Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

It will be feckin stupid to lose him for free twice and not winning the league. So hope this decision pays off.
 
The board will cave and give him a big contract so he doesn't go on a free. Pretty obvious Pogba and his greedy agent just want more money and they ain't in a lose lose situation

Either get more money, or move on next year for that money as they won't be any fee involved.

He'll sign a contract.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
The man has won a world cup & played in Champions League Finals whilst being rather successful throughout his career.

We’re ‘fans’ typing away on a forum talking about elite mentalities, calm down lad.
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By that merit we can’t talk or criticise about any semi-pro onwards players?

Are observers not allowed opinion because we don’t have comparable traits?

Where did I even begin to compare my footballing abilities, or mentality with Pogba’s? I wasn’t I was comparing Pogba’s mentality to Fernandes’ - do you think they aren’t comparable? Looking at the past season and a half who do you think has gave more to the club?

I think I must have missed the World Cup final that United played in, which tournament was that? Hell I don’t even see Pogba playing in our last Champion’s League finals!
 
If I were Pogba, I would sign. You have no higher profile at a club than at United (social media heaven); new WC players have joined (more media spotlight and chance to win trophies); financial stability (barring state-sponsored clubs); best mates are there; no need to uproot. Just pushing for higher wages.

If I were United's decision - makers I would sell though.

I am 100% certain Pogba will stay. Going to PSG in a lesser league would be a massive step down.
 
hellhunter said:
Lewandowski had a very strong final season for Dortmund while letting his contract run out.
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I invite you to appreciate the difference in output/performances between Pogba and Lewandowski, and while you are at it - the difference between United and Dortmund.
 
MIC_FIN said:
Some absolute gutter shit fans of this forum. Get behind our players and our team ffs.
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Even if the action of a player would damage the club not only financially but also the club's prestige?

We have to blindly support all our players regardless of their action, that's your point? This is one of the biggest nonsenses I've come across here.
 
Strelok said:
Even if the action of a player would damage the club not only financially but also the club's prestige?

We have to blindly support all our players regardless of their action, that's your point? This is one of the biggest nonsenses I've come across here.
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And I don't like this dichotomy. I will still wish Pogba to do well if he takes to the pitch in united colors. Not once would I will a united player or manager to fail. And I am not doing that. He's a great player that would work in a different club, not our club. Get him out so we can all move on. We let Becks, Ruud and Ronaldo go FFS. Pogba can't even be mentioned in the same sentence.
 
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Is anybody on Liverpool above 250k? Can’t imagine them giving out 400k/week contracts.

Klopp would have made us a perennial contender with our resources, man. Yet we had to watch him give the dippers their first league title in forever.

What does adult disneyland mean, woody?
 
RedRonaldo said:
Let's just sell him.
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Agree. I dont think deserves a raise nor can we afford to let him leave on a free. Ideally he'd stay on the same wages and stay but if he doesn't want to, we'd be fools to increase his salary or let him play for another year and walk away. And if nobody buys him, he can sit in the stands and waste a full year of his career.
 
pav1790 said:
And I don't like this dichotomy. I will still wish Pogba to do well if he takes to the pitch in united colors. Not once would I will a united player or manager to fail. And I am not doing that. He's a great player that would work in a different club, not our club. Get him out so we can all move on. We let Becks, Ruud and Ronaldo go FFS. Pogba can't even be mentioned in the same sentence.
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I'd even wish him all the best whether he'd leave or stay. But that doesn't exclude him or anyone from fair criticism. We don't want to be those dippers who supported Suarez back then do we?
 
It looks like no one is paying him what he wants this summer and, more generally, clubs are not really keen to bid for him either.
His best bet is to leave on a free I guess.
 
Well, I'm just hoping agent Varane, Bruno, and Rashford is working hard daily to convince him to stay.

I want to see Pogba alongside Sancho, Shaw, Cavani, Maguire, Rashford, Greenwood, Martial, Varane, and Bruno in our 21/22 season. That thought alone makes me excited for the new season.
 
Strelok said:
Even if the action of a player would damage the club not only financially but also the club's prestige?

We have to blindly support all our players regardless of their action, that's your point? This is one of the biggest nonsenses I've come across here.
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Agreed. He's going to leave on a free transfer to madrid next summer as thats where he really wants to go. Madrid will sign Mbappe by next summer and it wouldnt suprise me if Mbappe asked for Pogba to be signed as a condition of his transfer. They have a good relationship on the pitch for France.

