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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?


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@Fortitude Why do you think he wouldn't choose PSG over us? They are in the CL, they do pay a lot of money and, as we saw with Di Maria, it would hardly be unusual for a player to prefer France over England. Especially given he is actually French.
Pogba doesn't strike me as someone who would want a season procession culminating in getting knocked out in the CL QF's. We've got history with him, he was settled in Manchester - which is huge for both City and ourselves - and the potential to elevate his commercial profile and profit off his image rights etc is higher here than anywhere else except Madrid.

Di Maria didn't fancy Manchester from the outset and only came because of FFP; it's a different set of circumstances to Pogba.

If Pogba is as mercenary as some people seem to think, then using Manchester - either of us - as a stepping stone to Spain in a few years is also a smarter move than going to Paris.
 
If we sign either Griezman or Pogba I will need an IV-drip to replenish my bodily fluids :drool:
 
This is how the bookies have it (best odds from all of them): Pogba's club at the end of the summer window:
Juve: 5/6
City: 3/1
Chelsea: 11/2
Utd: 8/1
Real: 9/1
Barca: 10/1
PSG: 28/1
Bayern: 33/1

I will shortly have £320 burning a hole in my pocket from a Mourinho to Utd bet, so maybe a punt on Pogba to Utd might be in order :)

Paddypower don't have a market on Pogba's next club at the moment. Perhaps they did, but removed it when a few ITKs lumped on?
 
@Fortitude Why do you think he wouldn't choose PSG over us? They are in the CL, they do pay a lot of money and, as we saw with Di Maria, it would hardly be unusual for a player to prefer France over England. Especially given he is actually French.

That's exactly why he isn't going to go to PSG.
 
@Fortitude Why do you think he wouldn't choose PSG over us? They are in the CL, they do pay a lot of money and, as we saw with Di Maria, it would hardly be unusual for a player to prefer France over England. Especially given he is actually French.

There's plenty of arguments on both sides. He's already in a pretty unchallenging league, why would he go to another? Di Maria may have clashed with LVG, but he also struggled with the physicality of the PL so he ran off to that joke of a league. I have a feeling Pogba will want to test himself in either the PL or La Liga. If it's England he chooses, it'll probably be between us and City.
 
I think we'd have a chance. The premiership will get lots of attention next season. I don't think United's lack of CL has hurt peoples interest. Italian teams rely on Europe because their national league is a mess with great names struggling to be a great again. If we got Zlatan, Pogba with Jose coming in and one or two others then we will be challenging next season. Even though we've no CL, I think the temptation to link up with old friends and with Martial would be tempting. It would be like the prodigal son returning. LVG couldn't sell it but Jose could. He has unfinished business at the club but I don't think he's progressed as he would have at United. I think much of it has been hype. He had great potential but I don't think he's fulfilled that.

He still has a lot to prove and it's better for his development to play in a challenging league. With all due respect to Juventus and the Italian league. I don't think he is suited for a slower tactical league. He's much better playing off the cuff in a league where the balls flying round the place waiting for someone to put their foot on it.
 
Reasons why he won't go to PSG:

- Not a very good league
- Let's be honest, will they ever win the CL ahead of Bayern \ Barca \ RM ? (at the moment the same can be said about us)
- Most importantly, they will not be as willing to sell him to Real \ Barca in three years time. (Which I think we will. Due to us actually having a budget, and not a sugardaddy.)

He might as well go to City over us though, depends if he is bitter about the last time around. I dont think our (hopefully) one year out of the CL will necessarily turn him away from us.
 
How good is our relationship with Kia Joorbachain? Isn't he supposed to be a massive cnut and one of the main reasons Pogba left United.
His agent is Mino Raiola, who is also Zlatan's agent.
 
[QUOTE="Fortitude, post: 19247820, member: 10238"]Pogba doesn't strike me as someone who would want a season procession culminating in getting knocked out in the CL QF's. We've got history with him, he was settled in Manchester - which is huge for both City and ourselves - and the potential to elevate his commercial profile and profit off his image rights etc is higher here than anywhere else except Madrid.

Di Maria didn't fancy Manchester from the outset and only came because of FFP; it's a different set of circumstances to Pogba.

If Pogba is as mercenary as some people seem to think, then using Manchester - either of us - as a stepping stone to Spain in a few years is also a smarter move than going to Paris.[/QUOTE]

He also doesn't strike me as someone who wants to play Europa League football every year which is us for the past 3 seasons. PSG have been better than us for a while now.

