Paul Pogba's mentality...

Nipower888 said:
Pogba would be involved in way more goals if our team could finish and hes a little less that three years younger than Pjanic. A 24 year old midfielder and a 27 year old one shouldn't be compared especially seeing that pogba is playing in a more physical/competitive league with mediocrity teammates and Pjanics team is a champions league contender that won their league before the season started.
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True, not arguing that Pjanic is better than Pogba overall, just saying that Juventus haven't lost anything by replacing one with the other.

Last season Pogba was involved in 26 goals in 49 appearances for Juventus. Almost an identical record to Pjanic now.
 
I love how for the Kante goal, Pogba notices Kante, doesn't adjust his defensive position, continues ball watching, but remembers to point Kante to an imaginary third midfielder to pick up. Guess he didn't notice Herrera got sent off.

I think Jose has to bench him if he expects Pogba to play in a two man midfield. Or play him in a free role on the left so his lack of defensive contribution doesn't hurt us.
 
There's nothing a good kick in the slats wont sort out. He needs to be reminded that world class is more than running about like a headless one, sporting a shit haircut and dabbing with Jesse.
 
I'm starting to feel Pogba wasn't a sensible buy anymore. He doesn't fit into that class of proper midfielder who is good both defensively and offensively. All he has shown so far he is good at holding up the ball against 2 players and occasional long range ball forward.
 
manutddjw said:
He's been poor lately and we need him to be better than he has been, but the comments here are ridiculous.

Years ago we were begging the club to do better in the market and we finally bring in top class players like Zlatan and Pogba and the second they hit a rough patch we debate how much we can sell them for in the summer and whether we can make our money back from PSG.

Then we stalk his instagram and look at his possessions and hair style and jump to the conclusion he doesn't care about football. And we'll equate a nice car to attitude problems like we did with Memphis even after Jose said that was wrong and he's "a good boy".
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Top class players put in top class performances, however, this season Pogba has not hit top class form. It looks like he is not suited to playing in a 2-man midfield. It is up to debate whether it is Mou's or Pog's problem, but the reality is that Paul is miles away from the form that he showed at Juve and has not progressed at Utd. Hopefully, things will change and we are all happy.
 
Guys, we all keep talking about the ~90M that we paid for Pogba. Well that wasn't dependent on him. It was the amount we paid to convince Juventus to sell. The numbers we should be focusing is the 290k United pays him every week. What has he done to deserve it? He may have won medals and cups in Italy but he hasn't proven crap so far. Honestly this season, Lingard and Pogba have been about the same standard all season and Lingard gets paid 90k (not that I think he even deserves to get paid that much). Lingard and Pogba started off the same route. Pogba went to Juve and won the medals with their fabulous team and in a league where Juve has been dominating for years now. Lingard came through during a time when United were trying to get back to be strong again. Yeah, it can be disputed that Pogba has 42 appearances for France but he hasn't proven much for France either. He's built up this huge name but hasn't delivered. And he gets paid 290K for dabs and posting Instagram videos? Not a iota of shame on his face after the game. He played so poorly and he had this shitty smile on his face. Like seriously dude, grow up. You're getting paid so much. Have the decency to turn up for the fans because I'm a United supporter and I followed Pogba closely when he was in the academy and he would run riot in midfield during those times and now he's just making a mockery of those fans who support him. Live up to the expectations...
 
During that period where we couldn't win and kept drawing, Pogba was good-great for us - even when he wasn't having a good game, he didn't stop trying and when we did eventually win, he celebrated with passion, like it mattered to him. Something has gone missing from him from at least the last 3 games, and I'd really like to see it back.
 
I think his issues are the weight of expectation, which has really got to him, particularly in some of the big matches.

And also it's tiredness. He's played way too much football. That's on José, not him.
 
The thing about Pogba that really gets me going is all this talk about him being 'world class'. A player isn't world class just because he says he is, he has to earn that. Not even close yet.
 
His overall game is good (not 90m good but still good enough). But the main issue with him is that during crucial moments of the game when a chance drops at his feet, he always seems to fluff it or sometimes even completely miss it. Whenever it is a high pressure game or a high pressure situation in a game, he is mentally not strong enough to do something that he would have otherwise done easily. He has all the physical and technical attributes but as long as he remains mentally weak, he'll never become world class.
 
I watched the match upto the goal, he was doing well, he was fighting all over the pitch. People need to remember we didn't sign Messi, you can't expect that type of impact.
 
He's been shite but the system isn't helping. He's best out wide of a midfield 3.
 
Pogba is the least of our worries. He will be a great player.

I expect a much better season from him next year.
 
I think he could do with a rest but that's impossible. Nothing much to add.
 
kafta said:
Pogba is the least of our worries. He will be a great player.

I expect a much better season from him next year.
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He's actually far from the "least of our worries" unfortunately. At this moment in time, he's a huge issue for us.

Like you though, I am confident that he will come good. Next season will be absolutely huge for him and I'm hoping we add to our midfield over the summer and watch him really step up his game.
 
abhayselvan said:
His overall game is good (not 90m good but still good enough). But the main issue with him is that during crucial moments of the game when a chance drops at his feet, he always seems to fluff it or sometimes even completely miss it. Whenever it is a high pressure game or a high pressure situation in a game, he is mentally not strong enough to do something that he would have otherwise done easily. He has all the physical and technical attributes but as long as he remains mentally weak, he'll never become world class.
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This sums it up pretty well.
Going anonymous during the big games is a solid evidence of weak mentality. And when a 19 year old last season graduate plays with more passion and more urgency than our one of the greatest to be, then questions and doubts will start poring.

