We fecked up signing lucas moura and hazard because we didn't want to pay large sum of agent fee.
Hope it doesn't repeat again.
Hope it doesn't repeat again.
Paul Pogba | Undergoing Medical | Helping out the Laundry Ladies
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I would like to see Pogba at United for the start of the season. But I'm fairly relaxed. Even without him. I expect Us to start the season with the best midfield we have had for some years. Pretty sure there will be a plan B, C, D and so on.
First. Raiola flying to Miami is a good sign. If the deal was off why would he leave Turin or Europe?
Secondly. Pogba still has an agreement with United. If he, at this stage of the deal, was interested in Real Madrid then Raiola and Perez would tell everybody under the sun about this new information. So at the moment you can relax. Madrid isn't on table.
Third. Juventus is playing a dangerous game. They want to re negotiate the deal they had with Raiola. Strictly legally that's not Uniteds concerns. That's a problem between Juve and the agent.
Fourt. In every negotiation both parties tries to negotiate details in to the last seconds before the deal is finalized. Especially a veteran dealer like Marotta. Nothing unusual. In this case I think Marotta wants United to pay Raiola's fee by upper their bid from €110 to 120m. Off course Woodward is so far ice cold about this proposal. He already reached an agreement about the fee, Raiola is Juves headache.
In order to save the deal I think Raiola want all three parties to share the burden by lowering their demands. That's why he's going to Miami to present this solution to his client. As soon as the deal is accepted he and Pogba needs to go thru all the details. This is probably Paul Pogbas most important deal in his whole life. Then face to face talks are expected. Raiola is a serious agent who cares for his clients.
Will the deal go thru? Yes! To much prestige involved. Juve wants the money. Pogba and Raiola knows this is golden opportunity to earn crazy money. United can't lose this deal, again. Way to much goodwill involved.
Relax all of you. Pogba will be a United player before end of August.!
Secondly. Pogba still has an agreement with United. If he, at this stage of the deal, was interested in Real Madrid then Raiola and Perez would tell everybody under the sun about this new information. So at the moment you can relax. Madrid isn't on table.
Third. Juventus is playing a dangerous game. They want to re negotiate the deal they had with Raiola. Strictly legally that's not Uniteds concerns. That's a problem between Juve and the agent.
Fourt. In every negotiation both parties tries to negotiate details in to the last seconds before the deal is finalized. Especially a veteran dealer like Marotta. Nothing unusual. In this case I think Marotta wants United to pay Raiola's fee by upper their bid from €110 to 120m. Off course Woodward is so far ice cold about this proposal. He already reached an agreement about the fee, Raiola is Juves headache.
In order to save the deal I think Raiola want all three parties to share the burden by lowering their demands. That's why he's going to Miami to present this solution to his client. As soon as the deal is accepted he and Pogba needs to go thru all the details. This is probably Paul Pogbas most important deal in his whole life. Then face to face talks are expected. Raiola is a serious agent who cares for his clients.
Will the deal go thru? Yes! To much prestige involved. Juve wants the money. Pogba and Raiola knows this is golden opportunity to earn crazy money. United can't lose this deal, again. Way to much goodwill involved.
Relax all of you. Pogba will be a United player before end of August.!
Ok, of course you don't! A bit of a long winded comment by someone, who doesn't invest in United and transfer sagas?!
I don't get invested in transfer sagas by worrying myself, or refreshing here, or twitter and things like that. You can check how frequently i have posted on this Pogba thread for example, don't make a fool of yourself.
I won't read too much about what Jose said in his press conference, he is just being diplomatic.
It isn't like he will say yes United really desperate for Pogba and will do and pay anything to get him, isn't he.
Also Jose as a good manager, it is sensible to have other alternatives beside Pogba, hence the rumor about Matuidi and Matic.
Considering so many covering this, I believe this will concluded very soon unless United decided Juve and Raiola requests are beyond them then we will look at the alternatives. Hopefully not.
It isn't like he will say yes United really desperate for Pogba and will do and pay anything to get him, isn't he.
Also Jose as a good manager, it is sensible to have other alternatives beside Pogba, hence the rumor about Matuidi and Matic.
Considering so many covering this, I believe this will concluded very soon unless United decided Juve and Raiola requests are beyond them then we will look at the alternatives. Hopefully not.
Like I said the players dictate strongly where they go. And we dont know what is happening behind the scenes I agree.
BBC radio have now picked up the Pogba story but only based on Jose's comments, in that we want to buy him but have other targets.
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What you think? Are Woody and Mourinho focused on Pogba, or got they a decent Plan B how to develop without him?
If it doesn't get concluded by Monday at the latest then it's over. I'd imagine that all parties don't want anything to hold a deal that's worth this much money, especially the people are getting paid.
Mourinho said we're chasing a couple of players and we'll sign one of them, so it's probably safe to say we have a back up in case Pogba doesn't end up coming.
