Paul Pogba | Undergoing Medical | Helping out the Laundry Ladies

[Pexbo]

I've seen pundits saying he is more suited to the #10 role. Personally, I disagree. I think he should be moulded into a #8 running the show in midfield.

He's not a 10 in the Trequartista sense and nor an 8 in the disciplined box to box sense, more of a 10 with the freedom to roam like an 8.

With that said, I don't see Mourinho allowing him to have that role here as he'll need a more structured role without players like Marchisio and Khedira next to him.

 

[ti vu]

There was very little about Schneiderlin til it happened. Weren't Arsenal tipped to get him and we were all crying about it.

Not sure about you, but it's very clear we tried to low ball and Koeman confirmed... Arsenal was more linked with Wanyama of the two. People here cry about everything. I meant Zlatan on a free transfer or offering 80mil included addon for Renato and after Bayern stole him....

 

[RDCR07]

I'm just trying to put a perspective across, why are you focusing on this

criticise the post not the poster;

Im sorry how was I criticizing you with that post?

 

[Pexbo]

criticise the post not the poster;
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That's what he was doing...

 

[JohnnyKills]

On the other hand...we're the "world's biggest club" yet we practically never buy genuine, recognised world stars. Our tradition of favouring youth is great, and noble, but the fact is that we have a mere 3 European Cups; spending big money domestically works out fine for us...if our ambitions are only to dominate domestically, and not on a world or European level.

A club as legendary as United should, ideally, be dominating Finals, not be outplayed or scrape home on penalties. This isn't entitlement speaking either - take away our business acumen, and what we've had is a complacent and parochial club. Woodward may be accused of having 'stars in his eyes' but that attitude is necessary and long overdue; for too long, domestic success was considered enough.

Agree with both these posts to be honest.

The money being touted for Pogba is obscence, but it's about time we signed a player commensurate with our self-appointed status as the 'World's biggest club(TM).'

Until a couple of years ago we rarely spent anything like as much as our rivals. In the 90s we relied on an amazing batch of young players to dominate, allied with incredible bargains like Cantona, Schmeichel, Johnsen and Kanchelskis. The summer of '99, when we had the world at our feet after winning the CL, our only signing was Bosnich on a free transfer.

In the early noughties we finally started spending a fair proportion of the money generated by the club's success, but then came the Glazer takeover and it was back to the penny-pinching. Again we had the chance to build a lasting legacy at the end of the noughties but once again it was frittered away with frugal freakonomics; selling Ronaldo and replacing him with Valencia was little short of negligent.

For more than 20 years we were a global superpower when it came to making money and a third-tier club when spending it. We rarely signed marquee stars and never outmuscled Real or Barca for a player, even though we claimed to be as big a club as them. People say Ferguson could have won more in Europe but, when you look at the money he spent, two Champions Leagues was probably an overachievement.

I'm not sure that someone like Pogba is the answer, just as Di Maria probably wasn't the answer, but at least the attitude has changed now. It's a million times better than the stinginess we had before.

 

[Igor Drefljak]

We're talking about a £100m transfer fee (wages would be additional to this) ... so why are you talking about wages?

But what does it matter? We make enough in sponsorships to do these sort of deals.
Our kit deal alone makes 65m per season more than yours, so we can spend 100m and still have money to strengthen

 

[thegregster]

But what does it matter? We make enough in sponsorships to do these sort of deals.
Our kit deal alone makes 65m per season more than yours, so we can spend 100m and still have money to strengthen

Plus Spurs have to spent £675-750mil to build a stadium. They are building at a time when construction costs and materials prices are through the roof.

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/london-most-expensive-place-in-europe-to-build/5079518.article

 

[GlastonSpur]

You are a blatant WUM who changes shifts goalposts regularly. Atleast people like Dumbstar admit they are on a WUM, but you are actually deluded enough to believe in your wumming.

The post of mine that you've cited, namely "... you've spent the last three summers chasing players that are way beyond your reach, only to end up in last minute panic scrambles as the reality dawns" does NOT translate into "no player from a CL club will ever sign for United this summer", which is what you falsely claimed I've said.

So by falsely representing what I've said it's you who is (a) WUMMING and (b) diverting this thread away from the subject of Pogba. I'm simply responding to your falsehoods, as any poster would be expected to be allowed to do so.

 

[AltiUn]

From Real's mouthpiece.

