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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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Harry190 said:
Right now, he's acting like Beckham 2003 more than Beckham 99.

I don't buy into the agent rhetoric. He still decides at the end of the day. I'm not a big fan of player power either. He does not dictate when he plays.
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This is the same agent that Lukaku signed on with a few weeks after joining Everton, and first order of business was to tell the media if he was his agent a month ago he'd never have left him join Everton.

Players may make the decisions, but that doesn't make Raiola any less of a massive arsehole.
 
Fortitude said:
1st Para: Mourinho brings with him an aura and a reputation as well as the ability to sell a 'project' to all his recruits and make us look far more attractive a proposition than we perhaps deserve to be at the moment. This is the time where the club can wipe the slate clean and say things start from next season. Pogba has an ego that can be assuaged by being brought to a club and seen as one of the players who can elevate it. He's going to get that at both City and United. From his perspective, it's got to be a massively appealing package.

2nd Para: On the contrary. Pogba has spoken fondly of his formative years here both on and off the pitch. It's a big deal in that we know he can settle straight back into life here and get on with things in the shortest amount of time. Enticing top players who already at top clubs in plush locations is half the battle, and with Pogba, it's not an issue.

3rd Para: Pogba has aspirations of being the best player in the world. He's not going to earn those kind of plaudits or recognitions in France. I feel PSG tend to get the scraps most of the time outside of exceptional circumstances. Pogba can name his wage at City and I'm sure we wouldn't shirk at matching it or offering a commercial package that better benefits him and brings parity with the likes of PSG and City. If Mourinho really wants the player, there's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be seen as strong contenders for his signature even with the CL not being on the table.

None of Kroos, Cesc or Thiago had Pogba's profile nor commercial value and Muller hasn't gone anywhere. Pogba is already a star, but he's not far off becoming a superstar, and if he were to be a success here, he'd immediately elevate himself into the top bracket in terms of brand.

If LVG were still here, I'd laugh off the possibility of him coming here with us in the doldrums, but now we're getting Mourinho, the dynamic, and our appeal, change dramatically.

Last point: the Euros could change everything, because if he has a huge tournament, Madrid will do everything in their power to bring him in and that's where our appeal to him would flounder, imo. If ourselves or City are to land him, it'd either have to be before the Euros, or, with him having a mediocre tournament that doesn't make him a ready-made Galactico.
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1st bolded part : Then why is he flirting with the idea of joining Barcelona and Madrid. He has indicated these are the sort of clubs he wants to play for.

2nd Bolded part : It is a big deal except when there is a more appealing location on offer which we have witnessed in the past.

3rd bolded part: That is far from the truth. Zlatan is consistently shortlisted for the Balon D'or and recognised as one of the top 3 or 4 strikers in the world despite scoring most of his goals in Ligue 1. So long as Paul playes well fro France and Paris in the league and Champions League, he'll get recognition as one of the best.

4th Bolded part: I agree whole heartedly.

5th Bolded part : Pogba is not as bigger name than proven world cup winners like Cesc who broke through into top football at just 16 and Toni Kroos who is a serial winner at all levels. I don't know or see how is commercial profile could be bigger. Maybe in Italy but surely not world wide. I am not privy to it so I don't know the truth either way.

6th bolded part : most definitely
 
Stacks said:
1st bolded part : Then why is he flirting with the idea of joining Barcelona and Madrid. He has indicated these are the sort of clubs he wants to play for.

2nd Bolded part : It is a big deal except when there is a more appealing location on offer which we have witnessed in the past.

3rd bolded part: That is far from the truth. Zlatan is consistently shortlisted for the Balon D'or and recognised as one of the top 3 or 4 strikers in the world despite scoring most of his goals in Ligue 1. So long as Paul playes well fro France and Paris in the league and Champions League, he'll get recognition as one of the best.

4th Bolded part: I agree whole heartedly.

5th Bolded part : Pogba is not as bigger name than proven world cup winners like Cesc who broke through into top football at just 16 and Toni Kroos who is a serial winner at all levels. I don't know or see how is commercial profile could be bigger. Maybe in Italy but surely not world wide. I am not privy to it so I don't know the truth either way.

