Nobody forced Di Maria to come either.
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Dafaq? No one forced him to move here. He came here. He started off well. Everything was going nicely and it was a combination of things that led to his departure.
I agree. I've interviewed Pogba few years ago and even at very young age he showed a great deal of maturity and a certain immunity to BS. He knew what he wanted (ie to play) and his plan made sense. Money were secondary to playing football week in week out. As he said back then, if he play football regularly then money will come and that's why I was 100% sure that he will leave United just as he left le Harve irrespective of what SAF promised him in the future.
People change of course and Pogba is now 23. He may want to follow his idol Zidane this time round and lets face it, Real Madrid are Real Madrid. However would he really break his mantra of ensuring a first team place in exchange for glory? I mean at Real he will be competing with the likes of Modric and Kroos while with us he will be handled a first team place on a silver platter. Also we all know how fickle Real Madrid are. He may be the flashy toy of the season but what happens once a new toy appear?
Raiola is also a much stronger personality then any other agent.
Love it *kiss*
Im confused as to which side you're arguing for. Earlier you said you dont want to force a player to OT against his will. Im guessing that was regarding Pogba.
Nobody forced him to come here. He's a big boy, he can play where he wants.
Footballers tend to be a very self confident bunch though. I think at the stage of his career he's at and the prices people are willing to pay for him, he wont be worried about whether he will get in the team anymore. He would back himself to start at Real Madrid. If they are willing to meet Juve's asking price then its game over IMO.
Di Maria was a different issue PSG were restricted by FFP but he still wanted to leave Real Madrid because of that A**hole Perez, United were his only route.
If Mourinho had been here i think he'd of flourished much more but Van Gaal was an idiot, played him out of position in a negative style of play. Then add his home being robbed and it makes for a very sour ending.
My point being no matter which way you look at it he wasn't forced into anything and if we wanted we could of forced him to stay.
I am in no one's side, really. I am building my opinion and I am keen in picking arguments pro/against signing him. On one hand I don't want us to sign a player who doesn't want to come to OT. On the other hand I think that Striker10 might have a point in saying that this 'I want to go to Real' thing may be inflated. 100m is a big sum of money and while I have no doubt about the player's talent I don't want a repeat to the ADM/JSV saga
Amazing isn't it. At the time Madrid bought Bale people on here were questioning the fee, wasn't worth it etc.
Now all of a sudden we are in the same situation with Pogba and some people just can't get there head around the money it takes. I wonder if some Madrid fans didn't want Ronaldo because it was such a huge cost? god no
The main benefit of signing Pogba would be the fact that it would open the door to other signings and put the club back on the map. People would start thinking United are back in business, and other top playes would think 'well if it's good enough for Pogba, it's good enough for me too.'
In 2003 Barcelona were in the doldrums and relaunched themselves by nicking Ronaldinho from United. In 2009 Real Madrid did the same by signing Kaka, Ronaldo and Benzema. All those players cost big money but their effect was priceless; nowadays every player in the world wants to sign for one of Spain's big two and they reach the semi-finals of the CL pretty much every year.
It seems United are trying to follow the RM/Barca example by hiring a big-name manager and going after a marquee name to put the recent turmoil behind us. If it works no-one will care about the money it cost.
Maybe yeah but if they have a player pushing for a move and they have received a bid of over €100m then i imagine they would sell.
Supposedly United made a higher bid than Real for Benzema but Benzema pushed for the move to Real.
So it can happen.
Agreed. I think we started that off with getting Mourinho. We've seen already with Ibra and Mkhitaryan, no chance would they have joined under LVG IMO.
Very true.
Still, I'm not buying this crap Guillem Balague is spewing that he prefers Madrid over United. Its just sour grapes, for a change they can't compete financially, boo hoo my heart bleeds for them.... not
Fair enough.
100% Sky even reported Ibrahimovic wouldnt of joined under LVG
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ould-join-man-united-if-louis-van-gaal-leaves
I felt that he is different though which is understandable. Unlike lets say the Nevilles who were raised few miles away from OT in a football oriented family and whose dream was to play for their local team, the boy had nothing stable in his life. He was the son of first generation migrants, who had moved 2 clubs before joining Le Havre. At age 16 he joined Manchester United and 2 years later he joined Juventus. Those are two big clubs with a great history and with a ridiculously high failing rate. Despite all, Pogba kept thriving and is now rated 100m.
This clearly show that the boy isn't only brave but he also know how to play the game well. I mean there's very few people who can say that they were able to build a superb career despite defying the don of football ie SAF. That demands respect.
Don't underrate the boy. He may be young but he's very mature at his age.