Speaking of Mbappe at least he had the decency to be honest with PSG and tell them he wasn't going to sign a new deal and that the club should sell him this summer so they get some money for him. Pogba wouldn't do that.

Every summer its the same circus with Pogba. Like others have posted on here, he should be given an ultimatum. Sign by date x or your getting sold. Refuse to go and you can rot in the reserves. But Ole and Utd are too weak to do that.
 
OrcaFat said:
That was very genuine and heartfelt.

I don’t know how many people really buy into the shite peddled by the unscrupulous among our media but hopefully it’s actually fewer people than you think - a mouthy minority. I’d like to think Pogba ignores those sort of people anyway. I don’t know the truth but Pogba does and so do the people that matter.

I alluded to this idea in another post somewhere: the planets (in terms of the players coming into the squad around him) are potentially aligning for him; could be his best year for us. I agree he is a pleasure to watch sometimes and I’d love it if he proved me and the other doubters wrong.
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Yes, exactly! One more year, and more specifically this year, and he might well find that he wants to stay and help bring glory to United and no one else. It really is on a knife edge.
 
I think that my first reaction to Pogba signing for Liverpool was one of indifference says a lot about my feelings on the player.

Obviously just standard Raiola nonsense though, no way he fits Klopp's criteria or that Liverpool would pay his wages.

If it's true about PSG no longer seeing the transfer as viable, there's no chance he's leaving this summer.
 
sugar_kane said:
I think that my first reaction to Pogba signing for Liverpool was one of indifference says a lot about my feelings on the player.

Obviously just standard Raiola nonsense though, no way he fits Klopp's criteria or that Liverpool would pay his wages.

If it's true about PSG no longer seeing the transfer as viable, there's no chance he's leaving this summer.
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Yup, Pogba is too lazy to play into Klopp high intensity system.
 
reddevilz007 said:
Yup, Pogba is too lazy to play into Klopp high intensity system.
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He's not lazy. Stop posting bullshit.

He just needs 9 players around him to do the running for him and he'll shine, you just wait. You don't have the mental capacity to appreciate his greatness.
 
Vanrouge said:
All good points, and your perception is your own and therefore legitimate. I don't see an agenda from you, in other words; you seem thoughtful and measured. I also agree that most opinions are just that: opinions. In Pogba's case, however, it's become an agenda. Or rather, it began as an agenda by a few of our detractors and rivals and was then, over time, thoughtlessly adopted by so many more that it became an unexamined narrative, a kind of orthodoxy.

But also, here's the thing: I genuinely don't see the on-field issue(s) with Pogba. He might get caught dwelling on the ball a few times a season (who doesn't?), he might have a few defensive lapses, but overall, I love to watch him play, his grace and his movement, his athleticism, his technical brilliance, his defence-splitting passes, his work with the ball in tight spaces, all of it. For me, you don't discard a player of his kind of generational talent because you can't fit him into the system; you tweak the system to fit him in, find the players who will bring out the best of him.

You might think this simplistic, but he is literally the type of player I watch football for, so when a player like that plays for United, I'm doubly invested in him staying. I know this part isn't your angle, and I respect that, but I don't believe the media narrative at all. If he was as toxic as they say, his teammates wouldn't be so openly supportive of him. Within the game, he seems universally loved. I honestly do think we've been duped by a kind of snowballing narrative begun by our rivals and by hostile pundits with Liverpool ties, all of whom were terrified of our return to prominence when Pogba came back to us. The high cost of the transfer only gave them more grist for their mill, ammunition with which to ridicule and therefore undermine us and him. Over time, countless new voices have been added via media punditry and social media, but for me, the vast majority of those voices are simply repeating and amplifying a false narrative. It's been actually painful for me to see it all play out. We've been played. And Pogba if he goes will be going partly because we fans didn't rally around in sufficient numbers. Note: partly. It'll be one element of a complex situation, but any player will be affected by a sense that a significant number of his own club's fans are okay with seeing him go. I guess what I'm saying is I wish more of us had said from the start that we're not okay with seeing him go.
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Great post.
 
It seems that Pogba has decided to leave next year on a free. In that case I hope that we add a quality CM and we send Pogba away even on loan. Let the circus surrounding his transfer go elsewhere
 
Vanrouge said:
All good points, and your perception is your own and therefore legitimate. I don't see an agenda from you, in other words; you seem thoughtful and measured. I also agree that most opinions are just that: opinions. In Pogba's case, however, it's become an agenda. Or rather, it began as an agenda by a few of our detractors and rivals and was then, over time, thoughtlessly adopted by so many more that it became an unexamined narrative, a kind of orthodoxy.

