Robbie Boy
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This was doing the rounds yesterday, too.
This should upset a few people although it sounds like pure speculation:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-on-pursuit-of-stevan-jovetic-and-paul-pogba?
Bleacher Report? Colin? This is low for you....
Jamie Lindsay @Jamie_Lindsay 1m
"When I told SAF I was leaving, he shouted 'Where are you going? Go to Juventus? There's a lot of racism. Not like English fans" #MUFC
"What sense does it make to remain just to say 'I play at Manchester' but always be on the bench? SAF never proved to really want me."
"[SAF] said some very nice things about me, about my potential. But he never really proved he wanted me in the squad." #MUFC
"[Conte] told me that 'age does not matter'. If you think you can impose yourself here with us then come & show us what you can do."
Pogba "A young man of 19 years who says no to Ferguson enters the annals of law, and I have earned the nickname Mandela for this." #MUFC
"I told [SAF] that racism is everywhere and that I was only interested in playing." Interview is in France Football. #MUFC
He seems up himself, but in a way he's made the right decision in leaving. We can talk all we want about United's record with youth development and giving young players a chance, and Pogba probably would have been given time eventually, but the fact is that we had a talented youngster waiting there but instead put guys like Park and Rafael out of position ahead of him.
He's went to Juventus and features a lot more for them. He regularly gets game time there at a club of similar level currently and of relatively similar stature overall. Say what you want about him, but there's a case that he made the right decision in leaving and that we should've given him more time and tried to hang onto him more.
Let's talk about what really happened...
1. He had an outstanding 2010/11 season helping us win the FA Youth Cup and was a major 'potential' talent alongside Ravel Morrison
2. His form in the reserves during 2011/12 was very average
3. Fergie gave him a run out in all three League Cup games and he did ok without doing anything brilliant
4. The game against Blackburn saw us suffer terrible injury problems and Fergie played an experienced international midfielder in Ji Sung Park and took a gamble on Rafael as Carrick played centre half...when it didn't pay off he brought on more experience in Anderson at half-time. Pogba had three sub appearances behind him and was putting in average performances in the reserves. There was no logical reason Fergie would have started him and if anyone should have been pissed off that Rafael was starting it was Anderson.
5. Ferguson offered Pogba a new contract but the agent wanted a 'guarantee' of first team football. Ferguson doesn't guarantee any player a first team place so why would he do so with an inexperienced 18 year old?
6. Fergie gave Pogba more first team experience in the league and in Europe but he still decided not to sign a contract even though Fergie assured him he would get more chances this term regardless of his poor showing for the reserves during 2011/12
7. At the end of the season the agent spoke to numerous clubs and the player and his agent decided a move to Juventus would be better.
8. Fergie once again spoke to the player who refused to budge.
9. The player moved to Italy.
So, that's basically it.
I spoke to another agent who looks after youth players and in their opinion Pogba was 'badly advised' and the United offer was 'in line with other players of the same age, experience and potential'.
So either he or his agent was asking for 'guarantees' that were not forthcoming - understandably - and Fergie was reluctant to give someone a start in an important league game whose form didn't merit it.
When Tom Cleverley was asked about Scholes return...he said he was 'delighted because he had the opportunity of learning from him'...
Pogba left because he/his agent were impatient and wanted to dictate terms to the club.
Other more famous players have tried that in the past and got nowhere.
Pogba just didn't want to play for us so the club let him go.
All this talk of 'the one who got away' or 'we dropped a clanger' is basically bollocks.
Finally, we have the best record in the football league of bringing kids through and giving youngsters a chance. We don't need to look in the mirror at all when it comes to youth development.
He seems up himself, but in a way he's made the right decision in leaving. We can talk all we want about United's record with youth development and giving young players a chance, and Pogba probably would have been given time eventually, but the fact is that we had a talented youngster waiting there but instead put guys like Park and Rafael out of position ahead of him.
He's went to Juventus and features a lot more for them. He regularly gets game time there at a club of similar level currently and of relatively similar stature overall. Say what you want about him, but there's a case that he made the right decision in leaving and that we should've given him more time and tried to hang onto him more.
I notice Paul doesn't mention whether the people calling him Mandela were rolling their eyes and sniggering or not.
There is a case, but I agree with what MUJAC said:
This should upset a few people although it sounds like pure speculation:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-on-pursuit-of-stevan-jovetic-and-paul-pogba?
I understand why he wasn't given a lot of first team football and why we weren't overly desperate to keep him at the time, but it's the more the attitude of people here who seem to continue convincing themselves that we were completely right in getting rid of him. Last year everyone was saying that he was making the wrong decision in leaving and that he'd come to regret it, yet he's shown in the end that he was completely right in leaving because he's been given a lot more time to play at Juventus.
I can see why we didn't cave into his demands last year and I think he comes across as incredibly arrogant for a player who's hardly a world superstar, but this idea that we were still right to get rid of him seems a bit like denial.
Nobody cares anymore, Pogs.
Who's to say he wouldn't of got the opportunity here that he got at Juventus? His move coincided with the year that he probably would've stepped up to our first team.
In the end he was just impatient, we had 3 22 year olds and a 20 year old playing in the Bernabeu!
Pogba's reasons for leaving United. I don't think you can blame him too much. He would have been a perfect fit for our midfield if we'd given him a chance, but we ignored him even when everyone was injured and we played Park and Rafael in midfield that one time. He went to Juventus and has plenty of opportunities in the first team.
He's a horrible little mercenary...shat over 2 clubs already and caught spitting at fans...He must be adoring the racism in Italy if he has resorted to spitting.....He's trying to twist everything to make it look like he left as he wasn't getting games from Fergie when he knows dam well that Fergie would have given him as many games this season for utd as he got at Juve...he simply wasn't ready the season before last for the first team....Juve offered him cash a long time before anyone knew he was leaving utd and he took the money and ran...it was all about money...Fergie probably knew he was a money grabber and might have felt he wasn't worth the hassle....We will find young midfielders just as talented but without the attitude of this kid....can't wait to see Juve fans turn on him when he pisses off to real madrid in a year or two
We did nothing wrong with Pogba. You don't throw a 19 year old into a title race, regardless of talent. If he was that concerned to make a breakthrough he could have put in a bit more effort in the reserve matches instead of moping around showing an arrogance that he was too good for that level.
Next time a young man is faced with racism he must ask himself a simple question "What would Paul Pogba do?"
We did nothing wrong with Pogba. You don't throw a 19 year old into a title race, regardless of talent. If he was that concerned to make a breakthrough he could have put in a bit more effort in the reserve matches instead of moping around showing an arrogance that he was too good for that level.