6th bolded part : most definitely
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He is actually bigger, just look how Adidas are already using him, he on the verge of becoming a global superstar (outside of football) in a way that Cesc and Kroos have never got anywhere near. Its not just about being a great footballer, his brand is already huge.
 
Cassidy said:
He is actually bigger, just look how Adidas are already using him, he on the verge of becoming a global superstar (outside of football) in a way that Cesc and Kroos have never got anywhere near. Its not just about being a great footballer, his brand is already huge.
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Maybe but again I am yet to see many players move to clubs for the sake of their brand. I cannot even think of an example. I have however seen players choose other clubs over Man Utd or decide to remain at their current smaller clubs irrespective of this "powerful" Man Utd brand.
 
Stacks said:
Maybe but again I am yet to see many players move to clubs for the sake of their brand. I cannot even think of an example. I have however seen players choose other clubs over Man Utd or decide to remain at their current smaller clubs irrespective of this "powerful" Man Utd brand.
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I agree, although its pretty much the same as a player moving for money
 
Cassidy said:
I agree, although its pretty much the same as a player moving for money
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But according to the Cafe.net, money isn't an issue for Man Utd and we can offer superior if not comparable wages, so why have we always seemed to lose out on the biggest names? I think people on here underestimate the integrity of footballers whilst overstating the appeal of our brand. They are boys living their dream and from a young age were accustomed to collecting trophies (5-aside competitions, amateur league titles, POTY awards) and I don't think that changes when they make it pro. They still place those titles and individual awards at the forefront.
 
Stacks said:
1st bolded part : Then why is he flirting with the idea of joining Barcelona and Madrid. He has indicated these are the sort of clubs he wants to play for.

2nd Bolded part : It is a big deal except when there is a more appealing location on offer which we have witnessed in the past.

3rd bolded part: That is far from the truth. Zlatan is consistently shortlisted for the Balon D'or and recognised as one of the top 3 or 4 strikers in the world despite scoring most of his goals in Ligue 1. So long as Paul playes well fro France and Paris in the league and Champions League, he'll get recognition as one of the best.

4th Bolded part: I agree whole heartedly.

5th Bolded part : Pogba is not as bigger name than proven world cup winners like Cesc who broke through into top football at just 16 and Toni Kroos who is a serial winner at all levels. I don't know or see how is commercial profile could be bigger. Maybe in Italy but surely not world wide. I am not privy to it so I don't know the truth either way.

6th bolded part : most definitely
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1st: eventually. If he goes to Madrid before being a bona fide superstar, he's a fool. Barcelona, no matter what he wants, aren't an option with their financial constraints. It makes more sense to wait out a move to either club when the climate is more favourable i.e. in 2-3 years with a higher profile than he has now, unless he takes the Euros by storm and by way of that is catapulted into the superstar tier, which does have a chance of happening.

2nd: Pogba's situation is unique, so I don't know how it has been witnessed previously? A number of fans don't want Pogba back for the fact he was ours and paying some astronomical fee to bring him 'home' is outrageous to their minds. Bit of a tangent, but it highlights how unique a situation it is. Pogba didn't bemoan the climate or anything about Manchester when he was here. As far as I know, he hasn't mentioned it in his criteria for future destinations, either. I think the fact he has been here before (the city) and had no complaints, is a huge boon for both Manchester clubs, personally.

3rd: Zlatan has never been a contender (1-3) for WPOTY, let alone at PSG. I'm talking about a genuine contender.

5th: I'm sorry, but he is. Pogba's profile comfortably outstrips all the players you mentioned except for Muller's, who is a marketing behemoth in his homeland.
 
ivaldo said:
The amount of teams with Zlatan in it, would honestly prefer Rashford.
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Why not both?
Ibra sitting behind Rashford & Martial?
I think this would be a league winning attacking trio.
 
