What I'm lost on - why has raiola gone to Miami to speak to Pogba if the hold up is to do with his fees with Man Utd?
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Talk about derailing a thread
I didn't claim Busquets is a cantera product, just that Pep made him the player he is - Puyol & him are Catalan and play the Barcelona way.
Anyway, we'll see if RM are interested in Pogba for real in the coming days because I suspect the player would prefer that move too - but just a hunch
This one is going to drag out quite a bit, isn't it?
Absolutely mental. Kindly cut-out this Chicken Licken hysterical nonsense. You have zero basis to make such assertions and and your paranoia is doing nothing but spoiling the enjoyment of others.
Jose has improved midfielders and other positions. We would just have to ask the players and they would say yes. A simple way to look at it. There's truths and then there are things we think. It would be natural for players that have been managed by him - midfielders in this case - would say they have improved and who are we to say they're lying? Even if it's only improving their mentality in some instances.
I think we have to get pogba this time whatever the cost...
if we look at midfield we buy the last 3 year (fellaini, depay, mata, schneiderlin, herrera, schweni) have cost us more than 120 million pounds and all of them are flop so far... buy pogba for 120 million and don't buy any midfield for the next 5 year..
we also need to get rid of that surplus midfielder to cut our wage for pogba so I hope at least 3 of them is gone now or next season...
if we look at midfield we buy the last 3 year (fellaini, depay, mata, schneiderlin, herrera, schweni) have cost us more than 120 million pounds and all of them are flop so far... buy pogba for 120 million and don't buy any midfield for the next 5 year..
we also need to get rid of that surplus midfielder to cut our wage for pogba so I hope at least 3 of them is gone now or next season...
Doubt it, will be over by Monday I reckon
If woodward is supposed to be in China for the tour on Monday, i'd expect at least a decisive update from Di Marzio et al. today.
It BS, Di Marzio is a fraud and just posts click bait every night around 10 and people lap it up.
Got Gomes embarrassingly wrong.
Why would an agent need to fly to see a his client, it's laughable. Sign contract? Yeah sure, Pogba would fly to the UK for that.
Discuss details? Would just use the phone.
1st round k.o. right there...
For all we know they're just meeting up to enjoy each others company or I suppose celebrate the deal. We have no clue.
Mata is more an attacker, I'd say, but I get your point...all those players have been average/poor.
Bastian hardly ever plays a full game. Morgan was decent in some games but anonymous in most.
Fellaini had his uses (Plan B) and was good for that.
Herrera has been a bench warmer most of the time, so in LVG's opinion was not good enough.
But I do agree that after spending so much money, it seems like we have ended up with players who are not good enough to feature in a title winning team, either due to injury or just not being good enough.
Raiola was the agent for Nedved too? Bloody hell he's a worm.
There isn't a team in England that wouldn't be ruined if we removed all the players who would rather be at Madrid or Barca. Such is life.
Sounds more on than off from what i am reading. All very similar to Zlatan, have patience.
The reports I read said Mkhitaryan was desperate to sign. Plus nobody forced Di Maria he came for the cash (that's the reason behind most things in life). Pogba you're speculating as we don't know where he wants to go.
Agree with this, journalists in general know feck all unless being briefed by clubs/agents.
It doesn't make sense for him to fly around the world to speak to Pogba, we have things called telephones and computers with cameras which can connect people instantly.
Juv really are colossus feck squabbling over the fee.
I know people are saying we should just pay it ourselves or up the bid so it is covered, but its principle, the fee was agreed, Juv knew they had to pay the fee. We would look incredibly weak, we already get walked over enough in negotiations.
I know people are saying we should just pay it ourselves or up the bid so it is covered, but its principle, the fee was agreed, Juv knew they had to pay the fee. We would look incredibly weak, we already get walked over enough in negotiations.
If Real Madrid baulked at the initial price why would they get involved after we become irritated by excessive demands from Juventus? makes no sense whatsoever.
At this stage, I really can't see any other outcome than him signing for us.
At this stage, I really can't see any other outcome than him signing for us.
So Juve promised Raiola 20% of any transfer fee that they recieved so that he would persuade Pogba to sign for them, and now they've decided to go back on their word? If that's true then they shouldn't be surprised if agents act like arseholes to them from now on.
I honestly had no idea how emotionally scarred the members of this board were until now. The fear and worry about Real off the back of a few tweets is unbelievable.
