Jose said he only let Mata go cos he said he didnt want to stay at Chelsea. With that in mind, and what happened last season, does anyone really think Jose will want a player that doesnt want to come? Let alone pay a huge fee for him?
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Jose said he only let Mata go cos he said he didnt want to stay at Chelsea. With that in mind, and what happened last season, does anyone really think Jose will want a player that doesnt want to come? Let alone pay a huge fee for him?
Most players would. We'd have about 7 players left, most of them English, if they had the choice between Real or United.
No he's a fragile kid from day 1. You just have to look at his first season at Real Madrid and what the fans thought of him.
I don't like to get into those arguments for obvious reasons.
Let's just say I think he's a world class player and IMO the best in the world to fit in United to fulfill the role we've been missing / replaced with underperformers for a long time.
I never said he won't. But Real won't be able to afford his buying price on the first couple of years of his contract with us that's for sure. We aren't complete fools.
All quiet before the Di Marzio Storm tonight!
Goals win matches and are the hardest things to do in a match.
That's why goal scorers have always been the most expensive players in the World.
This is not opinion, but fact.
Top 5 most expensive players of all time
1, Bale
2, Ronaldo
3, Higuain
4, Suarez
5, Neymar
I can keep going but you get the drift.
Midfielders seldom get sold for huge sums of cash. Attackers (or players who score goals) command the highest transfer fees.
This is what makes the Pogba deal a little strange.
I disagree. I think Kroos and Modric are very similar and Modric usually outshines Kroos when I have seen them play together. They both like to dictate and play quite deep, whereas I think Pogba would play a more advanced role and get forward more, he's a better athlete than those two. I'd have thought they would rotate the midfield dependent upon opposition and injuries, with Casemiro the easiest player to drop regularly, but Kroos/Modric dropped for a better balanced midfield. Pogba would eventually replace Modric given his age, although Madrid tend to think very short term, so who knows.
If they bought Pogba, I think James Rodriguez would be the first out the door.
Looks like the entirety of the Cafe decided to chill in this thread today.
If nothing else, I have to admire your relentless optimism
I think we're desperate for quality this time around. And Pogba is a bit of a one of kind. He does possess more varied qualities and attributes than any midfielder in the world right now.
Inching closer again tonight.
Thing that myths me at present was the quotes floating around last night saying, "matter of hours" is that like 12 or 730.001? lol
Another meeting and then an article on the agents facial expressions when leaving.I seriously don't think we'd spend a month or so negotiating with Juve, working out the logistics of a world record deal, arranging a payment plan, sorting agents fees and the sorts without any clear indication that the player wanted to come and play for us.
Could you imagine the convo?
United: "Hey Paul, fancy coming back to play for us? We'll make you star of the team and you're guaranteed a whole shit ton of money and a starting place every game"
Pogba: "Yeah sounds awesome mate, i'm well up for that... just gonna let you know tho, i'm gonna have to hold the deal up for a while just incase Real Madrid want me. You good with that?"
United: "That won't be a problem lad, we'll just go ahead and get everything sorted with Juve anyway, you know, just incase the don't bother"
That would be an epic waste of time and effort which could be spent going for our other targets. Why waste time and effort on a player thats apparently waiting on another club when our other targets could be snapped up? It's no shocker that Real are interested. They'd have been interested when we initally asked Pogba if he'd be interested in a return, they'd have already said they can't and won't pay his fee but they'd like for him to wait at Juve so they could get him at a later date. Thats not changed as of this moment from what know
What do you think Raiola is doing right now?
This is Woody we are talking about.
Viewing this thread, while having a wank at the muppets distress.
Someone said in the Mourinho thread that "a matter of hours" in Italian does not actually directly translate to a few hours, it actually means that it is fairly close.
He would want to play for us, but that doesn't mean we're his first choice, and seemingly Real weren't in it until very late. It's a simple idea.
If gifs were allowed I'd post the one of LvG in sunglasses partying on the Bayern bus in this post
So when Pogba signs for Real what is going to happen in this thread?
@Everyone who quoted my post
Give me some time to answer
We'll see next season. I'm quite confident that a lot of people will lower their rating of Pogba once they see him play week in week out.
I stick by saying Fernandinho is more or less equally as good as Pogba
I totally agree with the first part. I firmly believe it'd be a sense of Deja vu to a lot on here!
Not with the second though. Not least because they're two different players occupying different positions with different skill sets which is not the best way to compare players.
The funny thing though, a lot on here have no idea what Pogba's best position is even though they believe he's a must buy because he's the cure for our all midfield problems. Some think he's a physically imposing central midfielder who dominates the game, some think he's one of those rare breed marauding box-to-box midfielders while others think he's at his best when played further up the pitch!
Those who have watched Pogba for just more than the Euro and YouTube clips would hope if Jose does get the man he's been chasing since his Chelsea days, he knows where he should play Pogba. Otherwise, it'd not only be a waste of an absolutely outrageous sum but also Pogba's talents.
Even Woody isn't that stupid, plus he has got better over time, lets admit that much
Mass suicide probably.
My best guess is that these rumors of Real Madrid appearing to join the bidding, when we are so close to securing the transfer, is a negotiating tactic to push us to close the deal on Juve's terms. You can see how effective it's been getting supporters worried.
Are we getting an update today?
Hopefully do what Bluemoon did and delete it.
Real were in a while ago. They said they wanted Pogba but they couldn't afford the transfer fee. It was no secret, which is why everyone had us in pole position, because Real wanted him but couldn't afford him.
Thats not changed, they still want him, but they still can't afford him unless James or Morata leaves.
