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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?


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Can anyone fill me with optimism.Looks like we are about to lose out on another player to Madrid.
No it doesn't. Absolutely nothing has happened to suggest either Real Madrid want him or we're going to lose out on him. The only people worried about that are people like yourself who keep posting this paranoid rubbish.
 
Btw just remembered that Lukaku is also in Miami, so Raiola could be going there to present Chelsea offer to him
 
I think this is the case. And as of right now, I have no issue with United playing hardball over this and I think Mourinho's comments suggest he is on board with it too.

Juve cut Raiola in 20%, so that's on them to pay up after we've already given them a more than generous fee. They're acting in bad faith considering the alternative could have had United telling Pogba and Mino to engineer the exit earlier in the summer.

We let them have Evra for something like 3m, ffs...

Hold on, they should act in good faith because we didn't make an illegal approach to the players agent earlier in the Summer?

The thing about Evra is insane too, we obviously thought he wasn't worth the wage he was on anymore, we weren't doing Juve a favour.
 
Mate El Confidential has written in their newspaper that Zidane and Pogba got in touch last night.They say Pogba is more inclined to join Madrid.

They also say that Perez doesn't want Pogba
 
Mate El Confidential has written in their newspaper that Zidane and Pogba got in touch last night.They say Pogba is more inclined to join Madrid.

But what you fail to mention in the same report is the Perez does not want him and there will be no deal.
 
Now Mou is getting credit for Sneijder? Lyon made Essien a sought after star and a Chelsea fan will remind you that Lamps' ascendency as a player began before Mou's arrval. Some imaginitive player development but then many think Pogba was formed at United too

Sneijder elevated his level under Mou that season is what I was getting at.
Also Essien was a sought after player yes, but his progress was evident at Chelsea, he became one of the best midfielders in the league prior to his injury.
You said he never improved a midfielder, I disagree.
 
I’m not worried at all. I still believe we will get our man. And if it doesn’t happen… so be it. It wouldn’t be the end of the world. We surely had a good to bail out. I believe Mourinho that we have a solid Plan B and C. So I’m not worried at all. It will all work out… one way or another.
 
still no sure why the dont hire a normal lawyer who would been a lot cheaper he goes threw the contract at a standard price rather than one claiming to be a football agent and charging what ever he wants
My misses works at a solicitors and they have different departments debt collection etc.... so you get solicitors/lawyers that specialise in certain fields I'm guessing football agents are just lawyers that specialise in the football field so to speak
 
I fully expect the deal to be concluded by Monday, what you need to understand is that we have the transfer fee and personal terms agreed.

Also, Real are out of the running as they are unwilling or unable to pay the fee, furthermore Perez does not want Pogba.
 
Now Mou is getting credit for Sneijder? Lyon made Essien a sought after star and a Chelsea fan will remind you that Lamps' ascendency as a player began before Mou's arrval. Some imaginitive player development but then many think Pogba was formed at United too

:lol:

The bitterness of Barcelona fans regards to Mourinho never cease to amaze me.

In this sense, Guardiola shouldn't get credit for Messi, Xavi and Iniesta developments cos their ascendency started before Pep's arrival.
 
The amount requested by those agent were low compared to Raiola. I think Moura's agent wanted 6mill. It was criminal to miss out on them back then.

It's all relative. The agent fee is a percentage, and the Pogba deal is 3x as much as Moura or Hazard.

Asking for 6m out of a 30m deal is no better than asking for 20m out of 100m. I believe Jonathan Barnett made 9m from the Gareth Bale deal according to reports.
 
And you'd be naive to think that giving 20% of fees to agent didn't play a part. Players rely a lot on their agents.

Furthermore I think that fact could shine a better light on Fergie's handling of Pogba. There is no way that United would grant Raiola 20% of a future transfer as reward for Pogba renewing his contract.
 
I guess we should hear more details once Raiola lands in Miami, and as always there will be loads of reports later this evening or even after today's match.
 
Right, seen this all before, he's Madrid's. It's almost literally the same as every other failed transfer, and it's all pointing towards us missing out now.

Shame - I'd just in the last day or so started to believe we had this in the bag. Just to rub salt in the wounds I was getting referendum flashbacks last night, as all the confidence and optimism suddenly got hit about 11pm by the Gomes news and the quote from Mourinho.

