I'm in the camp that feels we need to see this deal through, get back to the top domestically, and then we can start playing hardball with future transfers from a position of strength. Juventus are in a strong position here, they will milk us for everything they are worth and on this occasion we should play ball and get the deal over the line.
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Matuidi #6 it is 
yeah, it's like the plans of a dastardly fiend have been foiled after years of scheming "I would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!!"
only in this instance it would be more like "I would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for the fact that you are the world's biggest and most supported club which is built on a foundation of decades of success and with the world's largest internal revenue driven by the business itself and not funded by a sugar daddy club."
or something like that
Like I said before he is correct in a way. We did not have any competition it was only citehad
If it didn't bite us in the butt...it would have been kind of funny if Pogba's superdeal was ruined because of his own agent wanting money.....
It's not worth cutting off our nose to spite our face. Get the deal done, milk pogs for what he's worth. We could try and untangle player from agent but we should be intelligent about this. Juventus may think they are being smart - maybe even the agent knows what they were going to do but the fact is what you sow you reap.
£120,000,000 + £250,000 per week 'netto' + 'maintenance costs' - say £10,000 extra per week over 5 years = c £ 200,000,000+ total cost of 'ownership' - an awful lot of competitions to be won and shirts to be sold to get back some of that investment.....
Time for the governing bodies of football to cap och review the agency business. It's getting ridiculous.
Aquire Me, please come and lift our spirits right now
10-20m is a lot of money to just throw it away to keep United happy. However if this deal goes tits up, Juventus will have to pay for it. There's already rumours of Mino moving players way from Juventus in retailation
Huh? That's exactly what Real do. They bought Rodriguez and sold Di Maria purely cause Rodriguez was more marketable and had been voted best player at the world cup.
Firstly, i am not a fan of Juventus, but a couple of pages back there was talk of them breaking a legally binding contract. Surely they can basically ask us to pay whatever they want as we are the buying club. If they want 100m (Euros, Pounds, Dollars, Footballs, Mars Bars...) and Raiola gets a % of whatever we pay, it is entirely up to Juve to make us pay whatever they want.
It's not like Pogba is a commodity with a defined value set by a 3rd party. So if they say they want 100m and we say "cool, here you go" and they then say "oh wait, we have to give mino 20m of that, make it 120m" they can do so if the wish. If they want to fleece us, they will try to fleece us. Nothing illegal about it.
It's not like Pogba is a commodity with a defined value set by a 3rd party. So if they say they want 100m and we say "cool, here you go" and they then say "oh wait, we have to give mino 20m of that, make it 120m" they can do so if the wish. If they want to fleece us, they will try to fleece us. Nothing illegal about it.
Never in that camp. I don't have a bone to pick in this transfer, as a neutral I am curious for the player's development & fit. He's an excellent talent who could become phenomenal but mostly its on the player. From a sporting perspective, I think he has better options than United (Staying at Juve really). From a business perspective, United ticks most of the right boxes. Mou being the coach, makes it less palatable since I've never seen him make a midfielder better but in theory perhaps he could get Pogba to take a step up in terms of his mentality
Exactly this. We're not yet in position of strength. We've no CL. Being principled is like talking about value in the market. If we can do it, get it done. Juventus are doing a very stupid thing and it will rebound on them in time. It's not ideal this agent but if United want the player - get him. When it comes to renegotiating and down the line - no ones really going to be thrilled doing business with this fat cnut but if there is ever a good time it's now since we've dealt with him so much this summer. We should use that for leverage. Talk of pulling out etc...should not be an option. We've invested too much time and effort into it. Accept it and see there's no repeat in future.
He isn't suddenly going to cost £50mil less. They aren't going to match our offer which has been made clear from the offset.
I think this is the case. And as of right now, I have no issue with United playing hardball over this and I think Mourinho's comments suggest he is on board with it too.
Juve cut Raiola in 20%, so that's on them to pay up after we've already given them a more than generous fee. They're acting in bad faith considering the alternative could have had United telling Pogba and Mino to engineer the exit earlier in the summer.