Yep thats exactly what I meant....
I'm saying Real have done it twice with us and despite the fees involved in bringing him in, we didn't, but instead offered them a more than generous transfer fee. We could have been cnuts, but weren't. The stumbling block seems to be their agreement with the agent which, judging by reports, they now insist we should be paying. That is taking the piss.
Re Evra- Missed the point again. I had little issue with the sale, but we sold them a player who had a lot of football left in him for 3m. He was the starter at LB for France this summer. You obviously didn't read Devilish's post, but for a all Juve's talk of being a supposed big club, they are penny pinching cnuts which seems to be showing again.
It would almost certainly rule out a contract renewal in the very least.
Juventus are so bitter 
The Madrid nonsense is exactly that, nonsense.
- They can't fit him in the team with Kroos and Modric
- They don't even need him
- They can't afford him
- There's nothing concrete to suggest he's bound there.
It seems we can't win. It don't matter what other people say. Other people would be happy if we didn't get him. We have to protect our own interests. Size up every situation in it's own unique way. We can make a statement after but I think we shouldn't just sit down and be quiet.....
Sometimes it's better to have your enemies closer. We can milk the player and milk anyone that tries to purchase the player after. We can't be willing to offer 100 with people saying it's crazy and then think of what other people think. The club will survive but it reflects poorly on Juventus.
A fan wrote in the Juventus forum.
I don't know if it was mentioned here but @MomblanOfficial had a lot to say about Pogba today, @Nicholas tweeted a lot of stuff.
Basically he said that Pogba never requested a transfer and would only accept United if Juventus accepted an offer but he will not force anything. Juventus have no intention on selling him in this market (I guess that means they don't like possible replacements that are out there) and are requesting ridicuolous numbers from United (130m in cash + Raiola's fee + Pogba's salary). Allegri wants to keep him at all costs and doesn't want Witsel at all. He also said Raiola is flying to Miami to try and convince Pogba to request a transfer and Juventus offered 7.5m + bonuses extension to Pogba.
I don't know if it was mentioned here but @MomblanOfficial had a lot to say about Pogba today, @Nicholas tweeted a lot of stuff.
Basically he said that Pogba never requested a transfer and would only accept United if Juventus accepted an offer but he will not force anything. Juventus have no intention on selling him in this market (I guess that means they don't like possible replacements that are out there) and are requesting ridicuolous numbers from United (130m in cash + Raiola's fee + Pogba's salary). Allegri wants to keep him at all costs and doesn't want Witsel at all. He also said Raiola is flying to Miami to try and convince Pogba to request a transfer and Juventus offered 7.5m + bonuses extension to Pogba.
Chill the feck out. No reason to be paranoid or worried. Apparently all we have to do is come to an agreement over Raiola's fee, so I'm sure it's nearly done.
This is done. He'll be ours next week I reckon.
Sounds exactly like the version of events a Juventus fan wants to believe. It's fan fiction.
and the madrid press aka mouthpieces for perez keep denying they want him, outright state perez doesn't want him, or start bagging his Euro performances
People just want to post pessimistic rubbish, so they wait for any piece of news to do it.
Surely you don't believe this?
Yeah, money for him and his agent played zero part.
Do you have a lifelong mission to try and scourge Internet for any negative stories and then post it here to create panic?
Who the feck is Momblanofficial or Nicholas?
Don't know who this monblan guy is, but every Italian media reported Pogba had asked to leave, so can't see this theory being true. It sounds like someone rehashing the old reports with the "won't force anything" bit and adding his own theory about Raiola's flight to Miami.
Full translation of the El Confidencial article. It's absolute gold. Spanish version here by the way.
Apart from official confirmation, it seems a fact that Paul Pogba will be a Manchester United player for a sum in excess of 100 million euros. Another great deal for Juventus who have managed to get maximum value from the auction in which the French midfielder finds himself involved.
The excessive interest of Mourinho combined with the subtle intentions of Zidane have placed it (the auction) on a level with Neymar - that is if we ever find out his true, definitive cost - and above Ronaldo or Bale, who approach the 100 million mark, or Luis Suarez or Zidane himself.
However, the excellent relations between the player's sporting adviser (presume they mean Raiola) and Manchester United have been reinforced this summer. Pogba will be the third football from the same 'stable' to end up at Old Trafford, after Ibrahimovic and Mkhitaryan. The determination of 'Mou' to snatch the Frenchman from Real Madrid is decisive in an operation that 'Zizou' looks at with pity and of which Pogba himself harbours suspicion, after the personal anguish he suffered just four years ago.