We can't rely on just Pogba. We are too big a club to be solely focus on Plan A and not having any Plan B or C. Team have to be ready way before the first match with or without Pogba.
Don't be worried about Madrid, I'm sure they're interested i Pogba, it's within their best interests to target the best players in the world, however, they're not going to get him. They've been priced out of this deal and I'm pretty sure after all the work Woody has done to make this happen he'd rather give Pogba £400k a week and his agent £50m than watch this deal slip through his fingers.
Everyone talking of these plan B's and C's, who? Matuidi and Matic are probably the only available midfielders left, Matic being probably difficult to buy. Not to add, neither of those players are a big improvement on what we have. Pogba is the only elite midfielder left available that can take us up a level. That's why I found Jose's quotes about being held ransom worrying.
Reading between the lines Jose gave Ed a list of 4 positions he wanted to fill giving 3 names for each position. For the first 3 Ed probably got the first choice on the list and the deals were done quickly.
For the 4th position, clearly Pogba is the first choice for that position, but Jose has no doubt given Ed two other names in the event that the Pogba deal cannot be finalised.
However, because this will be a world record deal and Raiola wanting to make the most of it plus Pogba being on holiday, it's not going to tied up in a few hours.
I do fully expect Pogba to sign for us but if something does go wrong there will be a second and third choice.
No worries
For the 4th position, clearly Pogba is the first choice for that position, but Jose has no doubt given Ed two other names in the event that the Pogba deal cannot be finalised.
However, because this will be a world record deal and Raiola wanting to make the most of it plus Pogba being on holiday, it's not going to tied up in a few hours.
I do fully expect Pogba to sign for us but if something does go wrong there will be a second and third choice.
No worries
Plus those two really are nothing like Pogba at all, so aren't really comparable or real alternatives. I'm hoping Jose knows that seeing as so many on here don't seem to.
Oh my God!!! If we are not getting Pogba, we are dooooomed....
Yes that's fair enough.
We don't even know Raiola flew to Miami do we?
I just feel that's the only plausible reason.
Maybe whatever club he would sign for sent their doctor to have a medical there. I don't know.
I'm a bit lost.. Why would Juve pay Raiolas fee? Seems a bit strange they would pay him for the privelage of taking their best player away!
That's like me paying the bloke who just stole my wife!
That's like me paying the bloke who just stole my wife!
Id happily pay for someone to come take mine..am I right guys?! Only joking, but not really.
Not his fee. He is entitled to a % of the fees received by juve.
I reckon Gomes might have been Plan B but we've missed out on him. Matuidi plan C? I hope this is not turning into another Fabregas where Woody dithers until we end up with Plan Z - Fellaini - or whoever his 2016 equivalent is.
With that logic Raiola can continue to jack up the price to unlimited levels, by adding 20m to the price in every meeting. "You are already spending 150m, why are you worried about 20m?"
They have a plan B and C. Missing out on Pogba would be a huge disappointment, however.
I read Jose's comments as posturing. It seems highly likely that there is an impasse on Raiola's cut and Juve want us to pay it. I'm sure that Jose comments were intended to say 'we will not be held to ransom', if you want to walk away from the deal and keep an unhappy player we have other targets'.
I do believe an agreement will be reached.
Juve enticed him into moving Pogba from United by giving him 20% of any future transfer fee, now they want us to pay that cut
They are playing hard ball.
This is the most common thing that everyone says during negotiations. It would be more daft If he said "we individuated a player, and we will do everything to get him". It puts the ball in Juve and Raiola's court. If they drag it for too long, we will buy an alternative and that's it. I am sure with all the money Juve is spending this year, they are also interested in banking on Pogba.
I for one still believe this one is still happening,we still got one more week before the deadline, if its not today then still one good week to go.
Only possible chance of this deal getting break up is Madrid getting in the last minute to match whatever we had promised to Juventus plus the agent fee,
deal between us and Juventus may be at advance stage but still the player preference matters.
Raiola getting to Miami might be on asking player to forgo his image right on which we might be very much adamant as we spend close to 100M,still lot of hurdles before this deal to get completed.
Only possible chance of this deal getting break up is Madrid getting in the last minute to match whatever we had promised to Juventus plus the agent fee,
deal between us and Juventus may be at advance stage but still the player preference matters.
Raiola getting to Miami might be on asking player to forgo his image right on which we might be very much adamant as we spend close to 100M,still lot of hurdles before this deal to get completed.
If I had a second life, I'd come back as an arrogant self important agent. What an easy way to make money. Have just one world class player on your books and you're made for life!
He gets a % of whatever Pogba is sold for and we want to pay X amount which would be 80% to Juve and 20% Raiola.