But also, here's the thing: I genuinely don't see the on-field issue(s) with Pogba. He might get caught dwelling on the ball a few times a season (who doesn't?), he might have a few defensive lapses, but overall, I love to watch him play, his grace and his movement, his athleticism, his technical brilliance, his defence-splitting passes, his work with the ball in tight spaces, all of it. For me, you don't discard a player of his kind of generational talent because you can't fit him into the system; you tweak the system to fit him in, find the players who will bring out the best of him.

You might think this simplistic, but he is literally the type of player I watch football for, so when a player like that plays for United, I'm doubly invested in him staying. I know this part isn't your angle, and I respect that, but I don't believe the media narrative at all. If he was as toxic as they say, his teammates wouldn't be so openly supportive of him. Within the game, he seems universally loved. I honestly do think we've been duped by a kind of snowballing narrative begun by our rivals and by hostile pundits with Liverpool ties, all of whom were terrified of our return to prominence when Pogba came back to us. The high cost of the transfer only gave them more grist for their mill, ammunition with which to ridicule and therefore undermine us and him. Over time, countless new voices have been added via media punditry and social media, but for me, the vast majority of those voices are simply repeating and amplifying a false narrative. It's been actually painful for me to see it all play out. We've been played. And Pogba if he goes will be going partly because we fans didn't rally around in sufficient numbers. Note: partly. It'll be one element of a complex situation, but any player will be affected by a sense that a significant number of his own club's fans are okay with seeing him go. I guess what I'm saying is I wish more of us had said from the start that we're not okay with seeing him go.
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Excellent post. Spot on.
 
With Rashfords injury and probable absence the first few months Im guessing Pogba will get alot of gametime on the left now.

Might be a sweetener for him to see that he can produce good numbers from there and make it his own . I dont think he really wants to be in the double pivot for us (and rightfully so).
 
Royal Madrid said:
Just how much longer are United going to humiliate themselves by prostrating in front of Pogba and his agent? SAF would be crying into his haggis with what he's seeing right now. His agent obviously acts with the Pogba's tacit approval and the disdain with which they have treated the club would not be tolerated anywhere else. Openly flirting with City, now Liverpool ... why are United even offering him a contract? He should be told that he is not being counted on this season and he will be 3rd choice behind Bruno/de Beek if he doesn't find a club.
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Agreed.

We have no one to blame but ourselves in the first place. We let them toying with and humiliating us all the way simply because we have no ball. If this happens at Liverpool the entire caf would laugh their tits off for years.

Back in the SAF days even if he makes a similar mistake no way he'd let those cnuts treat us the way it's been. He'd simply tell them to shut the feck off or rot on the bench ages ago. Then kick them out of the door first chance he got. No player is bigger than the club, regardless of how talented or important that player is. Let alone someone who is inconsistent and hardly deliver accordingly to his price tag like Pogba.
 
Vanrouge said:
All good points, and your perception is your own and therefore legitimate. I don't see an agenda from you, in other words; you seem thoughtful and measured. I also agree that most opinions are just that: opinions. In Pogba's case, however, it's become an agenda. Or rather, it began as an agenda by a few of our detractors and rivals and was then, over time, thoughtlessly adopted by so many more that it became an unexamined narrative, a kind of orthodoxy.

But also, here's the thing: I genuinely don't see the on-field issue(s) with Pogba. He might get caught dwelling on the ball a few times a season (who doesn't?), he might have a few defensive lapses, but overall, I love to watch him play, his grace and his movement, his athleticism, his technical brilliance, his defence-splitting passes, his work with the ball in tight spaces, all of it. For me, you don't discard a player of his kind of generational talent because you can't fit him into the system; you tweak the system to fit him in, find the players who will bring out the best of him.