Fortitude said:
1st: eventually. If he goes to Madrid before being a bona fide superstar, he's a fool. Barcelona, no matter what he wants, aren't an option with their financial constraints. It makes more sense to wait out a move to either club when the climate is more favourable i.e. in 2-3 years with a higher profile than he has now, unless he takes the Euros by storm and by way of that is catapulted into the superstar tier, which does have a chance of happening.

2nd: Pogba's situation is unique, so I don't know how it has been witnessed previously? A number of fans don't want Pogba back for the fact he was ours and paying some astronomical fee to bring him 'home' is outrageous to their minds. Bit of a tangent, but it highlights how unique a situation it is. Pogba didn't bemoan the climate or anything about Manchester when he was here. As far as I know, he hasn't mentioned it in his criteria for future destinations, either. I think the fact he has been here before (the city) and had no complaints, is a huge boon for both Manchester clubs, personally.

3rd: Zlatan has never been a contender (1-3) for WPOTY, let alone at PSG. I'm talking about a genuine contender.

5th: I'm sorry, but he is. Pogba's profile comfortably outstrips all the players you mentioned except for Muller's, who is a marketing behemoth in his homeland.
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How do you prove or verify that Pogba's profile outstrips Toni Kroos's?
 
Stacks said:
How do you prove or verify that Pogba's profile outstrips Toni Kroos's?
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Are you serious?

Is Toni Kroos being head-hunted by adidas to front campaigns for their boots or tied to, rumoured £31m 10yr deals of that calibre, for a start?

Paul Pogba has been earmarked as a superstar for a long time now, and the moment he makes the leap, he's going to be a face/brand we see a whole lot more of than we currently do.

His potential earnings at an adidas club, such as ourselves, will only show exponential growth, if of course, he does well here (should he come).
 
I have a feeling this could be the "Muppet Transfer Thread That Wouldn't Die" winner this summer.
 
Pogba would be a dream signing but cannot see it happening. Things left on a sour note and we have no champions league football. I honestly can't see how people would think he would come here at the moment. He has his choice from any team in Europe in my opinion, we are not competing with the elite football side's at the moment. Thing's could certainly change under mourihno, this time next year. That is the sad truth. Offering high salaries only get a club so far. People do live in dream land with signings at times, kind of sad.
 
032Devil said:
I don't want to see this player anywhere near United.
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Same here.
Is Pogba a mercenary looking for more money?
He has at Juventus, winning trophies competing for CL every season. Is money all that he wants?
 
Fortitude said:
Are you serious?

Is Toni Kroos being head-hunted by adidas to front campaigns for their boots or tied to, rumoured £31m 10yr deals of that calibre, for a start?

Paul Pogba has been earmarked as a superstar for a long time now, and the moment he makes the leap, he's going to be a face/brand we see a whole lot more of than we currently do.

His potential earnings at an adidas club, such as ourselves, will only show exponential growth, if of course, he does well here (should he come).
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http://www.footyheadlines.com/2015/...stom-worn-out-adidas-adipure-11pro-boots.html



Well he is already with Adidas and I don't know how much he earns. I read that this campaign is in celebration to Pogba switching sides to Adidas as a welcome, and it is at the right time with the Euros in France coming up. doesn't make him a global star, it just standard practice. He is being used for the Euro's for advertisement. They have done campaigns with plenty players. If the Euros were in Germany it would be Kroos and Muller. The hype will fade shortly. Also Kroos he does wear custom adidas boots.

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Lionel Messi ADIDAS $20m per year $140m over 7 year deal

Neymar Jr NIKE $9.5m per year $105m over 11 year deal (2012-22)

Cristiano Ronaldo NIKE $21.7mper year $105m over 5 year deal (2014-19

Pogba's deal is peanuts. He isn't a big star
 
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Morpheus 7 said:
Pogba would be a dream signing but cannot see it happening. Things left on a sour note and we have no champions league football. I honestly can't see how people would think he would come here at the moment. He has his choice from any team in Europe in my opinion, we are not competing with the elite football side's at the moment. Thing's could certainly change under mourihno, this time next year. That is the sad truth. Offering high salaries only get a club so far. People do live in dream land with signings at times, kind of sad.
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Apparently, the opportunity to "grow your brand" at United means we can target Neymar, Muller, Bale and Pogba. This is the great leveler. The opportunity to grow ones brand.
 
