Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

Bebestation said:
Why is it okay to boo at the Glazer's but not at Pogba. Maybe I'm overthinking things but this is a 90 million asset we have invested in that we are losing on a free.
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Without meaning to be rude, I'm not sure that's the problem here...

If a player tries his best, then why would you ever boo a player?

As for losing an asset, I believe that the clubs who have been interested have reportedly been Real Madrid, Juventus and PSG.

Over the lasy several years, they have all been able to offer him more of a chance to win trophies. He would like to win trophies. We won't sell him on the cheap, so have effectively stopped him from moving. Real Madrid and Juventus don't want to spend that much. The only way he can leave is by running down his contract.

There is a reason so many players are doing this. Because the clubs have all the power. Take the United element out of it and it seems like a sensible approach from his side to be honest and booing him would seem absolutely ridiculous to me.

NewGlory said:
Incredible that it has been 88 pages to admit the simple truths:

1. Pogba is not delivering nearly enough for what he costs (and no - fecking t-shirts do not pay for it. Get real). Actually his performance and consistency is unacceptable for any price. He performs as occasional good sub, at best

2. He should have been sold last year when there were two years left and somebody maybe would have bought him. Now he is just running down the clock to go for free

3. Yes, his fecking manager is embarassing United and as a big club we should not be allowoing it because we should actually care about things like that. There are players much larger than Pogba who dont do this to their clubs
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None of those are truths, they're opinions which people agree and disagree over. Particularly 1 and 2, are both wrong imo.
 
Random Task said:
Pogba is in a position where he can put to bed any suggestions questioning his commitment to the club by a) signing a new contract and/or b) releasing a statement confirming his desire to play for our club. Not at any point has he done either of those things.






What's stopping Pogba from following Kessie's example? Has any of his defenders stopped to consider for a moment that, maybe, just maybe, he is not committed to the club and is happy to take us for a ride?
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About 350k a week more than Kessie if he let’s the club stew a while…
 
Ali Dia said:
About 350k a week more than Kessie if he let’s the club stew a while…
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I wouldn't hold it against him if all this is about an improved contract. It's literally the way of the modern game to demand a salary befitting your stature within the game.

But he hasn't signed yet...
 
Bebestation said:
I dont mean to be rude but like if this guys goes doesn't sign another contract and plans to go on a free a second time at United- surely we cant let him feel comfortable as a human being anymore.

He is being extremely selfish. We are a a team followed by the biggest number of fans - we should be able to make a player feel intimidated.

A 90 million pound player who we bought but also helped grow in the first place is planning to leave us on a free. That is not right. Sign a contract and leave.
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So many shit posts in this thread but this one takes the cake. Shades of what PSG’s chief Al-Khelaïfi said about Mbappe.

You want to make your own player not feel comfortable as a human being? Wow! Absolutely disturbing.:wenger::wenger:
 
BlackBen said:
Has any of his detractors stopped to consider for a moment that maybe, just maybe he doesn’t feel loved by said “fans” who expect him to commit to them but can’t commit to him?
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Boo fecking hoo, poor Paul. I hope when he does go, he takes his supporters with him. I remember when supporters had the best interest of the club first over a player, modern fans seem to support individuals now than there team. Strange times, the sympathy for this fraud is ridiculous. He's been so disrespectful and deserves every bit of criticism.
 
MadMike said:
Have you ever stopped to consider that he is a professional, and as such his relationship is with the club and not with the fans?

Few Real Madrid players seem to have a problem with their shitty, entitled fans so long as they are paid top dollar and are winning things. Pogba is no different.
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It was a bit tongue in cheek. But at the same time players are humans first before professionals and nobody will like to be at a place where they’re not loved .

We have people here suggesting to make him uncomfortable as a human being by intimidating him ffs. It’s fine if people don’t take to him as a player and what him gone but suggesting going to such lengths is just sickening.
 
Random Task said:
I wouldn't hold it against him if all this is about an improved contract. It's literally the way of the modern game to demand a salary befitting your stature within the game.

But he hasn't signed yet...
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I don’t mind if he goes or stays at this point but I do think on the balance of things the team is moving on and we will probably end up with another Rooney/DDG/Sanchez type contract situation in a year so we should sell if the offer is good. Pogba should be at the peak of his powers now though and there is a chance that once any deal is signed he goes balls to the wall and mino backs right off. If he does we still have a cracking player on our hands. It’s a risk though.
 
Ødegaard said:
Because it doesn't fit yours?
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I don't care either way tbh.

I think he is a good player and I can imagine him being a great lad to have around the dressing room.

Do you really need to be told how team stats can buff a players rating? Just watch the guy, like others, because of covid I've watched every prem game last year. I have also held a season ticket for the last 10 years so I'd rather judge a player I have watched often with my own eyes.