Him formally being settled in Manchester means nout. He is settled in turin. He is French so I would bet my house a Frenchman would be more settled in the Capital of France, Paris, a City as grande as London, than Manchester, a city that dozens of foreign players moan about. think about it. Manchester has Wings restaurant. Paris probably has a Chinatown! I am English and I would prefer to live in Paris than Manchester as I like it big and full of options.

He is French and I'm sure PSG would offer him the chance to become the King of France like Zlatan was except he will also be the King of the National team, playing for the best team in the land, probably captain of both. It's a sweet deal. Besides I feel people over-exaggerate how many players will move to clubs for "commercial profile." I don't know of many examples of "commercial profile" being the main driver of moves. It's always titles, champions leagues and wages. Our commercial profile hasn't secured us many top targets over other large clubs. Did we get Kroos, Cesc, Muller, Thiago? nope we get Fellaini, Herrera, Schneiderlin or young players yet to hit the highest point in the game.
 
These players leave the French league because they don't want to play in the French league. What would be the temptation for Pogba to go PSG? Just because they have money does not make it an interesting league and so PSG rely on Europe to remain relevant. Even if you end up being their best player, it ain't saying much because they are a young club. People have called him a mercenary in the past but I think they are harsh. He left a french club for us. He left us because we wouldn't play him and he's not left Juventus yet. It's a shame he's got himself involved with a parasitic agent but such is life. If we do look to bring Zlatan in then it would be remiss to not enquire.

I know there will be French people and maybe even PSG fans here but that's what happens when money comes to you. They can create a fantasy about Paris and doing well in Europe but they have their league pretty much wrapped up because any top player will go to Paris over any other French club. That will be more obvious in time because other French clubs can't compete financially. While other teams in other countries have money, they also have history.
 
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Supreme talent, but don't think his head has ever been in the right place.

A bit like Depay, he is not entirely dedicated to his craft. Too many distractions outside the pitch with self-promotion.

Sir Alex was right. He always is.
 
Supreme talent, but don't think his head has ever been in the right place.

A bit like Depay, he is not entirely dedicated to his craft. Too many distractions outside the pitch with self-promotion.

Sir Alex was right. He always is.

That's bollocks to be honest. He's a good pro, it's just his agent that is a dick.

Leaving us was a brilliant career move there is no denying it.
 
Him formally being settled in Manchester means nout. He is settled in turin. He is French so I would bet my house a Frenchman would be more settled in the Capital of France, Paris, a City as grande as London, than Manchester, a city that dozens of foreign players moan about. think about it. Manchester has Wings restaurant. Paris probably has a Chinatown! I am English and I would prefer to live in Paris than Manchester as I like it big and full of options.

:lol::lol::lol: you do realise Manchester has a Chinatown right? And one of the most thriving in the country?
 
That's bollocks to be honest. He's a good pro, it's just his agent that is a dick.

Leaving us was a brilliant career move there is no denying it.


He does strike me as a bit overrated if entirely honest. The way people portray him as a young Diego Maradona, Johan Cruyff mixed into the one with the tackling prowess of Roy Keane doesn't hold up. There's no question he's a quality international class midfielder but to be talking north of £50m is too dear for my liking.
 
He does strike me as a bit overrated if entirely honest. The way people portray him as a young Diego Maradona, Johan Cruyff mixed into the one with the tackling prowess of Roy Keane doesn't hold up. There's no question he's a quality international class midfielder but to be talking north of £50m is too dear for my liking.

We we're going to spend near that amount on Sanches, in fact Bayern near enough have.
I personally would rather have Pogba
 
No question if we got him for £50m it would be decent business. But the suggestion that he's good enough to break the world transfer record is ludicrous.
 
Its amazing how much more likely I feel like we are to actually sign all these players with Mourinho. James, Ibrahimovic, Pogba, Stones... all players who are exactly what we need (or very close to it). Pogba is a long shot but we have a good shot at it for sure if we spunk up the money. Would be around 180m probably but I'm sure we're capable. Would give us a fantastic side really.

Martial Ibrahimovic James
Rooney Pogba
Schneiderlin
Shaw Stones Smalling Valencia
De Gea
Easily the best side in the league. You can put Herrera in for rooney as well if you want.
 
No question if we got him for £50m it would be decent business. But the suggestion that he's good enough to break the world transfer record is ludicrous.
Nah he is an amazing player. He isnt going to be sold for anything less then £80m, and even that is like a minimum i feel. Its a shame because we let him go for free simply because fergie didnt have enough faith in him at the time, but he is one of the best midfielders around and is still so young so will only improve.
 
He does strike me as a bit overrated if entirely honest. The way people portray him as a young Diego Maradona, Johan Cruyff mixed into the one with the tackling prowess of Roy Keane doesn't hold up. There's no question he's a quality international class midfielder but to be talking north of £50m is too dear for my liking.