Pogba kept alive the dream despite the fact that the European Championships recently held in France didn't turn out to be satisfactory for him. However, his image, as one of the top young players on the continent, has not been dented. This eccentric 23-year-old footballer, whose ancestry is of the ancient French Guinea, has fought beyond words to play for Real Madrid.
It has been strange to see the indifference with which his desire to wear the white shirt has been received. The lack of work done by Florentino Perez is at odds with his actions from the past, despite listening to the coach's view on who is a player who can grow to maturity in the passage of time.
And Pogba has delayed giving an affirmative answer to United as long as possible. He remembers vividly how he left Old Trafford distraught, especially the treatment he received from Sir Alex Ferguson. The fact that the Scot is no longer involved day-to-day at United is the trick Mourinho has pulled to convince him. However, his memory of that time doesn't lead him to presume he will have a comfortable time in Manchester.
In October 2009 Pogba landed in northeast England, just 16 years old, coming from Le Havre. At such a young age, he was one of the most promising young players pursued to the fullest by Ferguson's talent-hunters. A powerful central midfielder with enormous physical power, he stood out for covering every blade of glass and for getting out of tricky situations in both penalty areas.
But the dreams of this Guinean pearl were dispelled little by little. Sir Alex took two years to give him his first-team debut - in a league cup tie - and six months later he entered the Premier League as a substitute for Chicharito in a game against Stoke City. The lack of opportunities and seeing himself relegated to the bench led to the obvious conclusion that he occupied a wrong position.
The Scottish manager didn't know how to manage Pogba's development and the relationship ended up worse than anyone could have imagined. The arrogant Ferguson found himself pitted against the rebelliousness of youth and in the last few months life turned into a minor hell for Paul.
Season 2011/12 finished with Pogba a symbolic presence in the lineup: seven times in seven games, including a fleeting appearance in San Mames against Atheltic. He is still marked by the day that he gave up and decided to leave Old Trafford: 31 December 2011, a match against Blackburn Rovers. Before this episode, he had asked the boss for a meeting to request an explanation. He left the office crying for the lack of opportunities, after challenging the coach: "if you don't put me in, I can't show you if I'm ready or not."
Ferguson punished the Frenchman's boldness by placing Rafael, a right-back, in the midfield. That afternoon Pogba understood that all was lost in Manchester.
The thread of the relationship became ever more tense and in the last few weeks he found himself alone in the gym, on the margin of the group. The boy had refused to extend his contract and Ferguson counterattacked with arrogance and rage. Besides, someone had informed him that the player had committed himself a few months earlier to Juventus.
The challenge of returning through the great door to Old Trafford, now without the great devil who so embittered him, did not satisfy the Frenchman, especially because of the influence that Zidane has over him. Paul is not completely free of bitterness, even if he has realised that he won't find a hole to fill at Real Madrid. Many have been the conversations between him and his compatrior, the Madrid coach. En those conversation, 'Zizou' has been prudent in requesting patience to his correspondent. The coach was conscious of the fact that only a great champion of France '16 would arrive at the Bernabeu. But the Euros gave what the gave and Pogba was left in a half-way house.
For Zidane, the midfielder has plenty of room for improvement, to build on his physical power, his tactical nous and his amazing work in both boxes. This is what he has told Florentino. He has even admitted publicly his conditions and recognised that he likes the player.
But the energy of the boss slammed on the breaks after what happened during the French tournament. The president doesn't trust the footballer and his entourage, as well as his agent. He seems him just like Benzema: guys who need too many cuddles and are uncontrollable away from the pitch. In addition, he doesn't fancy selling James or Isco.
The final call from Pogba to Zidane was a desperate attempt to plea. But Zizou can't do anything more.
That little hell doesn't seem likely to repeat itself. Mourinho replaces Ferguon in the 'theatre of dreams'. But Paul doesn't stop fearing his own personal nightmare.
Apart from official confirmation, it seems a fact that Paul Pogba will be a Manchester United player for a sum in excess of 100 million euros. Another great deal for Juventus who have managed to get maximum value from the auction in which the French midfielder finds himself involved.
The excessive interest of Mourinho combined with the subtle intentions of Zidane have placed it (the auction) on a level with Neymar - that is if we ever find out his true, definitive cost - and above Ronaldo or Bale, who approach the 100 million mark, or Luis Suarez or Zidane himself.
