What world do you live in?
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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What world do you live in?
No lots of players have played hard ball to get a better deal. Rio and Keane spring to mind. They looked for too dollar at the time.
But come on he wants more than £350k a week!!!!! He thinks he’s worth twice what we pay Bruno.
When Keane held out for top dollar he was the best midfielder in the league in the most dominant Utd them there has probably ever been.
We don’t even know how to fit Pogba into the team and his agent( who Pogba employs) disrespects the club whenever he gets the chance.
Players should try to get to get the maximum they are worth. Pogba just ain’t worth £400k a week.
Seriously?
Apologies if this comes across as rude but that would suggest a rather immature attitude on your part.
But why? Both parties entered into a contract for a set amount of years. There is no obligation for either party to enter into a new contract.
I'm not anywhere as invested as others on Pogba's future either way but some of these reactions are so over the top.
I don't doubt they exist on this forum and throughout our fanbase, but they are very much the minority.
Why is it okay to boo at the Glazer's but not at Pogba. Maybe I'm overthinking things but this is a 90 million asset we have invested in that we are losing on a free.
Ole had to put up with it himself. Fans of every club do these things, If they feel it is hurting their club in anyway they will let it be known and do not care about who they hurt.
It's life , accept it.
From all accounts it does look like Pogba is very well liked by his team mates. Plus since we are prepared to make him our highest paid player, it does seem like our club staff think very highly of him.
To have all these attacking talent without the creativity of Pogba just feels wrong. I am hoping he signs the contract.
This is the only question that we should be asking ourselves, and if I was answering honestly, I'd have to say no, at least not on what he's shown us over the last 5 years. He's just too inconsistent a player to be relied on.
If I was head of the transfer committee - not just a lowly fan with a sheep fetish - I'd break my back to convince AC Milan to trade him for Kessie.
To get an advantage on the pitch for the team I support I am not against intimidating by booing opposition players. If Pogba played against United of course fans would be in their rights. When you used the term "human being" that's where I had a conflicting opinion to your post.
I find a lot of the criticism of Pogba gets to be weirdly personal to and to be quite frank a lot of it makes me feel uneasy - really do not like the vibe it gives off.
I feel like some expected him to come here and win games on his own, carrying the team to major trophies, yet that very rarely happens in modern football. Even Messi and Ronaldo cant do that in average teams, which we have been for much of his time here.
can't see the point in keeping him given our squad make-up and how Ole likes to set up.
So what? If you haven't noticed our revenue has increased almost 6-8 times more than what we had when Rio and Keane were negotiating contract. Naturally our players who are the biggest asset of our football club, will earn a larger share of that revenue.
Don't want to get into the discussion of what he is worth in terms of salary as this is something our club financial team will decide and if they think he is worth 400k then so be it.
Incredible that it has been 88 pages to admit the simple truths:
1. Pogba is not delivering nearly enough for what he costs (and no - fecking t-shirts do not pay for it. Get real). Actually his performance and consistency is unacceptable for any price. He performs as occasional good sub, at best
2. He should have been sold last year when there were two years left and somebody maybe would have bought him. Now he is just running down the clock to go for free
3. Yes, his fecking agent is embarrassing United and as a big club we should not be allowoing it because we should actually care about things like that. There are players much larger than Pogba who dont do this to their clubs
1. Pogba is not delivering nearly enough for what he costs (and no - fecking t-shirts do not pay for it. Get real). Actually his performance and consistency is unacceptable for any price. He performs as occasional good sub, at best
2. He should have been sold last year when there were two years left and somebody maybe would have bought him. Now he is just running down the clock to go for free
3. Yes, his fecking agent is embarrassing United and as a big club we should not be allowoing it because we should actually care about things like that. There are players much larger than Pogba who dont do this to their clubs
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Pogba staying probably means Solskjaer will try Bruno-Pogba-Fred/Mctominay again. Listening to Romano`s latest news a new midfielder is unlikely if Pogba stays. This is a horrible decision imo. Bruno and Pogba together in a midfield trio with Fred or Mctominay is way to unbalanced. Knowing how risk averse Solskjaer is he probably will abandoned this after a few games, and stick with Mcfred-Bruno again and put Pogba out left.
Imo just sell him and build a functional midfield. He hasn`t worked in our system for 5 years now. Why will it suddenly work this time ? Esp with Bruno in the team. Pogba is best as a 10 or an 8 with two solid defensive midfielders next to him.
Imo just sell him and build a functional midfield. He hasn`t worked in our system for 5 years now. Why will it suddenly work this time ? Esp with Bruno in the team. Pogba is best as a 10 or an 8 with two solid defensive midfielders next to him.
