Ssshhhh. That sort of common sense does not belong here!
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Ssshhhh. That sort of common sense does not belong here!
I stopped thinking that money is the problem here. What I do I think is happening is that we have it all agreed with Juve. It's the player holding out for Real Madrid, who won't pay near what we're paying. Now it's a waiting game to see if Juve agree to a lesser deal with Real for Pogba or not. It's not that Pogba wouldn't play for us, but Real Madrid are the clear favored destination for obvious reasons.
By this logic you'd say Bale in his last season at Spurs was better than Keane or Viera at the same age. You can't let goals be the deciding factor considering their different roles
No news is still good news right?
You're going as far wrong in one direction as he is in the other. Modric, Kroos, and Busquets are currently better players, and arguably Verratti too.
As a number of people have said, it's a totally academic argument, since none of those players are available.
Usually the longer it goes on the less chance we have of signing ? We rarely 'win' sagas?
He is definitely not worth £100M.
I would say that Suarez, Bale, Neymar, Muller and Messi are probably the only players I'd pay £100M or more for.
Notice that all these players are goal scorers/creators.
These players, upon arriving at a club, would be expected to provide immediate impact and probably the league title and a great performance in the CL.
I just don't believe that Pogba is the sort of player who can provide that sort of impact.
However, Jose knows more than me about football. If he has told his bosses that Pogba is worth £100M, then so be it.
1. They won't pay the money
2. Zidane can be gone within 6 months(they've sacked managers for less)
3. It's possible his role would clash with Modric/Kroos who are more experienced and already settled in the team.
but the main one is #1.
This makes sense to me. Which makes me worry about another Di Maria, even if we do sign the lad. Half-arsed efforts, biding his time for a move to his preferred club.
Have you or anyone here in this thread ever read a credible source so far that.....
1. Says Juventus WANT to actually sell pogba
2. Says Juventus HAVE to sell pogba for any reason
3. Says pogba even wants to LEAVE Juventus in the first place
Because I haven't.
This transfer may or may not happen, we've done some good business so far but this particular part of our window has shades of Moyes and Woodward window where we were chasing unrealistic targets missed them and ended up with feckin Fellaini on deadline day. Rate this is going pogba will stay or go to Madrid and we will end up with matuidi.
Am sure almost everyone recognises that if Madrid stupid up the money he'd prefer to go there.
I think so too, but prior to Bale's last season I would take any of Pogba's seasons with Juve. Pogba still has a lot of upside too where as I had Bale almost as the finished product after that season. Then again, we haven't really seen him being the main guy with Ronaldo there. Bale has been a success since making the move.
The Marchisio pick from another poster was a bit strange considering Pogba was the one keeping Marchisio from playing as many minutes as everyone thought he would be getting. It's like he forgot it was Vidal, Pogba, and Pirlo making up the main midfield.
Err, not quite being as we are talking about Bale and Pogba
He'd have to be daft to be swayed by Zidane. ZZ is not going to be managing Real in two years time.
Eveyone's speculating and nobody has a clue - quite funny. We definitely need a dynamic midfielder so I hope we get him. Shame we bought Schweinsteiger on the decline otherwise we'd be OK.
I couldn't see Pogba dislodging Kroos or Modric in the team to be fair.
Now if they were to buy Pogba, i'd be more than happy to take Kroos or Modric off their hands.
Its not as simple as that though.
If you take Pogba out of the picture, United had been doing some shrewd transfer deals. Bailly does look a top quality defender for his age and we got him for 30m. We also signed a top quality forward who had some crazy stats in Germany for 27m and then there's Ibra for free. So why go for Pogba for 120m?
The main reason is that we need a player with those characteristics, there is no one available whose cheaper and the only available player around play with a big club who doesn't want to sell. Pogba may not be WC yet but he is a complete midfielder. He's relatively hardworking, he's strong, he's tall, he's technically gifted, he can dribble and he's got decent positioning. The second part is also important. The only player I can think of that become like Pogba is Sanches and senile did his best to hijack such deal. Finally we're dealing with a club who not only doesn't need to sell but if it does sell it will lose 20% of the deal to his agent.
I think to assess this deal you have to assess what Juventus are thinking as replacement. They went for Matic but they failed to get him and look set to spend 20m on Witsel or Matuidi. Is that the sort of players we would want in midfield?