Ah well, hope whoever else we've got lined up proves to be just as good at half the price!
 
:lol:

The bitterness of Barcelona fans regards to Mourinho never cease to amaze me.

In this sense, Guardiola shouldn't get credit for Messi, Xavi and Iniesta developments cos their ascendency started before Pep's arrival.

To be fair, he doesn't. I see him get credit for his work at Barcelona, but not for those players.
 
Let's not quote him. A child sucking his or her thumb makes more sense. He's a parasite who is nothing more then opportunistic. His words have no value.

At least you can see that his comments changed from "no contact with Man united" to "I want the best for my client"
 
DO we really want a player who wants to play somewhere else?

I guess we should of sold De Gea in this window then? He wanted to go to real madrd, a fax machine stopped it. Players are always looking at multiple options. Also remember that pogba agreed a deal with us. So it's not like he's being dragged kicking and screaming to MUFC.
 
Thats a strange comment given the midfielders he had at Chelsea and at Inter didn't Sneijder almost win the Ballon D'or?
He should have won it that year. He won the treble with Inter and lead his country to the WC Final in that year. What more can you ask of a player? He wasn't even in the Top 3 ffs.
 
Right, seen this all before, he's Madrid's. It's almost literally the same as every other failed transfer, and it's all pointing towards us missing out now.

Shame - I'd just in the last day or so started to believe we had this in the bag. Just to rub salt in the wounds I was getting referendum flashbacks last night, as all the confidence and optimism suddenly got hit about 11pm by the Gomes news and the quote from Mourinho.

Ah well, hope whoever else we've got lined up proves to be just as good at half the price!
Quoting this when he holds up the red shirt.
 
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.i...-ancora-della-juventus-_1109866-201602a.shtml

"Pogba è ancora un giocatore della Juventus. Non sappiamo cosa accadrà, ma siamo fiduciosi", così Massimiliano Allegri ha liquidato l'argomento sul più che possibile trasferimento del centrocampista francese al Manchester United. Poche parole in conferenza stampa a Melbourne per il tecnico bianconero che si fida dell'operato della società: "Alla fine del mercato saremo una squadra molto forte". Higuain argomento non trattato.



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"Pogba is still a Juventus players. We don't know what will happen in the future but we have faith. At the end of the transfer market we would have a strong squad"
 
:lol:

The bitterness of Barcelona fans regards to Mourinho never cease to amaze me.

In this sense, Guardiola shouldn't get credit for Messi, Xavi and Iniesta developments cos their ascendency started before Pep's arrival.

Narrowly viewed, you can draw many outlandish conclusions. No one doubted Messi being a great talent pre-Pep, but he became a different player with him. There isn't a midfielder who transformed and became a special talent under Mou that wasn't or hadn't been already

And no, Pep had little to do with Iniesta or Xavi's game improvement. Busquets who was a 4th division footballer on the other hand, yes
 
Yes yes. Essien, Sneijder and Lampard were all world class when they joined Mourinho's teams. They didn't improve Mourinho at all. Nope, not a chance.
Lampard wasnt signed by Jose and had a great debut chelsea season under Ranieri

Sneijder was a real madrid player before Jose signed him

I would give him some credit for essien
 
Narrowly viewed, you can draw many outlandish conclusions. No one doubted Messi being a great talent pre-Pep, but he became a different player with him. There isn't a midfielder who transformed and became a special talent under Mou that wasn't or hadn't been already
Odd thing to say, but do you have any theory as to why, if you really think it's true? Do you admit he's improved centre backs, keepers, full backs, wingers and strikers? Just not midfielders? What does that say about him exactly as a coach?
 
Lampard wasnt signed by Jose and had a great debut chelsea season under Ranieri

Sneijder was a real madrid player before Jose signed him

I would give him some credit for essien

Sneijder and Lampard both turned into Ballon'd or nominees under Mourinho.
 
Do Madrid ever do silent transfers of this magnitude? When they went for Ronaldo, Bale, James, Kaka and even their pursuit of De Gea, it was all over the papers. They like to make a huge fuss of things and get it out there that they're signing this big name.

Plus lets be fair, they're up against United and after the whole De Gea incident and the backwards and forwards accusations over who's to blame, Real would most definitely want to get one over on us. I bet they'd have it known to everyone they were back in for Pogba and would do whatever it took to secure him. Real just don't do big transfers on the silent do they?
 
