Paul Pogba

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nahelai you're the only one being naive. Have you forgotten Pogba's carling cup performances? He played very nervously in the 2 he did play in, lets also take into account that he felt he was too good for the reserves and was not doing anything to excel or even do anything to stand out in reserves last season.

taking all this into account, let us also remember that you've alluded to the fact that Carrick was playing out of position into defence. So you wanted Pogba to start in midfield, so you would have given his PL debut alongside either Park or Rafael? Honestly not? Pogba would have crumbled that day imo when you consider his carling cup performances and I don't think Fergie would ever want to put any youngster in such a situation in a makeshift team that could potentially shatter any of his confidence if he were to feck up.

yet you call me naive?
 
nahealai said:
I'll say it again; the now infamous Blackburn home game last season must have made Pogba's mind up for him. Our first-choice central midfielder was forced to play at centre-back due to injuries, our second, third, fourth and fifth-choice central midfielders were sidelined due to injuries and discipline problems, and who do we start in midfield? Ji-Sung Park and Rafael. Pogba must have been thinking, if Ferguson isn't picking me in these drastic circumstances (and remember Blackburn were bottom of the league so Pogba would have been well at/above their level), when will he?

I firmly believe his agent was meddling with the kid's head angling for a move, but that particular game must have confirmed it for the chap himself.
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Come on mate, one game can't decide this.

Was just one game and Fergie had mentioned in the press many time next season, he will play.
 
Brwned said:
We absolutely could have played him there and there's every chance he would've been better than Rafael in that position. I just don't see why we should - like JustAFan says it's all about player power. You have to earn those minutes before you start demanding them and he seems to think being talented and looking good in the reserves is enough to earn it. Not for me. Even if you're a special talent you're going to have to work your bollocks off to get in the side. Looks like he never did.
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Agree wholeheartedly.
 
Pogba would have given us as much headaches as Tevez. Would have wanted a pay rise every 6 months and would have flirted with Real and Barca every 6 months unless he got what he was looking for.
If Fergie feels he needs to find another young central midfielder with as much potential as Pogba then he will find one somewhere.
With Juventus's proven track record or doping their own players in the past while also owning referees through bribes......I think it's fair to say that Pogba is in a place that lives up to the same principles and beliefs that he has
 
I think Raiola would tell his clients that Anelka had the perfect football career: constantly moving for big fees. I suspect that's his goal with all his clients, to move as often as possible for the biggest fee possible.
 
Brwned said:
We absolutely could have played him there and there's every chance he would've been better than Rafael in that position. I just don't see why we should - like JustAFan says it's all about player power. You have to earn those minutes before you start demanding them and he seems to think being talented and looking good in the reserves is enough to earn it. Not for me. Even if you're a special talent you're going to have to work your bollocks off to get in the side. Looks like he never did.
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Lazy talk really. He wouldn't make the Conte Juventus first 11 if he had no desire to work his bollocks off to get in that side. So to claim that is possibly the reason he left United is laughable as laughable as this sudden need or fans in here have of trashing his character just because he left.


It's as if many on here imagine other big clubs are stupid and just pick any git fresh from the United academy who has highly rated ability regardless of his attitude.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Lazy talk really. He wouldn't make the Conte Juventus first 11 if he had no desire to work his bollocks off to get in that side. So to claim that is possibly the reason he left United is laughable as laughable as this sudden need or fans in here have of trashing his character just because he left.

It's as if many on here imagine other big clubs are stupid and just pick any git fresh from the United academy who has highly rated ability regardless of his attitude.
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Open your eyes chief....its obvious. he hardly left due to his impeccable attitude now did he?

Look at his reaction to be being "snubbed" as im sure he might have seen it....Petrucci outplayed him in the reserves in his last 12 months with us.
 
oh come on...feck Pogba...gone and forgotten and a piece of merchandise for an svengali agent....he will never be a world class player because he won't stay with any club longer than a couple of seasons.

he's gone...close thread.
 
The pogba situation is a real funny one. If Fergie had everything he wanted, Pogba surely would have had a few starts.

That summer we missed out on Sneijder, Sir Alex came out saying if we don't play Pogba, he will leave. In its own convoluted way, that's exactly what happened.

How all that transpired is more interesting but without getting into the details I want to say this. Our performance in the league last season kind of surprised me. If you looked at who we had, and the players just being introduced, you'd be tempted to think it was a transitional season. Some were billing it that way at the start of the season. Yet we just kept winning games and putting a realistic title charge together. After our horror show against City, we began coasting matches and picking up 1-0 wins and then Scholes came back.