I would love to keep him a find the perfect role for him but sometimes you just have to admit defeat and say he just doesn't fit for us.

No drama, just an average observation
 
Random Task said:
Pogba is in a position where he can put to bed any suggestions questioning his commitment to the club by a) signing a new contract and/or b) releasing a statement confirming his desire to play for our club. Not at any point has he done either of those things.






What's stopping Pogba from following Kessie's example? Has any of his defenders stopped to consider for a moment that, maybe, just maybe, he is not committed to the club and is happy to take us for a ride?
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Maybe he wanted/wants the oppurtunity to win big trophies but hasn't been able to leave? How is he taking us for a ride in that situation?

He's being silent (appreciate his agent not so much) and has repeatedly said how much he enjoys playing here. I'm a United fan not a Pogba fan but surely people can appreciate that we've not challenged for the big trophies in almost a decade and he has the oppurtunity to join clubs that do... If he signs, he's not going anywhere else.

Maybe it's possible he enjoys playing here but would also like to win multiple trophies? Isn't it as simple as that? What's there to stop and consider?

Look at Zaha and Kane as other examples who would like to leave but won't be able to until it's possibly too late.
 
Now that Rashford is confirmed out with surgery until late October, we will really really need him. Few days ago I was sure PSG will buy him, now I don’t think so anymore. They probably got the clue that he’s using them to get a better terms contract from us and he’ll eventually sign with United. I can see United pushing to get him sign now
 
RedDevilUnited369 said:
Pogba being inconsistent is lazy analysis…

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Has anybody recorded any data for the last 2 seasons, or are the 17/18 season stats the most recent we have?

But I appreciate the effort somebody took to prove his point (unless it's some kind of an 2 years old post, which I doubt).
 
8thWonder said:
Maybe he wanted/wants the oppurtunity to win big trophies but hasn't been able to leave? How is he taking us for a ride in that situation?

He's being silent (appreciate his agent not so much) and has repeatedly said how much he enjoys playing here. I'm a United fan not a Pogba fan but surely people can appreciate that we've not challenged for the big trophies in almost a decade and he has the oppurtunity to join clubs that do... If he signs, he's not going anywhere else.

Maybe it's possible he enjoys playing here but would also like to win multiple trophies? Isn't it as simple as that? What's there to stop and consider?

Look at Zaha and Kane as other examples who would like to leave but won't be able to until it's possibly too late.
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If that's what he wants then he should make it clear to tell the club he won't renew no matter what and tell his own agent not demanding big agent fees because it will stop this summer move.
 
Borys said:
Has anybody recorded any data for the last 2 seasons, or are the 17/18 season stats the most recent we have?

But I appreciate the effort somebody took to prove his point (unless it's some kind of an 2 years old post, which I doubt).
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He certainly hasn't been inconsistent the past two seasons though.

He has been injured for large amounts of time in those.

Of course people irrationality hate on him and make conspiracies based on that as well.
 
I think Pogba will sign and I don't think it was about money per se.

My reasoning for this is quite simple. I think Pogba thought he would ould have a few more medals/trophies during his return to UTD. This hasn't transpired and I think most of that has been down to the club post SAF. This will be his last big contract and what he achieved before rejoining us would put his last few years in the "should have done better" territory.

The money issue for me is a no go simply due to his previous behaviour. If I recall correctly under SAF we offered him more money than what Juve gave him. Yet he went to get more playing time.

I think our signings so far and the fact that Paul has returned now from holiday will see pen put to paper sooner rather than later.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
If that's what he wants then he should make it clear to tell the club he won't renew no matter what and tell his own agent not demanding big agent fees because it will stop this summer move.
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Why would he burn his bridges like that? And I'm sure it's more then just agent fees holding this up, psg also need to sell first in order to buy. He and the club are being professional, and not acting on emotion like the fans.
 
Just a point in wages. Some people saying likes of Liverpool won't pay 400k a week for Pogba.

Now I don't believe he would go to Liverpool but is a free Pogba at 400k cheaper/more expensive than say a player like VVD on 200k and the massive fee?
 
Green_Red said:
His preference is Barca, Real or Juve and yet he thinks he will get more money at those three broke clubs than here... :lol: :wenger:

Honestly, someone needs to tell Pogba that he has a really bad agent, Raiola should be telling him, "United have all the money right now, you would be better off taking that contract they've offered before they decide you're not worth the hassle and the fans turn on you".
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Or maybe it a shite source that's spouting garbage and should be seen as that...
Just maybe.
 
laughtersassassin said:
He certainly hasn't been inconsistent the past two seasons though.

He has been injured for large amounts of time in those.