So for argument sake we want to pay 100m € with Juve getting 80 and Raiola 20. Juve wants the full 100 and us to pay Raiola the extra which would mean we pay 120m €
Exactly. Juve are obviously trying to move the goalposts after we've met their initial deal. Jose is just reminding them that Pogba isn't the only player in the world and if they ask WAY too much then we can move on.They have a plan B and C. Missing out on Pogba would be a huge disappointment, however.
I read Jose's comments as posturing. It seems highly likely that there is an impasse on Raiola's cut and Juve want us to pay it. I'm sure that Jose comments were intended to say 'we will not be held to ransom', if you want to walk away from the deal and keep an unhappy player we have other targets'.
I do believe an agreement will be reached.
Juve enticed him into moving Pogba by giving him 20% of any future transfer fee, now they want us to pay that cut
They are playing hard ball.
I have no doubt we will meet a middle ground and get the deal sorted. Juve need to get reinforcements in, we need the player in for pre season and Pogba needs to know where he is playing. It doesn't help anybody it dragging on anymore.
After all these pages and posts, We have to sign Pogba.
Great point, mate! This has left me feeling quite optimistic..
I wish that the deal goes through as soon as possible. Remember, we have to sell players as well. As long as the Pogba saga continues, we can't move in the market too much.
Furthermore, its just about fair that you tell the players who are expected to leave, that the writing is finally on the wall. In this way, they can plan their future course of action.
It will be done. Dont worry. I think by sunday he will be our player.
Tell that to Benzema, Ronaldo, Sneijder etc etc etc
All based on the assumption that the following information is correct.
1/ Raiola + Juventus have a contract stating that Juventus have obligation to pay a 20% fee of any future transfer of Pogba.
2/ After preliminary agreement on fee between Man Utd and Juve, Juve then insist Man Utd pay agents fee
This is how it should be done.
1/ Man Utd in coordination with Raiola should have a legal binding document between themselves stating that both parties are in acknowledgement that Juve are essentially blackmailing Man Utd by attempting to invalidate the contract between Raiola and Juve re 20% fee.
2/ Man Utd should pay the agreed fee to Juventus and Raiola's 20% fee
3/ Use the legally binding document made between Man Utd + Raiola to sue the feck out of Juventus.
4/ Make sure that the legal case is dragged out in the public domain using ALL means neccessary to make it clear what type of underhanded club Juventus are and in the process destroying all notion of the 'romance' that the name Juventus once had.
5/ After winning the legal case against Juventus make it clear that Man Utd stand for freedom, honesty and integrity
And finally
Feck Juventus
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1/ Raiola + Juventus have a contract stating that Juventus have obligation to pay a 20% fee of any future transfer of Pogba.
2/ After preliminary agreement on fee between Man Utd and Juve, Juve then insist Man Utd pay agents fee
This is how it should be done.
1/ Man Utd in coordination with Raiola should have a legal binding document between themselves stating that both parties are in acknowledgement that Juve are essentially blackmailing Man Utd by attempting to invalidate the contract between Raiola and Juve re 20% fee.
2/ Man Utd should pay the agreed fee to Juventus and Raiola's 20% fee
3/ Use the legally binding document made between Man Utd + Raiola to sue the feck out of Juventus.
4/ Make sure that the legal case is dragged out in the public domain using ALL means neccessary to make it clear what type of underhanded club Juventus are and in the process destroying all notion of the 'romance' that the name Juventus once had.
5/ After winning the legal case against Juventus make it clear that Man Utd stand for freedom, honesty and integrity
And finally
Feck Juventus
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Oh and please have pity on a fellow n00b muppet, redcafe member and help me to the realms of manhood
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It looks to me like "Frey-bentos" are trying to take the piss, asking us to pay the agents fee in its entirety, and this is why Jose let it be known we have are fingers in other pies, going off our history with trying to obtain the worlds elite footballers, I'm not as confident as I was Tuesday that's for sure.
Why do you think so? Genuine question.
Ed should play hardball with Juve, give them a deadline of say Sunday and then move on with other targets as the season will soon be here
Now, before I question anything here I want to stress that this was a very good post.
But how much of this do we know for sure is true?
It isn't easy though is it. You have to have balls as big as watermelons and be able to bend peoples will to your own.
Raiola is a distasteful character but a very shrewd operator. Lukaku's dad revealed an interesting snippet about him earlier this year. He said that Raiola doesn't want to move Lukaku to an elite club yet, he wanted to move him to Italy first preferably. We can see that is what he has done with Pogba, took him away from an elite level club (money wise) and now he is moving him again for crazy money, if he had stayed at United the only possible move that would have been a big earner for him would be to Madrid. Raiola looks to maximise his earnings from players by scaling them up. I'm sure that if we do sign Pogba Raiola will have his eye on a £150m move to Madrid in four years time.
The line was, "I don't get invested in United AND transfer sagas!"
There was no mention of, "worrying myself, or refreshing here, or twitter and things like that".
Guess you're not the most articulate! Hahahahahaha