Where we were at that time, there was too much at stake to start Pogba in these matches and it seemed as if Fergie was content in letting him sit on the bench. There were also times where Pogba was on the bench in what was seen as an easy game. I'm sure he expected the team to be in a comfortable winning position and then introduce Pogba in a less pressurised environment. However that never really materialised did it? There were a few occasions where he played but at most Pogba got very minute cameos. Perhaps this was enough for him to make his mind up, however I don't think the circumstances worked in his favor in terms of playing time.

Once again, I find it funny that what Fergie said about not playing Pogba became true. However, I doubt he thought it would transpire the way it did. We could be in a very different situation today if he never picked up Raiola.

I have no ill feelings towards Pogba. There's a group of United fans who take umbrage to what Pogba did and are still bitter towards him. We have fans who thought he would be a star for us and now think he'll become a lesser player just because he left. It's a bit much. I'm not sure I understand it so maybe someone can help me out. It was a disappointing situation but when you have a young lad who is quite impressionable and no real ties to the club, what do you expect? It seems he's at mercy of his agent which is a shame as Raiola could potentially ruin his Pogba's career.
 
Decotron said:
Open your eyes chief....its obvious. he hardly left due to his impeccable attitude now did he?
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He left because we didn't show any real desire to keep him or use him. That has feck all to do with attitude. SAF himself said under utilising the kid would cost us his signature. Yet he went on and did exactly that. To blame the kid for living or to call his attitude poor for what has resulted is silliness.

I'm just totally glad it made space for us to bag Powell. A player sure to never want to leave United as he develops into a first team player here. That for me is fantastic compensation.
 
The guy has been a dick at every club so far, fair enough if the clubs he go to can afford a knob in their team like balotelli but we have a history of geting rid of those who arent focused. My only regret is we didnt command a sizeable fee for him
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/86/i...sts-he-will-not-be-late-for-juventus-training
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Words are words, and it's easy for Juventus to put pressure on him when he's in the first year of a multi-year contract. If he didn't apologise, he wouldn't play and it's no major loss to them really.

If he's so lacking in respect that he does that in the first few months at a new club, what do you think he was like in that final year at United? You think he turned up for training on time every day and worked as hard as he could, or is it more likely he half arsed it and felt entitled to play because of his talent?
 
From @DoronSalomon on Twitter -
Pretty blunt stuff from Pogba: "I didn’t want to sign a contract as Ferguson didn’t play me, even though there were no midfielders there."
More Pogba: "When I saw Scholes come back part of me was really happy as he’s a legend, but I knew it was the end for me"

From this article apparently, http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/europe/article3683022.ece
 
To be fair, we should have given him more chances. No other way around it. We lost a gem in Pogba.
 
I get he wanted to play more 1st team games but doesn't come across well at all in that interview. Anway those Juve rumours start long before Scholes returned, he was gone as good as gone as soon as Raiola became his agent. Raiola has already start this crap at Juve as KM posted a few weeks ago "Pogba is not on sale. He will stay at Juventus. At least until July"
 
2 things are for sure. He's ambitious, going to Juve who have a much better CM pool than we do. And the second is he was right that hes ready to play and that he was going to get more game time at Juventus.
 
Maybe he should have put the work in to convince SAF he was ready, rather than expecting to be handed first team football just because he thought he was ready.

feck him, he's a talent but it takes more than that alone.
 
If he was ready for first team competitive football last year maybe he should have shown it either during his first team run outs or at least in the reserve team.
His lack of application in the reserves last season was shocking for a player of his talent.

Sir Alex isn't going to play some 18 year old who has done fook all ahead of players who put a shift in just because he is talented. If you want to play you have to earn it at this club and that is how we've built our success over the last 20 years. We submit to Morrison and Pobga because we are scared to lose them, then Januzaj and Daehli feel entitled to games when they get bored of the reserve team and the rot creeps into the club from the ground up.
 
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http://redflagflyinghigh.com/2013/0...manchester-city-stranger-things-have-happened


Pogba To Manchester City? Stranger Things Have Happened

Posted on Friday, 8th February 2013 by Jay

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Pogba thanks the fans for supporting him during his illustrious United career.

Paul Pogba moving to Manchester City seems pretty far-fetched considering the youngster only just signed for the Old Lady last Summer. The world of football is so rife with transfer speculation that it’s now become almost a game itself, anyone can play it’s really simple. Just choose a random player from anywhere in the world, say Wayne Rooney, then add a club erm, Barcelona, then a fee oh I dunno say £30 million. Then tweet it, or post it somewhere and eventually the rumour will gather enough pace to be labelled ‘possible.’ Also if the rumour is so ridiculous it cannot be true then simply throw in the word ‘eventually’ and you’re golden.