We should make this happen. He is exactly what we need.

If we are going to be a top club, we need players will the highest possible ceilings. He fits this criteria.

I don't see why he isn't attainable, albeit at a high financial outlay.

Perfect age too.
 
Stacks said:
http://www.footyheadlines.com/2015/...stom-worn-out-adidas-adipure-11pro-boots.html



Well he is already with Adidas so thats a bit moot. I read that this campaign is in celebration to Pogba switching sides to Adidas as a welcome, and it is at the right time with the Euros in France coming up. doesn't make him a global star, it just standard practice. They have done campaigns with plenty players. If the Euros were in Germany it would be Kroos and Muller. The hype will fade shortly. Also Kroos he does wear custom adidas boots
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I feel you're intentionally missing the point here. Kroos wears custom boots - so do a lot of pros. He isn't fronting any campaigns or the main go-to guy in any market for adidas, nor getting anything like a 10yr deal at £31m though, is he? You don't get a 10yr deal at such a high paying rate off the back of a single tournament in your homeland - adidas expect Pogba to become a superstar and are locking him to a deal in accordance with that.

Muller is adidas' German star, or star, period as far as profiles go. Pogba is a tournament away from being France's outright star, himself. But if you are convinced that the likes of Kroos have anything close to the profile Pogba already has, I'll not try and convince you further.
 
Fortitude said:
I feel you're intentionally missing the point here. Kroos wears custom boots - so do a lot of pros. He isn't fronting any campaigns or the main go-to guy in any market for adidas, nor getting anything like a 10yr deal at £31m though, is he? You don't get a 10yr deal at such a high paying rate off the back of a single tournament in your homeland - adidas expect Pogba to become a superstar and are locking him to a deal in accordance with that.

Muller is adidas' German star, or star, period as far as profiles go. Pogba is a tournament away from being France's outright star, himself. But if you are convinced that the likes of Kroos have anything close to the profile Pogba already has, I'll not try and convince you further.
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As I said in the edit, Pogba's deal is peanuts
 
Stacks said:
As I said in the edit, Pogba's deal is peanuts
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Your edit has absolutely nothing to do with the level of player you've been talking about. That's the company Pogba will be keeping in future, not now, which is why I categorically stated that Muller was the only one from your first grouping that Pogba isn't close to at the moment.
 
I think its too painful to contemplate spending this amount of money on a player we could have had for free. I don't blame SAF at all: he made his decisions based on his considerable know how. But there will always be this nagging feeling about that if Pogba joins, it won't ever feel right, and that energy will derail his efforts.

If we are prepared to splash £70m+ on a central midfielder, Id much rather we scout the next equivalent, whoever that may be.
 
I'm a massive Kroos fan and have followed him since his loan spell at Leverkusen.

No way is Kroos a bigger prospect as a player or commercially as Pogba.

Kroos can only operate in a 3 man midfield and he's not the best defensively although he's improving, he's not as skilled as Pogba or as physical.

Pogba is a Vieira and Zidane hybrid potentially (No I'm not saying he's the "next zidane" that would be ridiculous I'm saying there are similarities) in terms of physicality and flair. He's the next big thing in France as a midfielder.

I think he needs to leave Juve to grow at this stage, he's won titles in Italy but he should be looking forward to the next big move. Barcelona can't afford him without selling, they need to bolster their defence too.

Madrid are offloading right now but don't need a midfielder, it'd be between City and United.

I personally think United should tie up Pogba or Griezmann and put substantial money on the table, Zlatan would come on a free its a huge summer for United.

Defensively well there needs to be some plan but maybe it can go a year with sorting out the midfield and front line, if teams are on the backfoot how much defending needs to be done with DDG in net? goals are what was needed this year.
 
