Paul Pogba

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Ash_G said:
I guess though that's the problem with taking young players from smaller academies and bringing them in to massive squads. I mean Pogba is an odd one because we clearly had the weakness in the middle but at the same time he was perhaps a little too raw that season. In all honesty I think if we had had another peak midfielder around who could have looked after him we might have seen him more. Games he could have played were games Carrick likely would have been rested and we didn't have anyone else who could look after someone in the middle.

It's like with Januzaj atm he's saying all the right things but when you look at the sheer number of players he's currently competing with, Rooney, kagawa, welbeck, hernandez, valencia, nani, young, zaha, for a spot in the team with RVP, you can easily see it might be very tough for him to get games, same with Powell and Henriquez. These guys are too good for the reserve league and so to progress they need to play either for us, where it looks unlikely they'd get much time or on loan which is rarely ideal.

That's the other problem with Chelsea and City investing so much in established players in recent years. It's meant there's very little room for error which always makes it harder to bring in a younger player due to the added risk.
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Agreed, good post.
 
This thread just goes round and round in circles every time he kicks a ball, with the same "we fecked up here", "bollocks, no we didn't" argument regurgitated every time.
 
Essentially we traded 6 months of a good Scholes for years of Pogba.

It was the return of a club legend and so wasn't scrutinized. But we didn't win anything that year, despite Scholes' brilliance, and he hardly contributed last year. It might not have been the best choice by Fergie.
 
Marchisio damaged his knee ligaments and will be out for a while, Pogba will not leave Juventus as this is a big opportunity for him to establish as a first teamer.
 
kouroux said:
Marchisio damaged his knee ligaments and will be out for a while, Pogba will not leave Juventus as this is a big opportunity for him to establish as a first teamer.
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I think that was bound to happen anyways this season.
 


The biggest talent we have ever lost bar Ronaldo. At least we got a few years and money out of Ronaldo. People often blame agent or the player whatever but he WAS our player so it can only down to us to not keep hold of him.
 
He shows a really special level of awareness at times. That turn at 2:28 is a classic example - he does things a lot of the time that many people won't even spot or think to do.

Can't actually think of another player like him, to be honest. The Vieira comparisons were always lazy, and I think he's definitely got it in him to become even better than him if he really applies himself. That mix of athleticism, technical ability and genius is extremely rare and could turn him into an absolute force of nature.
 
Livewire1974 said:
His brain/agent might put a stop on that.
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He made the right decision leaving us. We made the wrong one loosing him. Pogba agent only care about his client and not us. Seem a good bit of advice from his agent here.

People just think if an agent advise a player to leave united they must be mental.
 
quiet_united said:


The biggest talent we have ever lost bar Ronaldo. At least we got a few years and money out of Ronaldo. People often blame agent or the player whatever but he WAS our player so it can only down to us to not keep hold of him.
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I know its only a you tube compilation but he looks a better player than Thiago there.
 
Decotron said:
Jesus christ. He made the decision with his agent, get over it.
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He chose to come to us didnt he? It's not like he never wants to come here. There's nothing to get over here just the fact that he could be the best/most suitable midfielder we could have.
 
Livewire1974 said:
His brain/agent might put a stop on that.
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Yep, true. If it they don't though...fecking hell. Don't think it can be overstated how good a player of his attributes could become if he matures properly as a footballer.
 
He would have been absolutely perfect for our midfield, tremendous power and overall skill. Sir Alex should have dealt with that better, one of his rare occasional shortcomings.
 
Il Prete Rosso said:
Christ!
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meant that United also assess mentatility/attitude and his stank, and still does he's still bitter about fergie, playing or not was not as crucial as his strops that undermined Fergie,. Take it from me if RM or Barca come knocking his ugly attitude will reveal itself, as good as him and Moririson were thye didnt have the love for the club the likes of Januzaj and Lingard have shown with their patience and dedication. MUFC greatly value respect and the like of Pogba, Morrison and maybe even Rooney will be shown the door before the cancer spreads, and I value that more than losing out on such a talented player.
 
RVP was a complete nutter at PSV. Pogba's attitude is fine, he just didnt want to wait for his chances when he knew he could do better than the players being picked instead of him. Also unlike Januzaj and Lingard he's a beast physically and was clearly ready to play in the premier league without worry on that end. Pogba may not be loyal to Juventus if the top clubs in the world want him, he probably wont be. But we'd have been silly to expect anything different to that considering how we got him in the first place, exploiting his lack of loyalty
 
Ekeke said:
RVP was a complete nutter at PSV. Pogba's attitude is fine, he just didnt want to wait for his chances when he knew he could do better than the players being picked instead of him. Also unlike Januzaj and Lingard he's a beast physically and was clearly ready to play in the premier league without worry on that end. Pogba may not be loyal to Juventus if the top clubs in the world want him, he probably wont be. But we'd have been silly to expect anything different to that considering how we got him in the first place, exploiting his lack of loyalty
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true, but as he developed immensely under us and chose to go to a lesser team, we cant force him to stay if he's not willing to wait, our league battle was crucial and for betterment or not, Fergie chose experience of Scholes and and even other more experienced players (even if out of position). Even though he was good enough he didn't have the experience to be relied on, and Fergie had his reasons and own way of nurturing talent. We can say all we want but Fergie saw everything behind the scenes and never really pushed for him to stay near the end, there must have been something irritating the manager, to slowly let him slip away, maybe his infamous agent or something else. we lost out no need to dwell on it everytime he plays, that's a boat that sailed and most likely will never return.
 
gulli_G said:
true, but as he developed immensely under us and chose to go to a lesser team, we cant force him to stay if he's not willing to wait, our league battle was crucial and for betterment or not, Fergie chose experience of Scholes and and even other more experienced players (even if out of position). Even though he was good enough he didn't have the experience to be relied on, and Fergie had his reasons and own way of nurturing talent. We can say all we want but Fergie saw everything behind the scenes and never really pushed for him to stay near the end, there must have been something irritating the manager, to slowly let him slip away, maybe his infamous agent or something else. we lost out no need to dwell on it everytime he plays, that's a boat that sailed and most likely will never return.
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Yes Fergie saw more of him then we could, but that's not to say Fergie would not have been biased. Fergie has made mistakes before, and even admitted it in the case of Stam. And for someone so young like Pogba to upset Fergie must be insulting, so its possible that Fergie would never own up.

Fact is Pogba wanted first team football, but was impatient. Fergie probably didn't trust him yet / didn't like his attitude and they both kind of erupted and Pogba left.

Pogba is exactly the CM we are looking for though, he could become one of very best midfielders of the next 10 years.
 
He's going to be twice the CM Fellaini is. Will be a bit of a farce if he's the one we end up with playing there, when there are quite a few similarities with them (but also some differences). I suppose its 2 different managers though, Moyes would probably have loved to have a powerful player like him to use
 
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