Think thats the conundrum we're all struggling with, he seems to fit best on the left forward spot rotating with Marcus.
As someone just said, he is not a double pivot player at all without a Ndidi or Rice next to him.
Somehow he seems to need periods of rest during the season , either because of easily injured or to keep his focus up.
The way he can do that is to rotate with Marcus (typically he plays against lesser sides/low blocks while Marcus plays when possesion is more evenly matched so he can use his speed more).
And in that regards I think he could very well help us towards challenging.
But neither the club ,nor him, want him to be a rotating player for those kind of wages he's looking at. Then he should be the absolute starter in that position and he simply wont because of Marcus and what he can bring.
I’d suggest that the new realities of Covid economics haven’t struck home in some quarters. Or maybe there’s a bit of desperation in the Pogba/Raiola world: big question is; how badly do PSG want him? From a (admittedly) great distance, I sense insecurity in PP, and a huge need for approval. I heard he got some rebukes in the French camp, for neglect of defensive duties, including from Varane? My guess is - he wants to be loved at OT. Agent (thinking of his pocket) keeps telling him he is under appreciated and needs to leave.
We had few supporters shouting at him at the end of the 2018 season in which he was our best player. That was defended here as well. Most players had their family on the pitch at that time and Pogba was getting verbally assaulted by this heckler. I have never seen this kind of treatment of any United player in 18 years that I have watched United.
Studs at ball height, please.
worse than the booing off Nani got in one of his last games for us? I’d never seen that before.
Let's just forget the price tag that Pogba has on his head, he has given some incredible performances over the years, on his day he is a rolls Royce of a player, but then problem is his inconsistencies. The interesting thing here would be, would he get better this season now that we have Sancho and Varane in our team and the team has been together for quite sometime under Ole. To be honest, I don't know how he will play this season, part of me wants him to succeed and just grow and become the player we all wanted him to be but then there is this other feeling in my head which says it's better to sell him now and get a player who actually fits in our system and plays consistently. Someone maybe not as flashy or world class as Pogba (on his day), but someone who is willing to work hard and play well consistently.
Think PSG may wait it out a year and just nab him on a free. Might work out better for Raiola/Pogba too with an increased signing bonus.
His preference is Barca, Real or Juve and yet he thinks he will get more money at those three broke clubs than here...
Honestly, someone needs to tell Pogba that he has a really bad agent, Raiola should be telling him, "United have all the money right now, you would be better off taking that contract they've offered before they decide you're not worth the hassle and the fans turn on you".
Will end like Donnarumma, accepted a lower wage at Psg instead the superior offer by Ac Milan
Because, like Pogba, already decided to leave yrs ago
Maybe at some point he could say I stay or I will sign, but it’s only a wind up and to take time
Because, like Pogba, already decided to leave yrs ago
Maybe at some point he could say I stay or I will sign, but it’s only a wind up and to take time
I'd love it if he went to Barca.
Him and Messi on astronomical wages
Him and Messi on astronomical wages
His preference is Barca, Real or Juve and yet he thinks he will get more money at those three broke clubs than here...
Honestly, someone needs to tell Pogba that he has a really bad agent, Raiola should be telling him, "United have all the money right now, you would be better off taking that contract they've offered before they decide you're not worth the hassle and the fans turn on you".
Think he might not have the same wage demands there since its his long time dream, and they could also probably give him more as a free agent as Real did with Alaba. In Italy you have the tax rules making it easier as well.
Why are people taking an article by Miguel Delaney seriously? You could talk to someone at the local shop who’d know more than him - he reads what others say and just regurgitates it. He’s the worst journalist around for us and in a world containing Mark Ogden that’s saying something.
To some extent managing Pogba is like managing Gerrard.
On the face of it Pogba and Gerrard are like chalk and cheese, Pogba is all silk and smoothness, Gerrard blood and thunder. However, they are both centre midfielders who are not really centre midfielders.
I remember Benitez playing Gerrard on the wing and then putting Xabi Alonso and Mascherano behind him, because he did not trust Gerrard positionally in a midfield two. England managers did the same thing. It was, on the face of it, a weird one. Gerrard's long passing, his goal threat arriving late from midfield, his commitment and work rate should have made him a brilliant box-to-box midfielder . However, Gerrard's positional sense and his tendency to go chasing the game would often leave huge gaps in midfield...
...reminding you of Pogba yet?