Berbatov was regarded as a great player by some, but he simply wasn't - you never knew which one will turn up. Kind of the same situation with Pogba - you never know who will turn up. The reliant midfielder, who holds the ball well and can spray incredible passes or a pale copy of him that wants to add tricks to his future movie "The great Pogba".
 
I know it's only a small part of the picture, but his long range shooting sums up how out of sorts he is. They used to fly in when he was at Juve, and i was dead excited about finally signing somebody who'd score 6 or 8 pile-drivers a season. But now he's as bad as anybody in the team.
 
Sir A1ex said:
I know it's only a small part of the picture, but his long range shooting sums up how out of sorts he is. They used to fly in when he was at Juve, and i was dead excited about finally signing somebody who'd score 6 or 8 pile-drivers a season. But now he's as bad as anybody in the team.
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Yeah, I recall seeing him score some belters and I thought he would be rifling in a few long rangers for us.
 
Trizy said:
He's been shite but the system isn't helping. He's best out wide of a midfield 3.
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He needs to play in a 3 , otherwise hes a liability . He also needs to be told hes a footballer not a rapper/popstar we have had more than enough of those type of failures at UTD .A midfield three of Kante /type ,Pogba and Herrara combined with real pace up front would make us a very formidable outfit indeed.
 
Agree we defo need to see a 3 man midfield. We need a Nainggolan type to get the best out of Pogba.

Let someone else do the dirty work and push him further up field where he's most dangerous.
 
SSSSnake said:
Agree we defo need to see a 3 man midfield. We need a Nainggolan type to get the best out of Pogba.

Let someone else do the dirty work and push him further up field where he's most dangerous.
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No we don't need someone like Nainggolan. Are people determined to make the same mistakes over and over? Nainggolan is an other Pogba, we need a game manager.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
It ain't silly talk, his passing range is better than anyone else. His long range passing is ludicrously good.
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He's not even Utd's best passer; who is Carrick by a large margin. I am a Pogba fan and think he will be almost unplayable in a year or two, but he isn't the best passer in the PL.
 
SSSSnake said:
Agree we defo need to see a 3 man midfield. We need a Nainggolan type to get the best out of Pogba.

Let someone else do the dirty work and push him further up field where he's most dangerous.
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I'd say we need a Carrick of circa 2012-13 to come in and do all the things expected of a midfielder and a Nainggolan type (whose role Herrera does to a lesser impact) but then the thing is Mkhitaryan does too much in the hole in an attacking sense to justify moving from a 4-2-3-1 and altering his role and it does not affect Mhki only but Mata, Rashford and Martial because only one of them will be guaranteed a starting role alongside Mkhi and Zlatan. To me the best solution if for Pogba to man up or be dropped and us to sign a solid DM who will play with him in a midfield two or whoever comes in for him.
 
Infordin said:
True, not arguing that Pjanic is better than Pogba overall, just saying that Juventus haven't lost anything by replacing one with the other.

Last season Pogba was involved in 26 goals in 49 appearances for Juventus. Almost an identical record to Pjanic now.
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It helps Allegri switched to 4-2-3-1 to accommodate his (and the most talented team mates) abilities though, Pjanic failed both in a diamond as a deeper playmaker or a n.10 and playing a la Modric in a 4-3-3. Pogba is the icing on the cake, a box-to-box midfielder in need of an oiled team around him.
 
rpg said:
I'm starting to feel Pogba wasn't a sensible buy anymore. He doesn't fit into that class of proper midfielder who is good both defensively and offensively. All he has shown so far he is good at holding up the ball against 2 players and occasional long range ball forward.
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Give him time.
 
He needs to be benched he is becoming a liability.. His defensive work isn´t good enough and he isn´t contributing enough to our attacking.. He looks jaded and tired.
 
Jose post match - "Pogba was by far the best player on the pitch.... A giant.... after him, all my other boys were fantastic."

(Source: Sky Sports article)
 
HTG said:
Well, he has a different kind of creativity to him. He can't build up the play, can't control the game etc. Right now, nobody on your team can. That's the issue. Not only Pogba needs players to do this, everybody does. But you threw so much money at him, that people expect him to do things he's not capable of.
But Pogba can shoot, he can control balls in tight spaces, he can situatively play the wings, he can cross and he can offer penetration in the last third of the field. But he needs players to give him the ball and create space.
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Well said.
 
Pjanic plus kante cost 60.
Pogba cost 90.

We overpaid for a player worth no more than 30. Reading the comments above its clear no one understands what his role shpuld be or what he offers. I dont no either. Does he attack or defend, pass or score, tackle or shoot? To me all he does is run around like a headless chicken runnimg into players.
 
I think he's knackered and needs a couple of weeks out, he's a decent player with bags of ability but had played a ton of football over the last year and is showing as he making more and more daft mistakes, Jose needs to earn his crust by resting him for a week or so, be madness to start him on Thursday give the kid a rest
 
I have always preferred midfielders who do the fundamentals really, really well over fancy types like Pogba. I consider someone like Keane 10x the player Pogba will ever be.
 
Nothing wrong with his mentality, shit is not coming off for him and IMO it's physical. He needs a rest. Pogba will become one of the best CM's in football, give him time. It's not his fault we paid whatever we paid for him.
 
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