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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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Ixion said:
He said a potential winner, as in he could win it in the future not now. And yes he'd have to beat out Messi and Ronaldo to do it.
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Currently he's not even the best player in his position, let alone could considered to be the top player overall so he's a hell of a lot to prove in the coming years. If you compare him to Ronaldo, which was the original point, at the same age, he'd won the Ballon D'or on merit.
 
SteveJ said:
I'd sign him just for the touch of fantasy in his game (that outside-of-the-boot shot against Germany, for example). Fantasy is something deeply associated with United, and something we've lacked recently.
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Is fantasy the right word?
 
Adam-Utd said:
Pogba is potentially a winner too, he's just unlucky he's got 2 of the greatest players of the modern era in his way. I am not doubting 100m is a little over what he's "worth", but generally transfer fee's aren't what a player is worth, it's how much Juve are willing to lose him for.
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It's not as if Pogba would likely win even if Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi weren't around. Suarez/Neymar/Bale/Ibrahimovic could just be winning it instead. I don't think he'll ever win it, but anyway the original point was that there's valid reason for people to have reservations about that in comparison to Cristiano.

I've stopped caring about the price too much myself (I doubt the transfer will even happen) but I don't think Pogba would be coming into our midfield at the right time.
 
Steven7290 said:
Out of all the names he listed you chose Carvalho to pick on. Anytime I see the boy he's class, not spectacular but still class in his position
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Yes, he doesn't play the same position as Pogba at all, has a completely different skill set and he doesn't impress me that much either.
 
I think the £100mil figure is more us trying to price out the player from the Madrids and Citys of the world, rather than us just throwing money around like the rich kid at a bar.
Besides we make this ridiculous amount of money every year, why not spend like it.
 
It's ironic that there has been so much criticism of Woodward for being useless and embarrassing our club since he's joined us, and yet the man is showing far more ambition to get our club back to the top of the pile than many of our fans do. Pogba wouldn't only improve our team, he would improve us commercially and he would send out a big statement of intent by us that every player in the world will take notice of. It'll help us sign other big names in the coming seasons. We're not paying £100m for just the footballer he is today, we're paying £100m for the footballer he can become and the whole package he brings to our club off the pitch too.
 
SteveJ said:
I'd sign him just for the touch of fantasy in his game (that outside-of-the-boot shot against Germany, for example). Fantasy is something deeply associated with United, and something we've lacked recently.
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I'm the same, that's what I like about him.
 
Why must we go through such soul-searching whenever we pay highly for talent? Simply, paying highly is a neccessary evil: we have to push the boat out because 'big' players don't view us as especially prestigious at this time.
 
SteveJ said:
I'd sign him just for the touch of fantasy in his game (that outside-of-the-boot shot against Germany, for example). Fantasy is something deeply associated with United, and something we've lacked recently.
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Totally agree. Pogba is one of those players that makes football worth watching.
 
SteveJ said:
Why must we go through such soul-searching whenever we pay highly for talent? Simply, paying highly is a neccessary evil: we have to push the boat out because 'big' players don't view us as especially prestigious at this time.
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The thing is that if we don't pay it then the pitchforks will be out. There was uproar when we let Hazard slip for an extra £6 million, which in hindsight was an outstanding deal (despite his dip in form).

Of course, we are talking sky high figures for Pogba, but the same principal applies.
 
SteveJ said:
Why must we go through such soul-searching whenever we pay highly for talent? Simply, paying highly is a neccessary evil: we have to push the boat out because 'big' players don't view us as especially prestigious at this time.
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In essence that's what it is all about. Probably all the reports having him choosing Barca and Real before us are true but we're the only one ready to pay his asking price - regardless of how ridiculous it is at the time.
 
RetroStu said:
I think the £100mil figure is more us trying to price out the player from the Madrids and Citys of the world, rather than us just throwing money around like the rich kid at a bar.
Besides we make this ridiculous amount of money every year, why not spend like it.
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I thought the same thing. Realistically, the only way we will get a player like Pogba ahead of Real Madrid at the moment is by paying a bigger fee and/or wages than they are willing or able to
 
Hypothetically say we bid €120m and Madrid bid €100m. Is there any way Pogba could force a move to Madrid, or would Juve stand in the way by refusing to accept Madrid's offer?
 
IgnorantLobster said:
Hypothetically say we bid €120m and Madrid bid €100m. Is there any way Pogba could force a move to Madrid, or would Juve stand in the way by refusing to accept Madrid's offer?
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Sure, he could say it's either Madrid or I am staying. That way Juve would have to either choose the cheaper bid or keep an unhappy player. From everything that's been said though he would be happy to join us, it's just that Madrid and Zidane were his "preference" - apparently.
 
IgnorantLobster said:
Hypothetically say we bid €120m and Madrid bid €100m. Is there any way Pogba could force a move to Madrid, or would Juve stand in the way by refusing to accept Madrid's offer?
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Right now, Juventus is determined to refuse.
 
IgnorantLobster said:
Hypothetically say we bid €120m and Madrid bid €100m. Is there any way Pogba could force a move to Madrid, or would Juve stand in the way by refusing to accept Madrid's offer?
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Depends if €100m was acceptable to them or not. If Pogba won't go to us then our €120m isn't a valid offer in the sense it's not really relevant. Same thing happened when City outbid us for Berbatov.
 