We let them have Evra for something like 3m, ffs...
Lampard under Mourinho became a balon dor contender. He'd never had reach those heights otherwise.
Yes yes. Essien, Sneijder and Lampard were all world class when they joined Mourinho's teams. They didn't improve Mourinho at all. Nope, not a chance.
Lured Raiola and Pogba away with this 20% nonsense and now want us to pay that too.
feck them.
Move on to our 2 other 'profiles'
feck them.
Move on to our 2 other 'profiles'
When asked about a record transfer of Paul to United he said that he doesn't care about records, all he wants is the best for his clients. On the question if Paul requested a transfer, he said he doesn't answer these questions.
Thats a strange comment given the midfielders he had at Chelsea and at Inter didn't Sneijder almost win the Ballon D'or?
Who are our other two profiles? It's easy to react on hearsay but who are the other two? Don't you think you'd want to know who they are - rather then guess? We should not react. It's a time for clear minds. The money they're trying to fob off us - can we milk that back and more commercially? We have to think about these things.
I think it would be very silly from our part to bite the bullet. Basically we would be footing the bill Juventus had with Mino for the service he did for them in taking Pogba away from us
There is the possibility that is what Juve want!
Let's not quote him. A child sucking his or her thumb makes more sense. He's a parasite who is nothing more then opportunistic. His words have no value.
Nah.
They will never receive 100m for Pogba and they had already bought his replacement. Also they need that money to pay the debts
Raiola to CdS:
http://www.corrieredellosport.it/ne...usivo_voglio_il_meglioper_pogba/?cookieAccept
1. Doesn't deny our bid.
2. Doesn't deny Pogba wants to leave.
http://www.corrieredellosport.it/ne...usivo_voglio_il_meglioper_pogba/?cookieAccept
1. Doesn't deny our bid.
2. Doesn't deny Pogba wants to leave.
Completely agree with this. Dont allow this to drag on too long. If the club or player or agent are playing hardball, then feck them and we move to our other 2 profiles that we have identified
Can anyone fill me with optimism.Looks like we are about to lose out on another player to Madrid.
They'd get the same fee next year
They lured him away with the chance to play first team football thereby becoming one of the best in the World.
You seem to have mind up already. No one can help you my friend.
And you'd be naive to think that giving 20% of fees to agent didn't play a part. Players rely a lot on their agents.
If we don't sign Pogba and buy James from RM for 65 million, what will they do with the money ? Bulid a clinic ? Donate it to refugees ?
The amount requested by those agent were low compared to Raiola. I think Moura's agent wanted 6mill. It was criminal to miss out on them back then.
Really? Can't say i've seen any links to Real Madrid anywhere?
Plus they only lost out on Gomes because James didn't want to leave so they pulled out at the last minute
Unless something new has happened since i want to bed last night
Get a grip for god's sake, there's literally zero indication Madrid are involved in any way
Now Mou is getting credit for Sneijder? Lyon made Essien a sought after star and a Chelsea fan will remind you that Lamps' ascendency as a player began before Mou's arrval. Some imaginitive player development but then many think Pogba was formed at United too
same poster kept posting that "ITK"spanish model picture with pogba. Mods kept removing it. Seems to trying to wind people up.
Not more marketable. Just NEW. DiMaria had already sold all the shirts he was gonna sell, and now all he wanted was a contract extension and higher wages for extraordinary performances. Rodriguez couldn´t demand such high wages due to the high transfer fee and his overall standing. In retrospect United should have been more thorough with their process. DiMaria never wanted to play in England. I think to a lesser extent there is a similar danger with Pogba and Mkhitaryan. I don´t think Pogba would have considered this move, if not for his agent pushing it. He seemed genuinely happy at Juventus. On the other hand I think Pogba is the type of player that says "whatever, tell me where and when, and I play".
This Madrid link exists only in your head mate. Even Madrid's mouthpiece Marca aren't even bothering to try linking them to Pogba anymore.