If i remember rightly, it was only reported that Real had contacted Juventus about Pogba when news was out that we were very close to agreeing a deal. Apparently Zidane contacted Pogba directly, and we can only speculate that it was to ask him to stay at Juve until Real can come back for him at a later date
What if it's all smokscreen for Girezman
We'd still be fecked in midfield.What if it's all smokscreen for Girezman
Love the player and would be happy to spend 100m + on him but this is getting ridiculous. At this point I would give Juve and the agent a deadline or drop out entirely. Juve and Raiola will come crying back to United once they realize how Real do business. No way are they willing to pay what we are to sign the player. Again, I would love to have the Pogba here but we all know he wants Madrid anyway so whatever. I have 100% faith that Mourinho can get someone in to do the job.
Rumors are originating directly from Zidane's quotes, there has been no leak from any Italian source.
Doesnt change the fact that he would still not want to come. Any other manager id agree with you but with Jose who has experienced first hand just a few months ago on what happens when a team doesnt want to play for you. He would back out the deal and go for some else and change his plans.
God i hate how we have literally no one in the UK to tell our side of things in these negotiations. Everything thats coming out is from France and Italy - all the English journalists have no clue whats going on in the biggest transfer in the history of English football.
Even Castles is quiet on this one.
Never. Ever. Ever underestimate how foolish the MUFC board (and management) can be.
In the last 3 years:
1, replaced a Galactico class manager (Fergie) with Moyes and gave him a 6 year contract. Jose (the ideal replacement) was available but, they thought it would be better to hire a manager who has never won a trophy in his life.
2, got rid of our entire (experienced) defensive line, in a single transfer window.
3, bought Fellaini for above his release clause
4, kept faith with Moyes even after he'd basically given up on our entire team and the season. And only sacked him once the season was completely wrecked.
5, bought Di Maria - British Transfer Record. The only player listed in the World FIFA XI, who was playing in the EPL. Arguably Madrid's best player. MOTM in their final game (CL Final). We did not know how/where to play him and sold him within 12 months, for a significant loss.
6, attempted to sell DDG (our best player for many years) - they only failed because of Madrid's mess-up.
7, LVG was allowed to implement his non-goal scoring philosophy, even though the fans/media were getting on his back. He was even booed. The OT fans chanted "attack attack attack". He was eventually sacked, but was given approximately half a season to rectify the boring football which he had implemented...but he failed to change.
I'm sure there other errors in judgement, but it would not shock me if they sold Pogba a few years later for a cut price deal, to our rivals.
And this is exactly why nothing is happening right now. If Real don't cough up the money or manage to convince Pogba to stay for another year at Juve then we're definitely getting him.
Never. Ever. Ever underestimate how foolish the MUFC board (and management) can be.
In the last 3 years:
1, replaced a Galactico class manager (Fergie) with Moyes and gave him a 6 year contract. Jose (the ideal replacement) was available but, they thought it would be better to hire a manager who has never won a trophy in his life.
2, got rid of our entire (experienced) defensive line, in a single transfer window.
3, bought Fellaini for above his release clause
4, kept faith with Moyes even after he'd basically given up on our entire team and the season. And only sacked him once the season was completely wrecked.
5, bought Di Maria - British Transfer Record. The only player listed in the World FIFA XI, who was playing in the EPL. Arguably Madrid's best player. MOTM in their final game (CL Final). We did not know how/where to play him and sold him within 12 months, for a significant loss.
6, attempted to sell DDG (our best player for many years) - they only failed because of Madrid's mess-up.
7, LVG was allowed to implement his non-goal scoring philosophy, even though the fans/media were getting on his back. He was even booed. The OT fans chanted "attack attack attack". He was eventually sacked, but was given approximately half a season to rectify the boring football which he had implemented...but he failed to change.
I'm sure there other errors in judgement, but it would not shock me if they sold Pogba a few years later for a cut price deal, to our rivals.
To be fair, that is pretty shocking when you see it out in writing!
Depends - if you are firmly in the camp of Real Madrid are the be all end all - and more importantly Pogba feels the same, then there is no possible reason why'd he'd choose us over them.
However, there definitely are reasons based on what he is thinking for his future, his image - just his mindset over several topics.
1) Going to Madrid means competing with 2 top CM for a starting spot in Kroos and Modric - so he might think it is better for him to establish himself as a player that has no peer and at United right now he'd have that
2) Does he have a dream like Ronaldo did but, that his is to play at United - a place he has friends and a club he has long admired? Possible
3) Even if he sees Madrid as the end goal, maybe he is being advised that should he come to United - sign a 300k deal now, in 2, 3, 5 years whatever - he can sign a 500k/week deal with them to go into his prime years. Should he sign right now with them, maybe he does succeed but, his subsquent contract ups won't get him anywhere near if he did a jump to them later.
4) Playing for Mourinho - Zidane is footballing great but, anyone that knows anything about Real is that even the best managers don't stay around much. Zidane has not proven himself as a manager and there is every possibility that he could even be gone as early as December. With Mou - probably at least get 2-3 years if not longer under a proven coach that can really up his game.
5) CL yes that's a draw but, again depends on his mindset - thinking what if I help United first to win Europa this season, be integral to either winning the league or at least being up there. At Real he's got Bale and Ronaldo ahead of him in terms of the people leading the charge to winning trophies. At United he could be seen as the absolute main guy. Then the following season having lead United back to CL - is the headline name in the competition.
There is no doubt that Real offer a lot but, to me it's not a clear cut - soon as they come that's the only choice for a player, it depends on what they are thinking/looking for in their career/life.
Well thats not going to happen, so no need to worry.