IgnorantLobster said:
Hypothetically say we bid €120m and Madrid bid €100m. Is there any way Pogba could force a move to Madrid, or would Juve stand in the way by refusing to accept Madrid's offer?
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If Juve were willing and happy to sell for €100m and Pogba only wanted to go to Madrid then yeah it could happen.
 
PepsiCola said:
I have no problem with the fee at all.

This lad has an insane ceiling. My only worry is Madrid come knocking when he reaches it.
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Do we even know his actual position yet? is her a b2b, a 10 a 6? Someone to have an insane ceiling, they should have a fixed role and be improving in all attributes of their game every year.
 
Do we really want to force a player to come to OT against his will?
 
Isotope said:
Yeh. That Sir Alex sure had mid table mentality for being so frugal.
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How many transfer records did Sir Alex break over the years?

The "Value in the market" period took us from a team with Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov to one with Valencia, Young, Welbeck and Hernandez.
 
He may be a highlight player, but feck it, those highlights and the things he can do when he's on form is why I'm watching football in the first place. I'd kill to see a couple of those highlights-moments in this team for these last few years. Just sign him up...
 
Pexbo said:
How many transfer records did Sir Alex break over the years?

The "Value in the market" period took us from a team with Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov to one with Valencia, Young, Welbeck and Hernandez.
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Don't forget Cleverley
 
IgnorantLobster said:
Hypothetically say we bid €120m and Madrid bid €100m. Is there any way Pogba could force a move to Madrid, or would Juve stand in the way by refusing to accept Madrid's offer?
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If that was the case, I would assume Raiola will receive the offers from both clubs and brief us that €100 million is acceptable and push for the €20 million difference to end up in his and Pogba's pockets in that case.

Transfers aren't just the fee between the clubs. The contract and signing fees comes into play as well. If we're willing to offer more money, we have an advantage. Depends on how much Pogba thinks the whole Madrid glitz factor is worth.
 
Would he want to go to Madrid though? They have modric and Kroos already...
 
Pexbo said:
How many transfer records did Sir Alex break over the years?

The "Value in the market" period took us from a team with Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov to one with Valencia, Young, Welbeck and Hernandez.
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He broke the British transfer record a few times but never threatened the world transfer record as far as I can recall. Which I guess kind of reinforces the point about United settling for domestic dominance without trying to be the 'biggest club in the world' when it came to spending money.
 
Red Stone said:
If that was the case, I would assume Raiola will receive the offers from both clubs and brief us that €100 million is acceptable and push for the €20 million difference to end up in his and Pogba's pockets in that case.

Transfers aren't just the fee between the clubs. The contract and signing fees comes into play as well. If we're willing to offer more money, we have an advantage. Depends on how much Pogba thinks the whole Madrid glitz factor is worth.
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I always assume its a lot. I mean, at a certain level a player is earning so much money that an extra £20k or £50k a week starts to be a little meaningless. OK not meaningless, but there is a law of diminishing returns in play. The difference between 300K a week and 350K a week is not going to feel as significant as the difference between 100k a week and 150k a week, let alone 0 and 50k a week. Once you get into the realms of "more money than I am ever actually going to spend", other factors will become increasingly important, relatively speaking, meaning things like playing for the most prestigious clubs and climate.
 
devilish said:
Do we really want to force a player to come to OT against his will?
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We're dealing with hearsay and peoples imagination 9/10. We also heard how he wanted to come back to United in his career. So if he went so Spain, he would eventually want to leave. If we become successful again, then people settle down. I don't think the desire to go to Spain is as big as people imagine. Naturally his preference would be Madrid, they've just won the CL 2 times in 3 years (though they were lucky to face a neighbour in the final twice). It's natural, certainly since LVG let us down but he has friends and family in the UK so I don't think he'll have too much of a problem with it.
 
JohnnyKills said:
He broke the British transfer record a few times but never threatened the world transfer record as far as I can recall. Which I guess kind of reinforces the point about United settling for domestic dominance without trying to be the 'biggest club in the world' when it came to spending money.
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That was more to do with the fact that Madrid/Barce and the Italian clubs at the time were far stronger financially.

Nowadays English clubs are by far the strongest financially.
 
devilish said:
Do we really want to force a player to come to OT against his will?
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He's a much stronger personality than Di Maria. With his history with the club there no way he will shrink and leave with his tail between his legs.
 
finneh said:
That was more to do with the fact that Madrid/Barce and the Italian clubs at the time were far stronger financially.

Nowadays English clubs are by far the strongest financially.
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Not sure about the Spanish/Italian clubs being stronger than us in the 90s and 00s (Madrid had to sell their training ground to raise money if I remember correctly) but we've definitely got all the financial power now.

If (and it's a huge if) Pogba signs it could be the start of a shift in football's tectonic plates. RM and Barca both have to pay for new stadiums very soon and both have faced financial investigations, so they might have to take a break from the top end of the market. Meanwhile the Premier League continues to hoover up money and, with all the top managers coming this season, it promises to be even more lucrative.
 
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