You would be mistaken. Been plenty on here denying that
The extremes of the polar opposite opinions on Pogba are really silly. You've now got a bunch of people underrating him just because some overrated him. He's already a quality midfielder who's got the potential to be one of the best. He's not great at the moment, but it doesn't mean he's still not one of the best around, too. He isn't as good as a Modric, Iniesta, Busquets, Verratti etc yet, and isn't as important to Juve's midfield as Marchisio, but anyone who says the likes of Alaba, Koke, Fabregas, Fernandinho, etc are as good or even better than him are doing him a huge disservice. There's no need to go to one extreme to even out the other.
Career arc/momentum?
Go to Madrid now and it's difficult to see an ideal move for him at 27/28. By moving to United now for huge money he could still force a move for mega money later on and get his Madrid fix.
At 27/28, if he's moving from Madrid it will be a bit of a step down and PSG aside it will be difficult to get another massive pay day.
No it won't happen like that. He will perform at his highest level regardless. He might eventually move on to them unless we become the hottest team around in the next couple of years, but there's no resemblance between his personality and attitude to Di Maria's.
Good point.
No need to be, you couldn't expect less from a Madrid based newspaper.Marca reported it....
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I'm secretly scared though...
Although I am doubting the source, I am being realistic in accepting the fact that it could be true since Madrid has more pull than us at the moment (as you noted they offer CL football, with recent success, world class players all around him etc.)
Maybe not but he's managing them now and we've already seen that Pogba prefers to focus on the here and now, rather than long-term goals.
If he wants to standout, it will be easier here. Ronaldo and Bale later will always be ahead of him Balon'dor wise. Zidane wont be manager for too long (history suggest) and Barcelona seem to have a better team where as the PL is wide open. Oh and Jose is a better manager than Zidane so he will improve more under him.
Tried my best there, hope it helps lol.
Same here. You wouldn't see Tanc doing a video with a butt plug.
Alternative chimpanzee shit chucker conspiracy... Woody is fueling this Madrid thing so when we sign him he can go 'yeah but he wanted to come here'
People upset at Raiola fee.
But Raiola has already helped United secure Zlatan and Mhkitaian. Those 2 deals were advantageous to United.
If United are willing to pay €115 or €120m for Pogba, so be it. If they don't agree to the price they could just walk away, nobody else will pay that much for him.
But Raiola has already helped United secure Zlatan and Mhkitaian. Those 2 deals were advantageous to United.
If United are willing to pay €115 or €120m for Pogba, so be it. If they don't agree to the price they could just walk away, nobody else will pay that much for him.
Dude, what is your obsession with Madrid?
I realise that you are haunted by what Madrid have done in the past (Ronaldo, Bale, almost DDG), but at this moment in time, they do not have the cash to pay for Pogba.
Don't be so paranoid about Madrid.
If he really does favour Real Madrid over you guys then I wish you would stop chasing him - you're better than that. It will just end up being di Maria again if he comes - he actually wants to be somewhere else.
I agree with the first part about the deal being agreed, but the Madrid angle has been discussed before. If Madrid do come for him he would be second choice, they almost signed Gomes and were ready to give up on this. If that is indeed what the player wants, then Raiola would have flown to Spain, or at least meet with Madrid officials somewhere and try to make it happen for his client.
Zidane might play a tiny part in the deal. But it's the significantly better players, the current state of the club, the most anticipated league fixtures in El Clasico with the whole worlds eyes on the stars on show, the club with the biggest history. The list goes on.
Fair point. Hopefully Raiola will steer hime here though.
Hopefully you're right but wasn't Di Maria's attitude supposed to be one of the best things about him before we signed him?
How do you know this?
At no stage has Pogba raved about MUFC or wanting to join us at any cost.
He has been silent. So, what makes you think that Pogba won't ditch us for Madrid at the earliest opportunity?
Basically every player we can sign will probably prefer Real over us.
Hopefully Di Marzio drops a huge bomb tonight to cure our Muppet insanity.
I don't see it either. Although there's usually no rationality behind their transfers, this is one area I don't expect them to strengthen this year.
And why wouldn't he, there are no promises in football. One injury might end it all.
I think it was Di Maria's relationship with LVG which caused the problems. Was too attacking minded to play under LVG
Pogba seems like the perfect Mourinho player though