No. This is something I was thinking about yesterday. It is clear he wants Madrid or Barca and may be holding out to join them. Why don't we let Real sign him if he wants them so badly and then go for one of the CM they will have to sell to balance the midfield. Modric, Kroos and Pogba is a bid unstable as they are all attacking minded
I dont think Im underrating him. Everything youve said makes perfect sense, all Im saying is I am not sure he would look at Madrid and worry about his ability to get into the team. I think he would have the self belief to feel he could go to Madrid and be first on the team sheet. A lot of footballers seem to have that kind of belief, often it is misplaced, in his case I think he can probably back it up. It seems to me everything you said there only really supports what Im saying.
It would be Modric and Kroos who would be the losers here.
We all know Perez likes his shiny new toys, even if nothings wrong with his current ones.
That's why he sold the likes of Robben, Sneijder and Makalele at their peak. If Pogba does move there, he should hope he picks up a Ballon D'Or or two, otherwise he'll get discarded for another new toy years later.
It's inevitable that the Premier League will become the place for top class players. When mid table Premier League teams are willing to pay £30m+ and £150k a week for some of Europe's top talents we'll get to a stage where no player is going to choose what we'd class as historically big European teams over historically small Premier League teams. It's already happened with the Milan clubs vs the likes of West Ham/Everton.
If it carries on the Premier League will become a super league.
What else did he say to you when you spoke to him yesterday?
I think that in this particular case it wont be about self belief but more about what is best of him. As said this boy have brains. He's been playing his cards carefully since he was 12, moving from club to club whenever there was an obstacle in his way and building his career in the process. At age 16 he joined us because we've got a reputation of giving kids a chance (+Scholes, Giggs and co were not going to last forever) and at age 18 he opted for Juventus (the closest thing in Italy to Man United + they had an ageing Pirlo) when he could have easily moved to some richer club.
Now lets compare Real to United under that light
a- we are more desperate to have him then Real do. We're in 5th place and they are CL winners, that means we will probably pay him more
b- there's much less competition at OT then at Real
c- we have a reputation of sticking to players more then Real do, that include sick players and players who are WAAAAAAAYYYYY beyond their expiry date. We just love our oldies/sick players which makes us the ideal retirement home for legends. Pogba will become one one day if he stick to the place long enough.
d- he's a homegrown talent at United but not at Real.
e- there's a bigger chance of Mou sticking at OT then Zidane sticking to Real
Maybe I'm reading too much out of it. I mean I only spoke to him for 30 minutes max. However unlike Gaz (whom at the time couldn't say a sentence without putting Manchester United in it) and Beckham (whom at the time could barely string an entire sentence) he does come across as quite mature whose confident in his talent but who thinks alot about the future.
Fair enough but its easy to make a list of reasons why a French superstar with considerable belief in his own ability might choose Real as well.
a) (Im repeating myself but) chance to play with some of the best players in the world
b) Zidane
c) More likely to win the CL
d) Climate
e) Biggest club in the world TM
f) If it doesnt work its easy enough to move on again
But who knows. 30 mins isnt a long time but its 30 minutes longer than Ive spoken to him for so maybe youre onto something.
He can do all that when he's 26. If he's offered £300,000 a week from United, I dont see how he or his agent turns that down.
wow, sounds like we really have a deal lined up
Hard to say Keane or Scholes were never sold in their prime years
One of Pogba's brothers plays in Scotland so that is something else that could play a small part, as well as the friends he already has from his previous time in Manchester.
Scholes at 24? or Scholes at 30+
I think his young siblings too the education system is better here, and they can go to better universities here too if he stays that long.
As said maybe I am reading too much out of 30 minutes + Pogba at the time was a young boy and not the confident world class player he is now. However if I got this right
a- he wouldn't care. We had better players then Juventus at the time who were still rattled by the calciopoli scandal. Still he showed his middle finger at the prospect of being managed by the don of football to go to Juventus and work with some ex player who a year before was managing mighty Siena (although he did win the league the year before)
b- As a person who had moved clubs he knows that nothing is permanent in football. A negative run and his beloved Zidane may end up sacked. There's no guarantee the new manager would want him and we all how fickle Real are. Mou has a more stable job with United
c- That's true
d- If he cared about that then he wouldn't move from France to Manchester wouldn't he? Turin is quite a shit city too.
e- If he cared about that then he wouldnt have moved from SAF's Manchester United to the 2012-2013 Juventus
f- If he doesn't perform at Real (or a new toy comes out) then they will show him the door. Not everyone keeps an excuse of a player for 8 years because he's funny and he's fat like a teddy bear.
Surely if paperwork is being done, it means Real can't do anything about it now?
We do need to get this wrapped up before they sell either or both of James and Morata.
We do need to get this wrapped up before they sell either or both of James and Morata.
Scholes will cost nothing for the simple reason he won't move away from OT. Do you know what happened when Moratti tried to contact his agent?
he ended up speaking to SAF as he had no agent
It's irrelevant, it's not like they need to fund a move.
Ince sold for near the transfer record at the time, using that terrible logic around 70mil