TheNewEra said:
I'm a massive Kroos fan and have followed him since his loan spell at Leverkusen.

No way is Kroos a bigger prospect as a player or commercially as Pogba.

Kroos can only operate in a 3 man midfield and he's not the best defensively although he's improving, he's not as skilled as Pogba or as physical.

Pogba is a Vieira and Zidane hybrid potentially (No I'm not saying he's the "next zidane" that would be ridiculous I'm saying there are similarities) in terms of physicality and flair. He's the next big thing in France as a midfielder.

I think he needs to leave Juve to grow at this stage, he's won titles in Italy but he should be looking forward to the next big move. Barcelona can't afford him without selling, they need to bolster their defence too.

Madrid are offloading right now but don't need a midfielder, it'd be between City and United.

I personally think United should tie up Pogba or Griezmann and put substantial money on the table, Zlatan would come on a free its a huge summer for United.

Defensively well there needs to be some plan but maybe it can go a year with sorting out the midfield and front line, if teams are on the backfoot how much defending needs to be done with DDG in net? goals are what was needed this year.
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Barcelona are signing a new kit deal that can amount to £119 million per year. Plus they like these dodgy transfers and add ons. If Barca want him, he is theirs.

I don't feel Pogba is a bigger prospect. Kroos is being used in an unsuitable role, that is all.

It clearly isn't between City and United. That is hopeful and muppetlike. Clearly Chelsea and PSG are genuine contenders. Everyone thought Hazard was off to Manchester. Signs for Chelsea. We might be getting Fabregas. Signs for Chelsea. We are getting Thiago, signs for Bayern. see the pattern here?
 
Stacks said:
Barcelona are signing a new kit deal that can amount to £119 million per year. Plus they like these dodgy transfers and add ons. If Barca want him, he is theirs.

I don't feel Pogba is a bigger prospect. Kroos is being used in an unsuitable role, that is all.

It clearly isn't between City and United. That is hopeful and muppetlike. Clearly Chelsea and PSG are genuine contenders. Everyone thought Hazard was off to Manchester. Signs for Chelsea. We might be getting Fabregas. Signs for Chelsea. We are getting Thiago, signs for Bayern. see the pattern here?
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I think Kroos knows what he's good at and sticks to it, he's very good as passing it's nearly laser precision and he hits the ball so sweetly everytime, he finds space too he is as close to scholes as you would get, but I think Pogba is more diverse and dynamic in his style of play.

I don't think it's because "Kroos is being used wrong" I think it's because he does have limits, he's not a sprinter, a dribbler he's a set-piece specialist and a pass-master but he's not a defensive mid or a player to give moments of sheer brilliance to win a match.
 
Stacks said:
Barcelona are signing a new kit deal that can amount to £119 million per year. Plus they like these dodgy transfers and add ons. If Barca want him, he is theirs.

I don't feel Pogba is a bigger prospect. Kroos is being used in an unsuitable role, that is all.

It clearly isn't between City and United. That is hopeful and muppetlike. Clearly Chelsea and PSG are genuine contenders. Everyone thought Hazard was off to Manchester. Signs for Chelsea. We might be getting Fabregas. Signs for Chelsea. We are getting Thiago, signs for Bayern. see the pattern here?
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With Pedro as well, he was our player for ages and then hes a Chelski player. Thank god for that, some worked out good for us others didn't.

Did we not reject Kroos and Fabregas and also Hazard because of his agents sign on fee?
 
sunama said:
Same here.
Is Pogba a mercenary looking for more money?
He has at Juventus, winning trophies competing for CL every season. Is money all that he wants?
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He moved for playtime and money. How is that even remotely a shot at his character? Our manager didn't trust him enough to play so he took a payday and playing time and it was a masterstroke of a career move. If anything he shouldn't want to move to a club that didn't believe in him.
 
Pogba would be an amazing signing. If we manage to sign him, he will not retire here. So we can sell him in 4 years to Spain and recover the money.
 