One such rumour that’s reared its less than attractive little head on the interweb of late is the idea that former Manchester United legend Paul Pogba could be earmarked as a long-term target of Manchester City.

The rumour gained a bit of weight due to the alleged closeness of Patrick Vieira and the Juventus midfielder and the fact that Vieira has been spotted at France under 20 games featuring Pogba. Now obviously Vieira as a Frenchman and also a Manchester City ‘Development Executive’ – such a grand title that I may just award myself next time I’m on the toilet- will be attending games featuring young French players.

The reason Pogba speculation is rife is not only because Vieira is friendly with him but also the young midfielder is without doubt a supremely gifted player who stands out from his peers.

Pogba admitted last year that Vieira advised him to leave United and sign for City- something that left a sour taste in the mouth for many Reds. The question is could City billions tempt the youngster to leave Juventus? This Summer may be a move too soon, but is anyone really doubtful that Vieira’s ‘advice’ could have far-reaching repercussions.

Is this nonsense or have City got their eye on a long-term replacement for Yaya Toure?

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Seeing Pogba go to City would really piss me off. Who knows what really happened last season but I have to believe, short of questions of character in Fergie's mind, that Fergie would have given Pogba some serious match time this season. But maybe not, maybe Pogba saw that he'd never been a fair chance to prove himself and maybe he's perfectly correct in his assessment. A shame.
 
He should have got games. There's no point denying it. What you do in the reserves means zero when we know he's too good for that and people saying he wasn't good enough when he did play, should know that you give players time and the teams he featured in were c teams....When you play with the first team, it's completely different rather then teams where you have 5/6 looking to impress to break through. His value will only rise.

But he has a bad agent and he's turned Pogbas head. It's a pity but no point fretting.
 
Should he of got more games? Possibly. Should he of been more patient? Absolutely without a doubt. He's not even 20 yet FFS.
 
charlenefan said:
Should he of got more games? Possibly. Should he of been more patient? Absolutely without a doubt. He's not even 20 yet FFS.
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Rafael would have been only 21 when he was picked instead of Pogba in CM. I would have been pissed if a RB was picked over me in my specialised position.
 
That was one game, even with Pogba being the only available CM that day I dont think Fergie was ever likely to throw him in from nowhere

And on your point about Rafael's age Pogba's not even 20 yet so 2 years ago he would of been 17/18 3 years younger than what you're saying Rafael's age was
 
charlenefan said:
That was one game, even with Pogba being the only available CM that day I dont think Fergie was ever likely to throw him in from nowhere

And on your point about Rafael's age Pogba's not even 20 yet so 2 years ago he would of been 17/18 3 years younger than what you're saying Rafael's age was
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One game for him to make an impact in his specialised position. It would be different if Rafael had experience there, but he didn't.

Put yourself in his position.
 
Shark22 said:
One game for him to make an impact in his specialised position. It would be different if Rafael had experience there, but he didn't.

Put yourself in his position.
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I have and I cant fathom why anyone with a brain cell would quit one of the biggest clubs in the world simply because I hadn't made it into the first team aged 19 especially when it's clear said club want to keep me
 
charlenefan said:
I have and I cant fathom why anyone with a brain cell would quit one of the biggest clubs in the world simply because I hadn't made it into the first team aged 19 especially when it's clear said club want to keep me
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Because he is playing regularly for another of the biggest clubs in the world?
 
lets not forget paul scholes came back and was absolutely class for 4 months sparking a great winning run that dragged us back into the title race. pogba shouldve sat, watched and been proud to learn and then take his chance when it came.
 
MJJ said:
Because he is playing regularly for another of the biggest clubs in the world?
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Yes it's worked out well for him but who's to say he wouldn't of been more involved this season? Cleverley had barely kicked a ball for the first team before the start of last season and he yet he was clearly in the managers plans for that season, same could of been the case for Pogba this season. We'll never know...
 
charlenefan said:
I have and I cant fathom why anyone with a brain cell would quit one of the biggest clubs in the world simply because I hadn't made it into the first team aged 19 especially when it's clear said club want to keep me
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It's not like Juventus aren't a rather big club either though.

If he was as talented as SAF seemed to believe he was, well then he should have at least gotten a game in CM over a young RB IMO. One game or not.
 
charlenefan said:
I have and I cant fathom why anyone with a brain cell would quit one of the biggest clubs in the world simply because I hadn't made it into the first team aged 19 especially when it's clear said club want to keep me
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I am fairly sure he is perfectly happy with his decision as of right now.
 
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