TLDR; Juventus should lower their asking price for Real because poor Pogba is in love with Zizou.

 

[Sassy Colin]

I still think he will end up at Real Madrid, this is how they conduct their transfers, we all know that.

Hopefully I am wrong, but don't say I didn't warn you.

 

[Silverman]

The fee doesn't matter, nor does wages unless it goes against FFP which we are staying abiding by. We are spending money that we make and have saved.

 

[Theatre of Screams]

Glaston again spending every minute of his sad life on a football forum of a club he doesn't support. Apparently anyway.

Clearly a WUM - just ban the clown.

 

[JJ12]

Ah

Well I stand by it. He'll strenghten our defence from what we had last year.

I totally agree with you for what it's worth. He didn't play at all.

 

[sunama]

Yes we should have won more than 2 European Cup in the last 20 years, but we're not the only team attempting to win it, you know?

Okay, I will agree that making the CL final every year is not realistic. Agreed.
But how do you explain the 7th, 4th, 5th place finishes in the league?
Surely it's not too much expect league challenge every season, especially when we spend £250M in 2 years (more than any other team in the World).

 

[PepsiCola]

I have no problem with the fee at all.

This lad has an insane ceiling. My only worry is Madrid come knocking when he reaches it.

 

[RDCR07]

I have no problem with the fee at all.

This lad has an insane ceiling. My only worry is Madrid come knocking when he reaches it.

The thing with Madrid is if they want a player they want him NOW, like in the same window. Pogba will have a contract with us and they will have to pay big if they want him immediately. Its not in their nature to wait one whole year to pay less. So either he is going to give us a decade or leave in a few years with us recouping most of the money we spent on him.

 

[Member 99369]

I agree, if we win the midfield battle, even Rooney can score if he receives 20 balls per match. Zlatan, Martial, Henrikh or Rashford will all be able to score more too. It's the area where the impact is almost instantaneous.

These constant digs at Rooney are depressing. I'm far from his number one fan, but comments like this make him sound like Emile Heskey.

 

[GlastonSpur]

.... I laugh when he mentions whimpers like Dier and Ali in the same breath as Paul Pogba. ...

Bloody hell. Talk about building up Pogba into some sort of footballing "god". Suddenly Alli, who has shown at least as much Pogba ever did at the same age, is not fit to be mentioned in the same breath.

I fear you're going to be sadly underwhelmed if this transfer to the Prem occurs ... money-snobbery is severely clouding your judgment. A £100m fee does not make a player world class, any more than a £4m fee makes a player "bang average".

 

[JJ12]

I have no problem with the fee at all.

This lad has an insane ceiling. My only worry is Madrid come knocking when he reaches it.

We'll get 3/4 good years out of him and win a few things. Re-establish ourselves and gain a huge sum of cash.

Wouldn't be the end of the world.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

These constant digs at Rooney are depressing. I'm far from his number one fan, but comments like this make him sound like Emile Heskey.

You should get used to them, they're standard fare on the Caf!

 

[M16Red]

Im sorry how was I criticizing you with that post?

That's what he was doing...

"stop trying to compare transfer prices" if you are going to tell me to do something at lest give a reason why you think its not right, so I can put my point to you.

I was trying to use it as reference of how much money this is.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

Bloody hell. Talk about building up Pogba into some sort of footballing "god". Suddenly Alli, who has shown at least as much Pogba ever did at the same age, is not fit to be mentioned in the same breath.

I fear you're going to be sadly underwhelmed if this transfer to the Prem occurs ... money-snobbery is severely clouding your judgment. A £100m fee does not make a player world class, any more than a £4m fee makes a player "bang average".

You've probably answered this question before, but do you think that Alli and Pogba have the same level of talent/the same ceiling?

 

[Igor Drefljak]

I guess, to put things in perspective from another angle:

If Pogba costs 100m, that works out at 133% of our kit deal

Wanyama = 110%
Son = 220%
Saldado = 260%

(Using figures off internet, so may not be exact)

But my point is, that shows their transfers to ours in perspective.

You can mention bargains like Alli etc, but for every good player bought, their is always a bad one around the corner

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

Bloody hell. Talk about building up Pogba into some sort of footballing "god". Suddenly Alli, who has shown at least as much Pogba ever did at the same age, is not fit to be mentioned in the same breath.