However, the excellent relations between the player's sporting adviser (presume they mean Raiola) and Manchester United have been reinforced this summer. Pogba will be the third football from the same 'stable' to end up at Old Trafford, after Ibrahimovic and Mkhitaryan. The determination of 'Mou' to snatch the Frenchman from Real Madrid is decisive in an operation that 'Zizou' looks at with pity and of which Pogba himself harbours suspicion, after the personal anguish he suffered just four years ago.
Pogba kept alive the dream despite the fact that the European Championships recently held in France didn't turn out to be satisfactory for him. However, his image, as one of the top young players on the continent, has not been dented. This eccentric 23-year-old footballer, whose ancestry is of the ancient French Guinea, has fought beyond words to play for Real Madrid.
It has been strange to see the indifference with which his desire to wear the white shirt has been received. The lack of work done by Florentino Perez is at odds with his actions from the past, despite listening to the coach's view on who is a player who can grow to maturity in the passage of time.
And Pogba has delayed giving an affirmative answer to United as long as possible. He remembers vividly how he left Old Trafford distraught, especially the treatment he received from Sir Alex Ferguson. The fact that the Scot is no longer involved day-to-day at United is the trick Mourinho has pulled to convince him. However, his memory of that time doesn't lead him to presume he will have a comfortable time in Manchester.
In October 2009 Pogba landed in northeast England, just 16 years old, coming from Le Havre. At such a young age, he was one of the most promising young players pursued to the fullest by Ferguson's talent-hunters. A powerful central midfielder with enormous physical power, he stood out for covering every blade of glass and for getting out of tricky situations in both penalty areas.
But the dreams of this Guinean pearl were dispelled little by little. Sir Alex took two years to give him his first-team debut - in a league cup tie - and six months later he entered the Premier League as a substitute for Chicharito in a game against Stoke City. The lack of opportunities and seeing himself relegated to the bench led to the obvious conclusion that he occupied a wrong position.
The Scottish manager didn't know how to manage Pogba's development and the relationship ended up worse than anyone could have imagined. The arrogant Ferguson found himself pitted against the rebelliousness of youth and in the last few months life turned into a minor hell for Paul.
Season 2011/12 finished with Pogba a symbolic presence in the lineup: seven times in seven games, including a fleeting appearance in San Mames against Atheltic. He is still marked by the day that he gave up and decided to leave Old Trafford: 31 December 2011, a match against Blackburn Rovers. Before this episode, he had asked the boss for a meeting to request an explanation. He left the office crying for the lack of opportunities, after challenging the coach: "if you don't put me in, I can't show you if I'm ready or not."
Ferguson punished the Frenchman's boldness by placing Rafael, a right-back, in the midfield. That afternoon Pogba understood that all was lost in Manchester.
The thread of the relationship became ever more tense and in the last few weeks he found himself alone in the gym, on the margin of the group. The boy had refused to extend his contract and Ferguson counterattacked with arrogance and rage. Besides, someone had informed him that the player had committed himself a few months earlier to Juventus.
The challenge of returning through the great door to Old Trafford, now without the great devil who so embittered him, did not satisfy the Frenchman, especially because of the influence that Zidane has over him. Paul is not completely free of bitterness, even if he has realised that he won't find a hole to fill at Real Madrid. Many have been the conversations between him and his compatrior, the Madrid coach. En those conversation, 'Zizou' has been prudent in requesting patience to his correspondent. The coach was conscious of the fact that only a great champion of France '16 would arrive at the Bernabeu. But the Euros gave what the gave and Pogba was left in a half-way house.
For Zidane, the midfielder has plenty of room for improvement, to build on his physical power, his tactical nous and his amazing work in both boxes. This is what he has told Florentino. He has even admitted publicly his conditions and recognised that he likes the player.
But the energy of the boss slammed on the breaks after what happened during the French tournament. The president doesn't trust the footballer and his entourage, as well as his agent. He seems him just like Benzema: guys who need too many cuddles and are uncontrollable away from the pitch. In addition, he doesn't fancy selling James or Isco.
The final call from Pogba to Zidane was a desperate attempt to plea. But Zizou can't do anything more.
That little hell doesn't seem likely to repeat itself. Mourinho replaces Ferguon in the 'theatre of dreams'. But Paul doesn't stop fearing his own personal nightmare.