record transfer fee and get in to the fifa team of the year at 23. He's been good for us overall, the man needs time to settle. He's only going to get better too. If our finishing was better this season, good knows how many assists he'd have. Paul Pogba can hit a pass better than anyone else in this league. We will build the team around him and I bet in a year and a half, some of the clowns in here will be banging on about him being the best midfielder in Europe.

I think he needs to be better in the big games but that will come. Paul is a fantastic footballer and will prove the doubters wrong.
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I agree with the majority of your post but he isn't near the best passer in the league; that's just silly talk. He is strong, has a good skillset and huge potential but his passing is very hit and miss.
 
I'm not worried about his mentality but I'm not surprised either, as to why some people might question it, as he's running around dabbing and practicing goal celebrations while being very underwhelming on the pitch.

There is not anything wrong with that per se, but still you'd never see older generations do that and I think some people don't like/understand that.
 
Oaencha said:
I agree with the majority of your post but he isn't near the best passer in the league; that's just silly talk. He is strong, has a good skillset and huge potential but his passing is very hit and miss.
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It ain't silly talk, his passing range is better than anyone else. His long range passing is ludicrously good.
 
What's taking too many touches and wanting time that doesn't exist got to do with where he is on the pitch?

As has been discussed at length it's his mental approach to the game that's the problem He's not playing with instinct right now. Everything he does is over thought, how can he shine, how can he produce an individual moment etc etc.

I know plenty disagree but elevating him to a superstar off the pitch won't help him become the team player a midfielder needs to be.
 
The fact is that Pogba has got the potential to be as good as Zidane. Problem is that he thinks he already is...
 
JON.B said:
Spend £89m on a player, only to have to spend another £50-60m plus on other players in a certain system just to make him effective, crazy.
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Well, I really can't see any other way. He's shocking in a two. He needs mollycoddled or else top teams will rip us apart. The good thing is - if you can call it that - is that we need Carrick's replacement & and another midfielder, anyway. So we were going to need to spend money at one point or another. Well it's better to spend it to suit Pogba, than to have square pegs in round holes, which is what seems to be happening right now, or at least over past couple of years with our player acquisition.
 
No coincidence his worst run of form has come at a time when we've moved away from the 3 man midfield.

At the moment the team doesn't have a formation that fits all its best players into the starting line up. Add Griezmann in the summer and it becomes next to impossible. Rumours of Zlatan not staying could be to do with this as a target man up top means we need more creativity from midfield and then a #10 is needed.

I trust Mourinho to get it right but it's worrying at the moment with how all the pieces will fit together.
 
Not bothered if it's petty or whatever but his reaction to losing the ball on the edge of our box with about 75 minutes gone has turned me right off him. He may as well have shrugged his shoulders and rolled his eyes.
 
beingshe7don said:
I agree. Paul Pogba seriously needs to do some soul searching. He's gone missing in way too many big games. I'm trying to recall against the best 5 in the league, which game has he actually dominated? And all he's done is spray long passes to Zlatan in the other games. I mean Kante was such a great buy for Chelsea. The guy is a gem. He goes under the radar because Hazard and Costa gets all the attention but without him in midfield, Chelsea wouldn't be doing this well. Mourinho seriously needs to give Pogba a reality check. His antics off the field are NOT doing him a world of good. He's been no where near World Class to me and is very very far from even being considered for Ballon Do'or. I would say some of the CMs from the lower brackets could be rated higher than Pogba.
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Yep. Just look at how Leicester are doing without Kante. Juventus though are doing not so bad without Pogba last time I checked. Kante is an engine, Pogba is just a flashy spoiler. He acts as if he's got nothing to prove. He should get back to the basics and work his ass off if he wants to be rated as a great midfield player one day.
 
Hypothetically speaking how much do we think Pogba would be valued at now? All player values seem to have gone up recently but I don't know if his would have as we significantly over paid.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Real Madrid, Barca and PSG would have no issue taking Pogba off our hands.
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In terms of Real and Barca, if they wanted him badly enough they would have got him from Juventus. Yes they would take him off us but we'd probably have to take a £30-£40 million loss on it. With PSG we could probably make close to our money back, maybe just a £10 -£20 million loss. Actually maybe with the exchange rate the £ price would be similar but in terms of EUR it would be a loss. Anyway we obviously aren't in that position where we want to sell him yet.
 
I don't think he can play in a two man midfield. Doesn't have tactical discipline, positional sense, or consistent work rate on defense. He needs a free role somewhere on the left side of the pitch with energetic players who can run around him. If Herrera is the DM we need to buy a Vidal type player who can cover ground for when Pogba doesn't.
 
Giggs86 said:
Juventus though are doing not so bad without Pogba last time I checked.
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Pjanic has been involved in 17 goals in 33 games this season.
Pogba has been involved in 12 goals in 40 games this season.

In terms of passing, vision and playmaking Pjanic is arguably better than Pogba. He is a more consistent and decisive passer. He has also played some absolutely insane passes which I have not even seen from Pogba before (like this). However, Pogba offers physicality and combativeness in the midfield, which is something that Pjanic lacks.

Pogba cost 90 million, Pjanic 30 million.
 
Infordin said:
Pjanic has been involved in 17 goals in 33 games this season.
Pogba has been involved in 12 goals in 40 games this season.

In terms of passing, vision and playmaking Pjanic is arguably better than Pogba. He is a more consistent and decisive passer. He has also played some absolutely insane passes which I have not even seen from Pogba before (like this). However, Pogba offers physicality and combativeness in the midfield, which is something that Pjanic lacks.

Pogba cost 90 million, Pjanic 30 million.
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Completely different type of players. Pjanic is more like Pirlo.
 
He's been poor lately and we need him to be better than he has been, but the comments here are ridiculous.

Years ago we were begging the club to do better in the market and we finally bring in top class players like Zlatan and Pogba and the second they hit a rough patch we debate how much we can sell them for in the summer and whether we can make our money back from PSG.

Then we stalk his instagram and look at his possessions and hair style and jump to the conclusion he doesn't care about football. And we'll equate a nice car to attitude problems like we did with Memphis even after Jose said that was wrong and he's "a good boy".
 
Infordin said:
Pjanic has been involved in 17 goals in 33 games this season.
Pogba has been involved in 12 goals in 40 games this season.

In terms of passing, vision and playmaking Pjanic is arguably better than Pogba. He is a more consistent and decisive passer. He has also played some absolutely insane passes which I have not even seen from Pogba before (like this). However, Pogba offers physicality and combativeness in the midfield, which is something that Pjanic lacks.

Pogba cost 90 million, Pjanic 30 million.
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Pogba would be involved in way more goals if our team could finish and hes a little less that three years younger than Pjanic. A 24 year old midfielder and a 27 year old one shouldn't be compared especially seeing that pogba is playing in a more physical/competitive league with mediocrity teammates and Pjanics team is a champions league contender that won their league before the season started.
 
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