I fear you're going to be sadly underwhelmed if this transfer to the Prem occurs ... money-snobbery is severely clouding your judgment. A £100m fee does not make a player world class, any more than a £4m fee makes a player "bang average".

This is the FIFPro 2015 World XI and their current ages in brackets

Neuer (30)
Alves (33), Ramos (30), Thiago Silva (31), Marcelo (28)
Iniesta (32), Modric (30), Pogba (23)
Messi (29), Ronaldo (31), Neymar (24)

With the exception of Neymar, everyone else on that list is at least 5 years older than Pogba and in the attacking six Iniesta is 9 years older than Pogba. He's already been voted as one of the best 11 players in the world by 40,000 other professionals and is the youngest player on that list. Going by an average top player's trajectory, he's probably got another 7 or 8 years as an absolutely world class player and then still three more years of still being one of the best players in whichever league he's in, if not in Europe. For rich teams with Champions League winning ambitions, only the very best players will do and £100m for a projected 8 year period of being world class actually works out at quite an easy £12.5m per year. If you buy Modric at 30, £100m it makes way less sense because you've got way less time to get the value out of him to repay your outlay but for the world's best 23 year old, it's been the going rate since Ronaldo and Bale made their moves.

As for whether or not a club should pay that much money, if you look at the amortised cost, £12.5m + wages is easily affordable for a club who turnover almost half a billion pounds per year. Heck even £100m up front isn't even too much of a stretch for a club making that much money and then you've got Pogba with only wages to pay from then on. Do clubs have too much money to spend? Well there's millions and millions of us who shell out hundreds and hundreds of pounds each year to watch sport on TV and local fans who spend millions and millions on matchday tickets and food and VIP boxes over the course of a season. Its a professional sport, we pay them money to watch their sport, its not as if they rigged LIBOR or ran a ponzi scheme to make their money. If you want good honest local sport, go to your local park on a weekend but this is pro sport and its going to make money as long as its entertaining.

 

[Enigma_87]

I've seen pundits saying he is more suited to the #10 role. Personally, I disagree. I think he should be moulded into a #8 running the show in midfield.

I think it's not a bad option as #10. He struggled initially at Juve in that #10 last season but grew into it.

Personally I'd have him there with a box to box/anchor and a playmaker with a good work rate behind him.

 

[Gasolin]

These constant digs at Rooney are depressing. I'm far from his number one fan, but comments like this make him sound like Emile Heskey.

I wasn't even saying that in the sense that Rooney is past his prime and wrong, just that despite his last year stats, Rooney would score plenty in such a setup. Any forward would.

 

[Theatre of Screams]

Okay, I will agree that making the CL final every year is not realistic. Agreed.
But how do you explain the 7th, 4th, 5th place finishes in the league?
Surely it's not too much expect league challenge every season, especially when we spend £250M in 2 years (more than any other team in the World).

I agree, the performances have not been acceptable since Fergie left. Moyes and van Gaal were dreadful but the players also need to take responsibility. I think a lot of them have taken the departure of Fergie and the massively high standards he demanded as maybe an opportunity to take their foot off the gas. It's an easy excuse to hide behind - but the players are just as culpable as Moyes and van Gaal, if not more.

The good news is someone like Mourinho has the strength of personality to not put up with this shite.

 

[devilish]

Mou love to have 2 deep lying midfielders one whose slightly more defensive then the other. Schneiderlin and Matuidi will probably cover that more defensive role. Pogba, Carrick and Bastian will cover the more advanced role. Mkhitaryan will be our Right forward, Rooney will be our no 10 and Martial will be our left side forward. Ibra will be our striker.

 

[JaffyJoe]

Really hoping that this deal doesn't go through. Pogo is the most overrated player on the planet. He's worth about half the money and worst of all he was already on our books.
Big fan of his, bags of talent but we are just becoming a club that throws money around. It's making me sick. There's quality all over Europe in midfield absolutely no need to spend do much on one player who isn't even a goal scorer.


The only players i would ever spend 100 million Euros on are a Ronaldo, Messi or Neymar.

 

[Raoul]

Really hoping that this deal doesn't go through. Pogo is the most overrated player on the planet. He's worth about half the money and worst of all he was already on our books.
Big fan of his, bags of talent but we are just becoming a club that throws money around. It's making me sick. There's quality all over Europe in midfield absolutely no need to spend do much on one player who isn't even a goal scorer.


The only players i would ever spend 100 million Euros on are a Ronaldo, Messi or Neymar.