You might think this simplistic, but he is literally the type of player I watch football for, so when a player like that plays for United, I'm doubly invested in him staying. I know this part isn't your angle, and I respect that, but I don't believe the media narrative at all. If he was as toxic as they say, his teammates wouldn't be so openly supportive of him. Within the game, he seems universally loved. I honestly do think we've been duped by a kind of snowballing narrative begun by our rivals and by hostile pundits with Liverpool ties, all of whom were terrified of our return to prominence when Pogba came back to us. The high cost of the transfer only gave them more grist for their mill, ammunition with which to ridicule and therefore undermine us and him. Over time, countless new voices have been added via media punditry and social media, but for me, the vast majority of those voices are simply repeating and amplifying a false narrative. It's been actually painful for me to see it all play out. We've been played. And Pogba if he goes will be going partly because we fans didn't rally around in sufficient numbers. Note: partly. It'll be one element of a complex situation, but any player will be affected by a sense that a significant number of his own club's fans are okay with seeing him go. I guess what I'm saying is I wish more of us had said from the start that we're not okay with seeing him go.
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This should appear in a tutorial "how to post a valid and unbiased opinion on a forum".

I agree with all the points, the media circus made our fans turn on him which is fecking sad.
I also think the expectation was too big for him. The 90 mil price tag made our fans believe that we're buying some Ronaldo/Messi-esque messiah of football and, let's be honest, even at Juventus he wasn't even close to performing as consistent as those two did in the last 15 years, even if the talent is/was there.

What gets on my nerves in regards to fans analyzing his performances is the usual "he sleeps on the ball, he gets caught a lot of times". Who doesn't? I wish fans would also see the amount of times he receives the ball, lifts his head, sees that none of our attackers are bothered to make a run and he just passes it sideways or tries to dribble.

Losing him would mean losing a high quality player, even if not a consistent one. Hell even Bruno is not consistent and went missing for about two months last season, for various reasons.
 
Royal Madrid said:
Just how much longer are United going to humiliate themselves by prostrating in front of Pogba and his agent? SAF would be crying into his haggis with what he's seeing right now. His agent obviously acts with the Pogba's tacit approval and the disdain with which they have treated the club would not be tolerated anywhere else. Openly flirting with City, now Liverpool ... why are United even offering him a contract? He should be told that he is not being counted on this season and he will be 3rd choice behind Bruno/de Beek if he doesn't find a club.
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Rooney in 2010, Rio in 2005, Keane in 2001(?). All given big contracts after flirting away. Rooney publicly handed in a request and flirted with City ffs.

Fergie was pragmatic. He only turfed out players when they were declining.
 
Vanrouge said:
All good points, and your perception is your own and therefore legitimate. I don't see an agenda from you, in other words; you seem thoughtful and measured. I also agree that most opinions are just that: opinions. In Pogba's case, however, it's become an agenda. Or rather, it began as an agenda by a few of our detractors and rivals and was then, over time, thoughtlessly adopted by so many more that it became an unexamined narrative, a kind of orthodoxy.

But also, here's the thing: I genuinely don't see the on-field issue(s) with Pogba. He might get caught dwelling on the ball a few times a season (who doesn't?), he might have a few defensive lapses, but overall, I love to watch him play, his grace and his movement, his athleticism, his technical brilliance, his defence-splitting passes, his work with the ball in tight spaces, all of it. For me, you don't discard a player of his kind of generational talent because you can't fit him into the system; you tweak the system to fit him in, find the players who will bring out the best of him.

You might think this simplistic, but he is literally the type of player I watch football for, so when a player like that plays for United, I'm doubly invested in him staying. I know this part isn't your angle, and I respect that, but I don't believe the media narrative at all. If he was as toxic as they say, his teammates wouldn't be so openly supportive of him. Within the game, he seems universally loved. I honestly do think we've been duped by a kind of snowballing narrative begun by our rivals and by hostile pundits with Liverpool ties, all of whom were terrified of our return to prominence when Pogba came back to us. The high cost of the transfer only gave them more grist for their mill, ammunition with which to ridicule and therefore undermine us and him. Over time, countless new voices have been added via media punditry and social media, but for me, the vast majority of those voices are simply repeating and amplifying a false narrative. It's been actually painful for me to see it all play out. We've been played. And Pogba if he goes will be going partly because we fans didn't rally around in sufficient numbers. Note: partly. It'll be one element of a complex situation, but any player will be affected by a sense that a significant number of his own club's fans are okay with seeing him go. I guess what I'm saying is I wish more of us had said from the start that we're not okay with seeing him go.
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Welcome to the internet, where if something gets repeated often enough it slowly starts to become fact, even obvious fake news.
 
pratyush_utd said:
Its Liverpool Echo. Doubt Riola has even heard about them
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The liverpool echo is merely quoting reports that originate in the French media and it sounds very Raiola - he has form for it.
 