Flytan said:
He moved for playtime and money. How is that even remotely a shot at his character? Our manager didn't trust him enough to play so he took a payday and playing time and it was a masterstroke of a career move. If anything he shouldn't want to move to a club that didn't believe in him.
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I used to worry that was a disadvantage for us but now I don't see it as such an issue. Mourinho is manager, not SAF. Gill let him go, Woodward brings him back. In both cases nobody is really losing face, admitting the mistake of letting him go.

I don't think he'll end up coming but we have a chance, it's just he's such a talent he's bound to have plenty of options.
 
Stacks said:
But according to the Cafe.net, money isn't an issue for Man Utd and we can offer superior if not comparable wages, so why have we always seemed to lose out on the biggest names? I think people on here underestimate the integrity of footballers whilst overstating the appeal of our brand. They are boys living their dream and from a young age were accustomed to collecting trophies (5-aside competitions, amateur league titles, POTY awards) and I don't think that changes when they make it pro. They still place those titles and individual awards at the forefront.
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I agree with the first part of what you say. I dont think it is just about trophies though, we have been winning them for years until recently and still lost out on the biggest players long after our financial constraints wage wise.

Personally I think people are deluded with us being the biggest club in the world, especially in terms of signing players. Look at Bale for example, Giggs was his hero, he is British as well. There is also a culture and lifestyle choice and the super powers of Italy, Spain and even Germany win there over English clubs, especially outside of London especially when it comes to South Americans
 
sammsky1 said:
I think its too painful to contemplate spending this amount of money on a player we could have had for free. I don't blame SAF at all: he made his decisions based on his considerable know how. But there will always be this nagging feeling about that if Pogba joins, it won't ever feel right, and that energy will derail his efforts.

If we are prepared to splash £70m+ on a central midfielder, Id much rather we scout the next equivalent, whoever that may be.
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I dont think Fergie had much choice in the matter, he wanted to play and didnt, therefore wanted to go. He was being eased in during his last season to what (especially considering how poor the midfield was the following season) would have been a starting role for us if he had a little more patient. Not that it has worked out badly for him
 
I don't doubt the story that 'Mourinho is interested in signing Pogba'. I don't doubt that's as far as the story is going either.
 
jesperjaap said:
I agree with the first part of what you say. I dont think it is just about trophies though, we have been winning them for years until recently and still lost out on the biggest players long after our financial constraints wage wise.

Personally I think people are deluded with us being the biggest club in the world, especially in terms of signing players. Look at Bale for example, Giggs was his hero, he is British as well. There is also a culture and lifestyle choice and the super powers of Italy, Spain and even Germany win there over English clubs, especially outside of London especially when it comes to South Americans
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that's probably the most accurate. It isn't what people want to hear but we can only go on what appears evident.

I'm not so sure about the second part. Foreigners seem taken aback by the passion and football culture over here including fan support. They give me the impression as though it isn't like this over seas. Ander Herrera often dreamed about experiencing it even when in Spain. Also I don't think German culture is more appealing than ours. Italian neither, except to Italians. I am of course biased as hell.
 
I too think our interest is genuine. Not sure if we can pull it off.
He still has family in the area, don't know what impact that could have.
Bluemoon has been wanking over him for a year now.
 
Pogba is a monster. He makes other midfielders look like tiny tim. Compare whoscored.com stats
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Every time I have watched this guy I have honestly never been that impressed with him. I remember watching a game in the CL a couple of seasons ago, and he was shite, but the commentator was wanking over him. Must just be me. :lol:

I think Verratti is a better player.
 
I think hes certainly gettable but we will need to put down alot of money. The time for talking is done its time we finally put our money where our mouth is and lay 8=£80 million on the table for pogba
 
Just a point about City, hasn't Pogba in the past said he still loves Utd and enjoyed his time here. Wouldn't he feel any loyalty to the club and not join a direct rival like City. Even in this age of mercenaries id like to think he has abit more class than that.
 
I too don't think he's as good as he's made out to be. Think Koke, Verratti, Modric are better players. But I think we need someone that drives with the ball from midfield. Thought that would be Sanches.
 
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