Of course people irrationality hate on him and make conspiracies based on that as well.
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Well I'm not going to argue about inconsistency, it doesn't seem to concern him as much as for example Bruno.
Many people confuse being inconsistent with having average performance.
 
Roane said:
Just a point in wages. Some people saying likes of Liverpool won't pay 400k a week for Pogba.

Now I don't believe he would go to Liverpool but is a free Pogba at 400k cheaper/more expensive than say a player like VVD on 200k and the massive fee?
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It’s the precedent though, if Pogba is on 400k a week why shouldn’t Salah be etc?
 
Random Task said:
Pogba is in a position where he can put to bed any suggestions questioning his commitment to the club by a) signing a new contract and/or b) releasing a statement confirming his desire to play for our club. Not at any point has he done either of those things.






What's stopping Pogba from following Kessie's example? Has any of his defenders stopped to consider for a moment that, maybe, just maybe, he is not committed to the club and is happy to take us for a ride?
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For all the shite he gets from fans, I don't blame him for not coming out and saying something like this.
You can believe he is trying to take us for a ride.
I'll believe he came and tried, it didn't work out and he is leaving, or...he will renew and there was no need for him to say anything as the extension speaks for itself.

Just saw he is on the promotional stuff for the 21/22 kit. Again, seems like he will be staying. Just a case of if he will renew or leave on a free.
 
Also, where is all the gospeled 400k salary a week coming from? The same shite sources that says he is on his way to PSG?
Also, can we confirm that he's current salary is 290k per week and not the 350k I seem to be seeing pop up every now and then on here, unless I stand to be correct, in which case, I need to learn to Google better.
 
I'm just indifferent to the whole thing now...I think he's had an underwhelming 5 years for someone frequently labelled as "world class" but he's still a very good player, exceptional at his best.

If he signs a new deal here, even at an inflated salary (that I don't think he deserves), great... we're a better squad with him here and it's not as if we don't burn money elsewhere in the squad.

If he wants to leave, fine, we've survived losing much better players before and we're starting to look like a team on the up...then hopefully we'd replace him with another good player.

The only concern is the likelihood of frequent disruptive stories throughout the season if he wants to run the contract down...it would be nice to get some clarification, so hopefully we can move on either way.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Why would he burn his bridges like that? And I'm sure it's more then just agent fees holding this up, psg also need to sell first in order to buy. He and the club are being professional, and not acting on emotion like the fans.
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Take a look at Varane's situation at Real Madrid. When a player knows what he wants and makes up his mind then it won't be a saga or circus.
 
Berbasbullet said:
It’s the precedent though, if Pogba is on 400k a week why shouldn’t Salah be etc?
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I get that and am not suggesting it should happen even.

Just curious if it's a lot cheaper/same/ more expensive.

Should have just worked it out but being lazy
 
Just for those people that are saying why is so and so back from holiday and Pogba isn't:
A list of our players at the euros and total mins played:

Rashford 84 mins
Sancho 97 mins
De Gea 0 mins
Lindelof 390 mins
Bruno 206 mins
Pogba 376 mins
Maguire 510 mins
Shaw 575 mins

So although Pogba went out a day after Bruno he ended up playing around 2 games more. He also played more than Sancho and Rashford combined and they reached the final.

Only Lindelof Maguire and Shaw played as many (or more) mins than Pogba and they also aren't back from their holidays. I don't see Lindelof (who played a very similar amount of mins to Pogba) for example getting the same bollocks as to why he isn't back from holiday yet. I assume since they both played the same amount of mins they'll both be back on Monday.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if he's sold or if he stays, just pointing out the clear agenda against Pogba and how everything he does is micro analysed compared to others in our squad.
 
the_cliff said:
Just for those people that are saying why is so and so back from holiday and Pogba isn't:
A list of our players at the euros and total mins played:

Rashford 84 mins
Sancho 97 mins
De Gea 0 mins
Lindelof 390 mins
Bruno 206 mins
Pogba 376 mins
Maguire 510 mins
Shaw 575 mins

So although Pogba went out a day after Bruno he ended up playing around 2 games more. He also played more than Sancho and Rashford combined and they reached the final.

Only Lindelof Maguire and Shaw played as many (or more) mins than Pogba and they also aren't back from their holidays. I don't see Lindelof (who played a very similar amount of mins to Pogba) for example getting the same bollocks as to why he isn't back from holiday yet. I assume since they both played the same amount of mins they'll both be back on Monday.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if he's sold or if he stays, just pointing out the clear agenda against Pogba and how everything he does is micro analysed compared to others in our squad.
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It seems to have been confirmed by Luckhurst that he returned yesterday. But yeah.
 
The lad is 29 and whatever he does next will be the last big contract of his career. I have no issue with him wanting to go to Madrid or Juventus but do it this summer and give the club some respect and allow them to recoup a fee for you. He's given Utd what 5 years in the prime of his career. Can't blame him wanting the move.