He's not overrated but he is over hyped because of his agent. The player needs to stop listening to his agent and focus on developing his natural talent. His agent took him to Italy knowing full well he was a cash cow for him and that Italy was the first step. If we bought him and he get his head down and the right people talking in his ear - if we ever sold him on, we could easily make a profit.

And if we kept him, then he could be a top player for us.
 
These players leave the French league because they don't want to play in the French league. What would be the temptation for Pogba to go PSG? Just because they have money does not make it an interesting league and so PSG rely on Europe to remain relevant. Even if you end up being their best player, it ain't saying much because they are a young club. People have called him a mercenary in the past but I think they are harsh. He left a french club for us. He left us because we wouldn't play him and he's not left Juventus yet. It's a shame he's got himself involved with a parasitic agent but such is life. If we do look to bring Zlatan in then it would be remiss to not enquire.

I know there will be French people and maybe even PSG fans here but that's what happens when money comes to you. They can create a fantasy about Paris and doing well in Europe but they have their league pretty much wrapped up because any top player will go to Paris over any other French club. That will be more obvious in time because other French clubs can't compete financially. While other teams in other countries have money, they also have history.
What you say about the French league and PSG applies to Serie A and Juventus also., as well as Bayern Munich and the Bundesliga. Juve have won the league 5 times in a row, yet he (Pogba) stayed for a good while and may continue to stay. Bayern have little trouble signing top players (hello Sanches) despite having their league wrapped up by easter. Typically players leave France to go to the premier league as it is a step up to a bigger club with more wealth and play in bigger competition. This is not the case for PSG though. I haven't heard many players complain about the competitiveness of a league before, not in Serie A, Germany or France. Players just want titles to their name and money. PSG offers that platform plus Top European Football. PSG took Zlatan AND Thiago Silva from AC Milan. They also beat Man Utd to Lucas Moura and of course Di Maria preferred PSG over Man Utd and got his move. Our fans have some superiority complex. Who have we signed of that level? Add Pastore and Cavani in there too as they were big at the time. They sign bigger players than we do so I feel players haven't demonstrated that the lack of competition in Ligue 1 is a problem.
 
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What you say about the French league and PSG applies to Serie A and Juventus also. They have won the league 5 times in a row, yet he stayed for a good while and may continue to stay. Typically players leave France to go to the premier league as it is a step up to a bigger club with more wealth and play in bigger competition. This is not the case for PSG though. I haven't heard many players complain about the competitiveness of a league before, not in Serie A, Germany or France. Players just want titles to their name and money. PSG offers the platform plus European Football. PSG took Zlatan AND Thiago Silva from AC Milan. They also beat Man Utd to Lucas Moura and of course Di Maria preferred PSG over Man Utd and got his move. Our fans have some superiority complex. Who have we signed of that level? Add Pastore and Cavani in there too as they were big at the time. They sign bigger players than we do so I feel players haven't demonstrated that the lack of competition in Ligue 1 is a problem.

The Italian league despite it's problems still have a better history then France and he won't be at Juventus for much longer. I don't think so but we'll see. His agent will love him to move and if there is a price tag on his head, someone will go for it. A play won't moan about trophies but could Pogba be viewed as the best ever playing in a poor Italian league and then a league PSG will dominate for the forseeable future? It's all about what they do in Europe that will keep them relevant.

It's just how it is. It's not being superior. To be a star in France, most people will pay attention to what they do in European competition unless he scores and makes assists every other week. You would have to produce more to be recognized but people know about the hype train....and so he makes a five yard pass and people put a vid of it on youtube. Just not buying the hype about PSG or the French league. PSG have got together a good squad, but that's what happen when you've a sugar daddy and are based in Paris.
 
The Italian league despite it's problems still have a better history then France and he won't be at Juventus for much longer. I don't think so but we'll see. His agent will love him to move and if there is a price tag on his head, someone will go for it. A play won't moan about trophies but could Pogba be viewed as the best ever playing in a poor Italian league and then a league PSG will dominate for the forseeable future? It's all about what they do in Europe that will keep them relevant.

It's just how it is. It's not being superior.
Same with Bayern though. I edited my post so say it applies with Bayern who have their league wrapped up real early.
 
This is how the bookies have it (best odds from all of them): Pogba's club at the end of the summer window:
Juve: 5/6
City: 3/1
Chelsea: 11/2
Utd: 8/1
Real: 9/1
Barca: 10/1
PSG: 28/1
Bayern: 33/1

I will shortly have £320 burning a hole in my pocket from a Mourinho to Utd bet, so maybe a punt on Pogba to Utd might be in order :)

Paddypower don't have a market on Pogba's next club at the moment. Perhaps they did, but removed it when a few ITKs lumped on?
Pretty good odds for a PSG move..
 