Transfers are so complicated these days, remember watching a programme in the 90's where one chairman would pick up the phone and make an offer for a player, if they accepted they then gave players permission to talk with the club, done and dusted in days, really cant stand agents in the game, there is potentially 20m going straight out the game of football, imagine what they could do in the grassroots of football, things like this need capped, its embarrassing for the sport and needs looked at.

Transfers are not complicated. Not this complicated and detailed anyway. Its the plethora of mind-numbing, imaginary stories peddled by BS merchants in media (often aided by some parties involved in transfer) two weeks before and after the day something concrete happens that make the transfer duration seem like an eternity and the transfer process like rocket science. Agents, Club directors, Players are all at the mercy of these articles for they chose anyone to be the villain or the hero to justify their own narrative. For this one they went with Riola demanding money rather than Woodward being incompetent or unwilling to play two million pounds more to seal the deal. The positive side is it saves our media-trusting fans a lot of Woodward bashing. Poor Riola though :lol:.
 
Sneijder and Lampard both turned into Ballon'd or nominees under Mourinho.
both were headed that way with or without Jose

Ranieri deserves huge credit for Lampard

Sneijder had just been named in the team of the tournament in Euro 2008 and was unfortunate to be dumped by Real Madrid
 
Lampard wasnt signed by Jose and had a great debut chelsea season under Ranieri

Sneijder was a real madrid player before Jose signed him

I would give him some credit for essien
The original comment was that Mourinho hadn't made any midfielder better, had nothing to do with signing midfielders. I definitely disagree. Lampard and Sneijder definitely became better under Mourinho. Hell, even Makelele became the very influential player he was under Mourinho. Then going back, players like Deco. Lots of midfielders have become better under Mourinho.

To be honest, I'm struggling to think of many midfielders who became worse under him.
 
The original comment was that Mourinho hadn't made any midfielder better, had nothing to do with signing midfielders. I definitely disagree. Lampard and Sneijder definitely became better under Mourinho. Hell, even Makelele became the very influential player he was under Mourinho. Then going back, players like Deco. Lots of midfielders have become better under Mourinho.

To be honest, I'm struggling to think of many midfielders who became worse under him.
:lol: Makelele was one of Reals most important players. It was a disgrace he was sold
 
The original comment was that Mourinho hadn't made any midfielder better, had nothing to do with signing midfielders. I definitely disagree. Lampard and Sneijder definitely became better under Mourinho. Hell, even Makelele became the very influential player he was under Mourinho. Then going back, players like Deco. Lots of midfielders have become better under Mourinho.

To be honest, I'm struggling to think of many midfielders who became worse under him.

Ay, can't think of many. Oscar maybe? Then again, maybe he never really was very good.
 
Now Mou is getting credit for Sneijder? Lyon made Essien a sought after star and a Chelsea fan will remind you that Lamps' ascendency as a player began before Mou's arrval. Some imaginitive player development but then many think Pogba was formed at United too

Busquets joined Barca when he was 17, Puyol when he 17, Pedro when he was 17. You consider then as graduated or formed at famed La Masia but Pogba who joined United when he was 16 is not ManUtd academy player. Weird logic.
 
All based on the assumption that the following information is correct.

1/ Raiola + Juventus have a contract stating that Juventus have obligation to pay a 20% fee of any future transfer of Pogba.
2/ After preliminary agreement on fee between Man Utd and Juve, Juve then insist Man Utd pay agents fee

This is how it should be done.

1/ Man Utd in coordination with Raiola should have a legal binding document between themselves stating that both parties are in acknowledgement that Juve are essentially blackmailing Man Utd by attempting to invalidate the contract between Raiola and Juve re 20% fee.
2/ Man Utd should pay the agreed fee to Juventus and Raiola's 20% fee
3/ Use the legally binding document made between Man Utd + Raiola to sue the feck out of Juventus.
4/ Make sure that the legal case is dragged out in the public domain using ALL means neccessary to make it clear what type of underhanded club Juventus are and in the process destroying all notion of the 'romance' that the name Juventus once had.
5/ After winning the legal case against Juventus make it clear that Man Utd stand for freedom, honesty and integrity

And finally

Feck Juventus

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Oh and please have pity on a fellow n00b muppet, redcafe member and help me to the realms of manhood

You my friend are a genius..
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