He's an attacking, creative, goal scoring midfielder who isn't being used correctly.
Paul Pogba's mentality...
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That is right, we have to replace Carrick. Pogba doesn't work hard enough for a midfield two, so make it a three and at least you have two of the midfielders who will work defensively and he can do what he does best.
What he is suggesting is that his output nowhere near compensates for his freedom, allowances and catering to him. Even if our attackers finished better, there are dedicated playmakers and attacking midfield players who are simply better at it than him. Di Maria was labelled a flop and he bagged 11 assists 4 goals, (benched from January) so it really isn't all that. So to stand out, Pogba needs to either; have a crazy attacking output, win big matches, boss games, Dictate attacks or be more of a all rounder. He is doing very little of either.
However, as it is his 1st season, he gets a pass from me.
I actually thought he was doing well up until the sending off, after that he was pretty useless. Did not suit him parking the bus, he only stayed on the pitch to be an aerial threat and defender corners.
Nainggolan is much better defensively then Pogba. Similar to Vidal who's doing superb for Bayern.
To me, he isn't similar to Vidal and he isn't that good defensively but most importantly he isn't a controlling presence which is what we lack.
Pogba's trying to do too much, due to our midfield being so bad, once we address the issue, I'm pretty sure he will start to shine.
It's clear to see he's got all the necessary attributes to reach his potential.
It's clear to see he's got all the necessary attributes to reach his potential.
Huh? I'm hoping he is just trying to bolster Pogba's confidence. He was almost invisible yesterday. Rojo and Valencia were OUR best players on the pitch, from my living room perch anyway.
I'm sure it's done for psychological reasons, but Mourinho wants to be careful with this - we've seen with LvG and Rooney what can happen when a manager puts a player in the comfort zone and just leaves them on the pitch.
It also can't go down well with the other players, even if they understand why the manager's saying it.
Maybe what he needs is other players to actually start telling him off on the pitch?
Agree with this.
Unless 'giant' refers to his comparative height to Kante it's definite man management from Mourinho here, he's been awful for a few weeks now and Jose has to know it.
In fact he's been ropey since he got that stupid emoji in his hair, he was miles better when he had just the natural hair colour. Get it cut lad.
In fact he's been ropey since he got that stupid emoji in his hair, he was miles better when he had just the natural hair colour. Get it cut lad.
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IMO he is poor man's Vidal.
It's laughable someone here said he watches all the leagues and we should replace Herrera with Nainggolan as Nainggolan controls the midfield. Can't be far from truth.
Interesting. I see a lot of pointing to other players to mark players, track runners etc (passing on responsibility) so what is he trying to do due to our midfield being so bad and what should HE be doing?
I think that it's very far from the truth. Vidal can do what Nainggolan does but he also can do what Strootman, Marchisio, Khedira or even Kanté do which isn't true for Nainggolan.
I won't disagree with that, like you said Vidal can do everything you want from a midfielder. I'm talking about their roles now, Vidal is not used to control the games, that would be waste of his talent and there are players to do that in his team. I meant in that way.
Vidal is very aggressive box to box player (at Juventus and Bayern to an extent), Nainggolan is same but not at Vidal's level.
What this team needs is Toni Kroos.
Oh I see what you mean but I initially specified that Nainggolan wasn't what we needed because he wasn't a controlling midfielder and SSSnake answered that he was like Vidal. And to me while Vidal is currently used like Nainggolan, Nainggolan isn't like Vidal. Vidal has this incredible ability to be a threat in the last third and play box to box but he is also able to play a very composed game which isn't Nainggolan strong suit.
Basically, my point is that a team with Herrera and Pogba doesn't need an attacking box to box, it's the opposite of what we need.
I agree. We need someone like Carrick type who can sit deep and dictate the tempo of the game.
What's there to laugh at? our midfield is utter shite, a cup tie away at the league's top team and we have Phil Jones in midfield, bit of a step down to what he was used to at Juventus. Once he has a role that actually play's to his strength's, he will come good.
i dunno about that, I'd say a midfield with the new Duncan Edwards should be pretty damned good.
The reason we had to play Jones there is because Pogbas work rate is not good enough. Too many excuses being made for him, he does not give 100% in terms of work rate off the ball. FACT, that has nothing to do with having to do too much, he is just far too laid back.