Pogba is a brilliant player. He is strong, he works hard (don't believe me check his ball recovery and duel stats), he passes the ball beautifully, he can hit a shot from distance as good as anyone. Yet his sense for playing in the centre of midfield lacks something, just like Gerrard. If anything the issue is that both want to do too much. They want to join the attack, they want to drive the team forward, they want to chase down (how many times has Pogba shown himself to be a defensive liability running down a blind alley and giving away a penalty).
Ultimately you have to either compensate for that in Pogba, like Benitez did for Gerrard with Xabi and Mascherano, you have to be so dominant that it really doesn't matter what flaws exist in Pogba's game, or you have to decide to move him on.
Taking all the emotion out of it: 'He's not good enough!' 'He's Jogba' 'His agent is a $h!t' Man Utd's issue with Pogba has been, and will always be, systemic. We bought Pogba without a clear idea of what we wanted to use him for besides marketing. We have subsequently tried to shoehorn him into a range of tactical set ups and bought a number of other players that just don't work with him.
Its not an excuse. Its just a clear eyed, unemotional look at where things are.
On the face of it Pogba and Gerrard are like chalk and cheese, Pogba is all silk and smoothness, Gerrard blood and thunder. However, they are both centre midfielders who are not really centre midfielders.
I remember Benitez playing Gerrard on the wing and then putting Xabi Alonso and Mascherano behind him, because he did not trust Gerrard positionally in a midfield two. England managers did the same thing. It was, on the face of it, a weird one. Gerrard's long passing, his goal threat arriving late from midfield, his commitment and work rate should have made him a brilliant box-to-box midfielder . However, Gerrard's positional sense and his tendency to go chasing the game would often leave huge gaps in midfield...
...reminding you of Pogba yet?
Pogba is a brilliant player. He is strong, he works hard (don't believe me check his ball recovery and duel stats), he passes the ball beautifully, he can hit a shot from distance as good as anyone. Yet his sense for playing in the centre of midfield lacks something, just like Gerrard. If anything the issue is that both want to do too much. They want to join the attack, they want to drive the team forward, they want to chase down (how many times has Pogba shown himself to be a defensive liability running down a blind alley and giving away a penalty).
Ultimately you have to either compensate for that in Pogba, like Benitez did for Gerrard with Xabi and Mascherano, you have to be so dominant that it really doesn't matter what flaws exist in Pogba's game, or you have to decide to move him on.
Taking all the emotion out of it: 'He's not good enough!' 'He's Jogba' 'His agent is a $h!t' Man Utd's issue with Pogba has been, and will always be, systemic. We bought Pogba without a clear idea of what we wanted to use him for besides marketing. We have subsequently tried to shoehorn him into a range of tactical set ups and bought a number of other players that just don't work with him.
Its not an excuse. Its just a clear eyed, unemotional look at where things are.
Pogba being inconsistent is lazy analysis…
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Jesus Christ, I tried to engage in a civil conversation with you when we both disagree and you had to give it a "My point clearly went over your head"? Honestly, I said nothing incendiary whatsoever.
Anyway, I hope Pogba leaves. A lynchpin in the squad who is not dependable and regularly plays below par has a negative effect on the overall squad. My point clearly went over your head.
I take it that should read 'agent' and not 'manager'?
Pogba be inconsistent is lazy analysis…
Bollox. This just proves stats can be manipulated to make whatever point fits your narrative
fecking Delaney, couldn't help himself with that last paragraph... Twat.
When he’s on it, he produces double the numbers he does when he’s off it, his best games for us are so so so good that his stats are inflated. This also doesn’t factor in his defensive contributions. Basically just use the eye test to see if he’s been inconsistent or not.Pogba be inconsistent is lazy analysis…
I haven’t manipulated them. These are stats that reflect what happened those seasons. Purposely posted his first three seasons. The fourth he was out injured and last year he was consistent too.
Stats
1: a branch of mathematics dealing with the collection, analysis, interpretation, and presentation of masses of numerical data
2: a collection of quantitative data
The problem people seem to have is that this is a team sport. If the team is inconsistent, expecting one player to change it all is pointless.
I wasn't taking aim at you.
No, I like the guy but if you think these stats prove Pogba isn't inconsistent you're sadly mistaken.
I don't think you necessarily have to hate Pogba to disagree with those stats. I don't mind him, but I believe my eyes, and my eyes have seen a very inconsistent performer who has a very high ceiling but rarely reaches it. Three managers have failed to make him perform to such a consistently high level that it is no longer scrutinized after every game.
Personally, I'd rather cut my losses and see if someone else in his place could yield better results than the past few seasons since he signed. I respect the differing opinion though because it's not a clear cut discussion by any means and there's undoubtedly a quality player in there somewhere. It just hasn't worked out for us so far
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