Who would you prefer over Pogba ?

 

[Theatre of Screams]

Really hoping that this deal doesn't go through. Pogo is the most overrated player on the planet. He's worth about half the money and worst of all he was already on our books.
Big fan of his, bags of talent but we are just becoming a club that throws money around. It's making me sick. There's quality all over Europe in midfield absolutely no need to spend do much on one player who isn't even a goal scorer.


The only players i would ever spend 100 million Euros on are a Ronaldo, Messi or Neymar.

Huh?

 

[Raoul]

Mou love to have 2 deep lying midfielders one whose slightly more defensive then the other. Schneiderlin and Matuidi will probably cover that more defensive role. Pogba, Carrick and Bastian will cover the more advanced role. Mkhitaryan will be our Right forward, Rooney will be our no 10 and Martial will be our left side forward. Ibra will be our striker.

Sounds about right. Also, TFM will develop into that role as well over time.

 

[devilish]

Sounds about right. Also, TFM will develop into that role as well over time.

I think that TFM will take Matuidi role and Periera will take Rooney's role

 

[Clas Sified]

Really hoping that this deal doesn't go through. Pogo is the most overrated player on the planet. He's worth about half the money and worst of all he was already on our books.
Big fan of his, bags of talent but we are just becoming a club that throws money around. It's making me sick. There's quality all over Europe in midfield absolutely no need to spend do much on one player who isn't even a goal scorer.


The only players i would ever spend 100 million Euros on are a Ronaldo, Messi or Neymar.

Why do people keep repeating this? This isn't aimed solely at you, but just in general. Surely if the club made a mistake, it's best we rectify it as soon as possible?

I too don't really like spending 100 million on one player, but if it's a player the manager deems as crucial and we can afford it, then why not?

Consider it a very expensive 4 year loan

 

[AbusementPark]

The post of mine that you've cited, namely "... you've spent the last three summers chasing players that are way beyond your reach, only to end up in last minute panic scrambles as the reality dawns" does NOT translate into "no player from a CL club will ever sign for United this summer", which is what you falsely claimed I've said.

So by falsely representing what I've said it's you who is (a) WUMMING and (b) diverting this thread away from the subject of Pogba. I'm simply responding to your falsehoods, as any poster would be expected to be allowed to do so.

Have to agree that we were chasing players way beyond our reach and who where never gonna sign for us. It feels a bit different now with Mourinho in charge and I believe we will sign Pogba. The transfer needs wrapped up quickly though if it drags on into the summer then we could be left scrambling for a panic buy. Set Pogba a deadline of 2 weeks from Monday - give him a week off to relax and not think about football. Then the second week to decide and get everything done.

Plus I don't fancy refreshing this thread 200 times a day for the next 6 weeks.

 

[Pexbo]

Really hoping that this deal doesn't go through. Pogo is the most overrated player on the planet. He's worth about half the money and worst of all he was already on our books.
Big fan of his, bags of talent but we are just becoming a club that throws money around. It's making me sick. There's quality all over Europe in midfield absolutely no need to spend do much on one player who isn't even a goal scorer.


The only players i would ever spend 100 million Euros on are a Ronaldo, Messi or Neymar.

Mid table mentality I'm afraid.

 

[Judas]

How have we not signed him yet.

 

[Riz]

Really hoping that this deal doesn't go through. Pogo is the most overrated player on the planet. He's worth about half the money and worst of all he was already on our books.
Big fan of his, bags of talent but we are just becoming a club that throws money around. It's making me sick. There's quality all over Europe in midfield absolutely no need to spend do much on one player who isn't even a goal scorer.


The only players i would ever spend 100 million Euros on are a Ronaldo, Messi or Neymar.

Out of interest who would you prefer to spend the money on?

 

[JaffyJoe]

Huh?

He's clearly talented . But he is overrated. His play doesn't justify the price tag and i doubt you will ever recoup that money in terms of one the pitch performance.

 

[AndyJ1985]

He's clearly talented . But he is overrated. His play doesn't justify the price tag and i doubt you will ever recoup that money in terms of one the pitch performance.

You're looking at it from the perspective of an accountant, not a fan of football. I can't understand this way of thinking. If you thought he was a bad player then fine, I could understand you not wanting him. But to acknowledge he has bags of talent but then really hope we don't sign him because he's £50m over your valuation is ridiculous.