Vanrouge said:
All good points, and your perception is your own and therefore legitimate. I don't see an agenda from you, in other words; you seem thoughtful and measured. I also agree that most opinions are just that: opinions. In Pogba's case, however, it's become an agenda. Or rather, it began as an agenda by a few of our detractors and rivals and was then, over time, thoughtlessly adopted by so many more that it became an unexamined narrative, a kind of orthodoxy.

But also, here's the thing: I genuinely don't see the on-field issue(s) with Pogba. He might get caught dwelling on the ball a few times a season (who doesn't?), he might have a few defensive lapses, but overall, I love to watch him play, his grace and his movement, his athleticism, his technical brilliance, his defence-splitting passes, his work with the ball in tight spaces, all of it. For me, you don't discard a player of his kind of generational talent because you can't fit him into the system; you tweak the system to fit him in, find the players who will bring out the best of him.

You might think this simplistic, but he is literally the type of player I watch football for, so when a player like that plays for United, I'm doubly invested in him staying. I know this part isn't your angle, and I respect that, but I don't believe the media narrative at all. If he was as toxic as they say, his teammates wouldn't be so openly supportive of him. Within the game, he seems universally loved. I honestly do think we've been duped by a kind of snowballing narrative begun by our rivals and by hostile pundits with Liverpool ties, all of whom were terrified of our return to prominence when Pogba came back to us. The high cost of the transfer only gave them more grist for their mill, ammunition with which to ridicule and therefore undermine us and him. Over time, countless new voices have been added via media punditry and social media, but for me, the vast majority of those voices are simply repeating and amplifying a false narrative. It's been actually painful for me to see it all play out. We've been played. And Pogba if he goes will be going partly because we fans didn't rally around in sufficient numbers. Note: partly. It'll be one element of a complex situation, but any player will be affected by a sense that a significant number of his own club's fans are okay with seeing him go. I guess what I'm saying is I wish more of us had said from the start that we're not okay with seeing him go.
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I like a lot of what you said here. Pogba does play better in a certain system and great teams would build more towards this. That all said one thing you leave out here is Raiola. He has helped fuel this negative narrative and made things messy. The part of me that does not take well to Pogba is all tied here, by the player's own choice, to associate with this guy who does NOTHING to help team's achieve greatness.
 
I cannot see realistically how we can play with Pogba, Bruno, Sancho, Cavanni and Rashford in the team - even then Greenwood is on the bench.
We need to play 2 DMs if you have 5 attackers. Didnt the EL final show us that we are unbalanced with Pog and Bruno together? I watched every game last season and you just cannot play them both together. 1DM and Pogba doesnt work at all. Bruno is undroppable I think due to his work rate and output. Pogba not so undroppable - luxury player only great in a team that works it bollocks off and allows him to prance around. He's a liability in midfield gets caught in possesion far too ofter. We have fallen in love with his 50yd pings and have lost sight of what he's there for - win the ball, work and create. Theres no I in team but there is a U in cnut!
Get rid please.
 
He is going to be given a 450k pw contract isnt he? Every summer his agent and his random family members going to slate the club while this club legend keeping mum huh. Meanwhile in 5 years time giggs replacement manager still wondering where his best position would be.
 
I don't want the club to increase his wages. He's just not worth it.
 
I think PSG might offer £35-40 mill and we would be better losing face and taking it. What would be the point of saying no and having him stink up the place for a season then leave on a free?
We would have lost around £50 mill over the 5 years. We would also save his £290k a week wages. This would at least go towards a Neves type signing, or half the Rice price.
At least it would end this mad circus Pogba has created.
 
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Royal Madrid said:
Just how much longer are United going to humiliate themselves by prostrating in front of Pogba and his agent? SAF would be crying into his haggis with what he's seeing right now. His agent obviously acts with the Pogba's tacit approval and the disdain with which they have treated the club would not be tolerated anywhere else. Openly flirting with City, now Liverpool ... why are United even offering him a contract? He should be told that he is not being counted on this season and he will be 3rd choice behind Bruno/de Beek if he doesn't find a club.
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It's very odd. It's almost as if United see Riaola as an entity in himself rather that Pogba's representative, which is a bit strange really. I mean, by all accounts Pogba seems like a good chap who had a positive effect on everybody around him, but his agent is acting in his interest and I agree that the club should take a harsher and stronger stance on this one. Pogba should reign in the dumb feck of an agent he has and want to be part of the club's future rather little old us being hopeful of him staying this summer.

For me either he signs up on the same salary, is sold this summer or spends a year in the stands. We cannot have him leave on a free getting playing time in our team. feck that..
 
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