Same with Bayern though. I edited my post so say it applies with Bayern who have their league wrapped up real early.

Yeah but again Munich have a history and have a history of top players. They weren't given money. It also helps that Germany have a great international record.
 
Yeah but again Munich have a history and have a history of top players. They weren't given money. It also helps that Germany have a great international record.
What if France win the Euros, Pogba goes PSG, strikes up a partnership with Verrati and they smash Europe? It is possibl France win this Euros.
 
He also doesn't strike me as someone who wants to play Europa League football every year which is us for the past 3 seasons. PSG have been better than us for a while now.

Him formally being settled in Manchester means nout. He is settled in turin. He is French so I would bet my house a Frenchman would be more settled in the Capital of France, Paris, a City as grande as London, than Manchester, a city that dozens of foreign players moan about. think about it. Manchester has Wings restaurant. Paris probably has a Chinatown! I am English and I would prefer to live in Paris than Manchester as I like it big and full of options.

He is French and I'm sure PSG would offer him the chance to become the King of France like Zlatan was except he will also be the King of the National team, playing for the best team in the land, probably captain of both. It's a sweet deal. Besides I feel people over-exaggerate how many players will move to clubs for "commercial profile." I don't know of many examples of "commercial profile" being the main driver of moves. It's always titles, champions leagues and wages. Our commercial profile hasn't secured us many top targets over other large clubs. Did we get Kroos, Cesc, Muller, Thiago? nope we get Fellaini, Herrera, Schneiderlin or young players yet to hit the highest point in the game.
1st Para: Mourinho brings with him an aura and a reputation as well as the ability to sell a 'project' to all his recruits and make us look far more attractive a proposition than we perhaps deserve to be at the moment. This is the time where the club can wipe the slate clean and say things start from next season. Pogba has an ego that can be assuaged by being brought to a club and seen as one of the players who can elevate it. He's going to get that at both City and United. From his perspective, it's got to be a massively appealing package.

2nd Para: On the contrary. Pogba has spoken fondly of his formative years here both on and off the pitch. It's a big deal in that we know he can settle straight back into life here and get on with things in the shortest amount of time. Enticing top players who already at top clubs in plush locations is half the battle, and with Pogba, it's not an issue.

3rd Para: Pogba has aspirations of being the best player in the world. He's not going to earn those kind of plaudits or recognitions in France. I feel PSG tend to get the scraps most of the time outside of exceptional circumstances. Pogba can name his wage at City and I'm sure we wouldn't shirk at matching it or offering a commercial package that better benefits him and brings parity with the likes of PSG and City. If Mourinho really wants the player, there's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be seen as strong contenders for his signature even with the CL not being on the table.

None of Kroos, Cesc or Thiago had Pogba's profile nor commercial value and Muller hasn't gone anywhere. Pogba is already a star, but he's not far off becoming a superstar, and if he were to be a success here, he'd immediately elevate himself into the top bracket in terms of brand.

If LVG were still here, I'd laugh off the possibility of him coming here with us in the doldrums, but now we're getting Mourinho, the dynamic, and our appeal, change dramatically.

Last point: the Euros could change everything, because if he has a huge tournament, Madrid will do everything in their power to bring him in and that's where our appeal to him would flounder, imo. If ourselves or City are to land him, it'd either have to be before the Euros, or, with him having a mediocre tournament that doesn't make him a ready-made Galactico.
 
This is how the bookies have it (best odds from all of them): Pogba's club at the end of the summer window:
Juve: 5/6
City: 3/1
Chelsea: 11/2
Utd: 8/1
Real: 9/1
Barca: 10/1
PSG: 28/1
Bayern: 33/1

I will shortly have £320 burning a hole in my pocket from a Mourinho to Utd bet, so maybe a punt on Pogba to Utd might be in order :)

Paddypower don't have a market on Pogba's next club at the moment. Perhaps they did, but removed it when a few ITKs lumped on?

Well your 320 will change the odds on United getting him. And if Paddy power took Pogba's betting down, it most likely had to do with people placing too many bets on one outcome based on transfer rumors rather than some ITK trying to get some easy cash.
 
That's bollocks to be honest. He's a good pro, it's just his agent that is a dick.

Leaving us was a brilliant career move there is no denying it.

Right now, he's acting like Beckham 2003 more than Beckham 99.

I don't buy into the agent rhetoric. He still decides at the end of the day. I'm not a big fan of player power either. He does not dictate when he plays.