Guarantee you this now. If pogba isnt in a madrid shirt by the end of next summers transfer window Riaola is getting fired as his agent. Big problem for Riaola as Perez hates him and wants nothing to do with him. I also think both Riaola and Pogba will be in for a suprise when they negotiate a free transfer to madrid next summer and Perez doesnt go all out financially. Basically Pogba you want Madrid more than Madrid want you. Therefore we have you over a barrell.
 
SirAnderson said:
For all the shite he gets from fans, I don't blame him for not coming out and saying something like this.
You can believe he is trying to take us for a ride.
I'll believe he came and tried, it didn't work out and he is leaving, or...he will renew and there was no need for him to say anything as the extension speaks for itself.

Just saw he is on the promotional stuff for the 21/22 kit. Again, seems like he will be staying. Just a case of if he will renew or leave on a free.
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Note the "maybe" part in that post. I wasn't making a statement one way or the other because, as I've said already, we just don't know all the facts. Partly because Pogba is reluctant to speak out on the issue, but mainly because we cannot trust a word Raiola says or the media for the that matter. As fans, we're pretty much in the dark, forced into a conclusion that may or may not be truth.

The truth is, If he signs a new contract then all this will be forgotten in an instant. His reasons for signing won't make any difference either; whether he was holding out for an improved contract, pressuring the club into showing ambition by making big signings or he simply wanted to keep his options open right up to the close of the transfer window. None of it will matter. Just so long as he signs, proving his dedication to the club.

But you have to admit, if he leaves on a free next season, then he would have stabbed the club in the back and be fully deserving of ridicule.
 
pratyush_utd said:
We had few supporters shouting at him at the end of the 2018 season in which he was our best player. That was defended here as well. Most players had their family on the pitch at that time and Pogba was getting verbally assaulted by this heckler. I have never seen this kind of treatment of any United player in 18 years that I have watched United.
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Completely agree. Something stinks about it imo but I think a lot of it comes from ABU fans and the media.
 
Remind me if I'm wrong, but he signed a 5 year deal with an option to extend for an additional year. Assuming that option is he's and not the clubs? Either way, I would think the best solution is to exercise that additional year, that way if things still don't work out this season, he will be on his final year with us again and then we can still get a fee for him, rather than giving him a big contract for another 5 years and he is priced out of a move, if that's what he wants still.
 
izzydiggler said:
I'm just indifferent to the whole thing now...I think he's had an underwhelming 5 years for someone frequently labelled as "world class" but he's still a very good player, exceptional at his best.

If he signs a new deal here, even at an inflated salary (that I don't think he deserves), great... we're a better squad with him here and it's not as if we don't burn money elsewhere in the squad.

If he wants to leave, fine, we've survived losing much better players before and we're starting to look like a team on the up...then hopefully we'd replace him with another good player.

The only concern is the likelihood of frequent disruptive stories throughout the season if he wants to run the contract down...it would be nice to get some clarification, so hopefully we can move on either way.
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Not sure how I feel about a reasonable take in this thread not influenced by whether people like the person rather than the player..
 
SirAnderson said:
Remind me if I'm wrong, but he signed a 5 year deal with an option to extend for an additional year. Assuming that option is he's and not the clubs? Either way, I would think the best solution is to exercise that additional year, that way if things still don't work out this season, he will be on his final year with us again and then we can still get a fee for him, rather than giving him a big contract for another 5 years and he is priced out of a move, if that's what he wants still.
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We exercised that additional option which keeps him here till next year.
 
SirAnderson said:
Remind me if I'm wrong, but he signed a 5 year deal with an option to extend for an additional year. Assuming that option is he's and not the clubs? Either way, I would think the best solution is to exercise that additional year, that way if things still don't work out this season, he will be on his final year with us again and then we can still get a fee for him, rather than giving him a big contract for another 5 years and he is priced out of a move, if that's what he wants still.
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The option belongs to the club. His 5 years were up at the end of June, we're now in the additional year.
 
alexthelion said:
That's what happens when Pogba FC mobilises.
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Bebestation said:
I dont mean to be rude but like if this guys goes doesn't sign another contract and plans to go on a free a second time at United- surely we cant let him feel comfortable as a human being anymore.

He is being extremely selfish. We are a a team followed by the biggest number of fans - we should be able to make a player feel intimidated.

A 90 million pound player who we bought but also helped grow in the first place is planning to leave us on a free. That is not right. Sign a contract and leave.
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:lol:
 
If we do end up in negotiations for a new contract with him, I imagine the largest sticking point will be that fatcake Raiola, moreso than Pogba's actual contract.

In a perfect world, he'd just bin him, but alas, it's not.
 
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