But much like his team mates, his passing the ball into the back of the net is poor!
agreed I've stated this in Pogbas's performances thread before, he was pretty good, helped to outmuscle chelsea players and to keep the ball well, after the sent off it was always going to be difficult, and I critisize Pogba a lot but when you play with the likes of Darmian or Fellaini who can hardly sprint you can never press in 10 men and then Pogba struggles, we need to invest in dynamic players who can make up for some lack of dynamism of other players with good technical ability, Pogba and Zlatan are worth having in the team but the key point is midfield..
The double standards are amazing, when it was Di Maria being lazy, it was because he didn't care and wasn't suited to the premier league. That was even when he was our top assister, we ran him out of Manchester.
We have a player who literally is walking around the pitch and jogging when opposition midfielders run past him and hes getting a free ride why?
We have a player who literally is walking around the pitch and jogging when opposition midfielders run past him and hes getting a free ride why?
I Hope so.
Can you comment on his positional sense ? Defensive contribution ?
People want him given a free role but only people like ronaldo,messi ,bale etc get that because of their output. Even if Pogba increases that he wont score/assit in ridicolous numbers . So he has to start understand positional discipline fast !
Note : If SAF was here Pogba still wouldnt get picked in a two man mid . I can clearly see Fergie said he is not ready at that time.
I've said this since day 1 of his return, he acts like he doesn't care and plays like it as well. He needs to start caring, or at least looking like he does.
That's a really interesting point. To be fair though I'm sure Di Maria had his fair share of defenders for a while until the overwhelming view which you described took hold. If things don't change with Pogba it will be a similar story, he is getting a break because it's his first season and he is still seen to be a young player (who turns 24 in a week). This time next season if things havent improved you will no doubt have a different story.
Nonsense, Jones was shoehorned in as a defensive midfielder, because we simply don't have a decent one in the squad. Do you think Pogba should be doing this role? I interested to know what you think Pogba's role should be our midfield. Please enlighten me.
This is pretty close to the truth. He's clearly happy to be here but is not playing with any heart/drive/determination.
He needs benching to get his head right. Herrera-Carrick against Rostov please.
We all no he has the potential to be one of the best, he just needs to put it all together, hes the only one that can do that now, he should be made to sit down and watch clips of young Ravel Morrison and to see how quick a career could go wrong, maybe needs some strong words from the rest of the squad as well. imagine him putting in these performances with keane next to him ?
Erm a box to box midfielder. Herrera can do enough to cover defensively if Pogba increased him work rate. Obviously in a big game we may want to add an additional DM but again its down to Pogba not having the required work rate.
It is possible that he is spent and has played far too many games in the past 18 months and needs a rest, but anyone with eyes can see that his work rate at the moment (whether its down to his mentality) or down to being spent, just isn't up to standard.
Pogba is not a number 10, he is a CM and so he needs to start behaving like one.
He's a bit of a Pink Panther player this season: highly prized, iconic, a worldwide brand - but you get the feeling he wants to overelaborate, play the sax, stick his tail up and only then lay it off or find the net.
He is the absolute number one priority for Jose Mourinho in the summer, nothing else. His handling of him will determine whether United can be a title-winning team again or just also-rans as they are now.
He is the absolute number one priority for Jose Mourinho in the summer, nothing else. His handling of him will determine whether United can be a title-winning team again or just also-rans as they are now.
Didn't suit the tactics yesterday, as simple as that.
Because he is one of ours and appears to have a desire to be at United. Maybe the superstar status has affected him and he feels he doesn't need to prove himself and can get along with the minimum? who knows, but the circumstances are different for both players. Pogba is a United boy even though he left us and returned for a world record fee, making his agent rich, him the highest paid player and his own emoji in the process
He can't do anything right in some people's eyes. So it's bad that he hugged his French teammates and former manager at the end of the game, yet Mourinho hugging William while the game is still going is totally fine.
Mourinho didn't embarrass himself yesterday whereas I think Pogba somewhat did. It's not a comparison with Mourinho you'd want though, you look at Valencia who not only was one of the best players yesterday but also was visibly pissed off. Pogba was shite and then had no problem having a laugh after the game. Make no mistake, if he'd done his work properly, busted a gut, I wouldn't mind at all. But apart from Herrera he's been the worst player yesterday.
He does care he's just soft.
That was fine at Juve when he was surrounded by leaders but him and Ibra are viewed as the leaders here.
That was fine at Juve when he was surrounded by leaders but him and Ibra are viewed as the leaders here.