Raiola might be better served wondering why, in the three or so years he's been punting this supposedly top tier player around Europe, he hasn't been able to generate any sort of market for him.
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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It's hard for people to see something they don't want to see sadly.
We do it as Muppets though for signings, shite on anything negative, no matter how reliable, and embrace and take as gospel anything positive no matter how unreliable.
That reads like we are willing to risk losing him on a free next season. No offer from PSG either.
Tbh, after Varane and Sancho deals am fine with it especially if we can somehow add a proper DM in this window. Actually, we have no other choice.
De Jong and Pedri are Barca most valuable assets and foundation of another brilliant midfield. Even they are not that dumb to sell. They will try to solve their financial problems by offloading other players. De Jong is probably the last on the selling list.
It is like trying to go for Verratti.
Some people in this thread may ask the similar question.
Think you’ve got that tin foil hat strapped on a little too tight and it’s squeezing your brain.
@Jim Beam DeJong is certainly one of their most valuable assets and they've talked about how one of the big assets will ahve to be moved. I think if Koeman wasn't in charge, it could possibly work but he won't sell a fellow dutchman from Barca
That's why he will want to go for free. Then his 'choice' clubs can afford him with no transfer fees to pay.
He's just stringing United along.
You're missing the point. If PSG lose interest, then he'll simply resign with United due to a lack of options. No doubt about it.
PSG and United are among a small handfull of clubs that can accomodate Pogba's inflated salary demands. Remove them from the equation and you have, what, City? He'll never sign for them.
Where is the evidence Pogba doesn't fancy PSG? Sorry if it's been posted already.
We are better with pogba than without pogba if utilized properly. If this is a make or break season for Ole, Ole will be smart to just let his contract run out and get the most out of him in his last season.
Why would we re-sign him if he plays bad enough for PSG to lose interest?
All good points, and your perception is your own and therefore legitimate. I don't see an agenda from you, in other words; you seem thoughtful and measured. I also agree that most opinions are just that: opinions. In Pogba's case, however, it's become an agenda. Or rather, it began as an agenda by a few of our detractors and rivals and was then, over time, thoughtlessly adopted by so many more that it became an unexamined narrative, a kind of orthodoxy.
But also, here's the thing: I genuinely don't see the on-field issue(s) with Pogba. He might get caught dwelling on the ball a few times a season (who doesn't?), he might have a few defensive lapses, but overall, I love to watch him play, his grace and his movement, his athleticism, his technical brilliance, his defence-splitting passes, his work with the ball in tight spaces, all of it. For me, you don't discard a player of his kind of generational talent because you can't fit him into the system; you tweak the system to fit him in, find the players who will bring out the best of him.
You might think this simplistic, but he is literally the type of player I watch football for, so when a player like that plays for United, I'm doubly invested in him staying. I know this part isn't your angle, and I respect that, but I don't believe the media narrative at all. If he was as toxic as they say, his teammates wouldn't be so openly supportive of him. Within the game, he seems universally loved. I honestly do think we've been duped by a kind of snowballing narrative begun by our rivals and by hostile pundits with Liverpool ties, all of whom were terrified of our return to prominence when Pogba came back to us. The high cost of the transfer only gave them more grist for their mill, ammunition with which to ridicule and therefore undermine us and him. Over time, countless new voices have been added via media punditry and social media, but for me, the vast majority of those voices are simply repeating and amplifying a false narrative. It's been actually painful for me to see it all play out. We've been played. And Pogba if he goes will be going partly because we fans didn't rally around in sufficient numbers. Note: partly. It'll be one element of a complex situation, but any player will be affected by a sense that a significant number of his own club's fans are okay with seeing him go. I guess what I'm saying is I wish more of us had said from the start that we're not okay with seeing him go.
And anyone who doesn't share the same bloodlust for some of our players gets labeled a fanboy rather than the true fans who despise United players
I have a policy not to publicly hate on any of our players. I looked on in horror when a vast number of our own fans ridiculed Luke Shaw for years before his resurgence. Do people not realize that some of this negativity can filter through to the players themselves and affect their performances? That they add aid and comfort to our rivals? That doesn't mean we can't moan at the odd poor back pass or at a player for dwelling on the ball in any given moment, but I mean the long-term constant negativity that the likes of Shaw suffered, and now aimed at Pogba and Martial. I mean, I wasn't impressed initially by Maguire, for example, but I kept it to myself, and he improved tremendously at the back end of last season. It's like some people see a situation and think it's never going to change, that the out of form player is only gonna get worse, and never better. It's weird to me.
@Random Task
That came as a result of an interview in 2018 that had resurfaced in recent days. Pasting the relevant section below:
In an interview with Canal+, the France international said: "I'm sure that I wouldn't play club football at the Parc des Princes.
"I'm not attracted to that because my father and mother were fans of Marseille so Paris doesn't really fit into my plans."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pogba-psg-transfer-rule-out-24610217
Suffice to say as depicted in the banner the fans erected, they were not too happy with those comments.
Granted, fans are fickle and time can change things, but I honestly just don't see Pogba to PSG happening right now or any time for that matter, but of course I can't say it with any certainty, but based on that I'm more inclined to accept that reality, than the constant easy rumor mill that he is on his way to PSG.
His dream was always Real Madrid if I recall, and who knows how they will be come next summer. So if I were him, and I REALLY, wanted out of United, I'd run my contract down and see how things look next summer.
Still, I think he renews, maybe not the most likely option, more a hopeful one, but the above would be his best bet.
The clubs best best would be that we can sell him now for a decent fee and put everything behind us.
The fairytale is he renews to show his commitment, with the same wages, or a little more, whatever that is, I've never really been one to get bogged down about wages, and he starts to show the consistency we expect as fans, and the club and he expects of himself I'm sure.
Long speech again, apologies.
If we are going to win the league or champion league this season, we will do it with pogba in our team
I think he'll wait until January to see what other offers he gets and make a decision then.
I wouldn't buy into that statement too much as it could have been said tongue in cheek. Context is everything and all that.
Pogba would sell his gran and her dog for a move to PSG if Raiola is to be believed.
And there in lies the issue. Raiola is a cnut, and you can't trust a word that comes out of his mouth.
As I said, the evidence for me points more to him not fancying PSG move, than him wanting it.
All the links just smack of your typical tabloid bs that comes up every summer for Man Utd transfers both in and out. Add to the fact that we talking about Pogba, a divisive figure among fans, and that's a "journalists" wet dream for clicks.
At best its Raiola trying to use it as a ploy to get a better deal for his player, at worst, he is trying to put pressure on PSG to make an offer.
*You can swap worse or best between the 2 depending on which side of the Pogba debate you stand, mind you.
End of the day, I am all for Muppets drinking the koolaid when we getting giddy for a player we want, but let's not drink everything the media spouts when it comes to Pogba matters, as there is clearly a deliberate effort to play on fans fickle views for their benefit, whether journalists or that fat cnut.
Some absolute gutter shit fans of this forum. Get behind our players and our team ffs.
I think there are two sides to this thread: the over the top Pogba haters who'll hate anything he does and the Pogba fan boys/girls who will make ridiculous statements like "he's our best player", "world class" etc etc. Both groups are out to lunch. Pogba is a useful player with flaws who is looking to get paid way above his market value. I'd be perfectly fine keeping him, but wouldn't be too bothered if he ultimately left since there are enough suitable replacements that may add more balance to our squad.
Madrid is too smart to sign him. They never bothered when they had the money and won't try if he is a free agent next summer. Juventus will be lining up to sign him on a free contract. They are not going to come and pay a fee for him.
Also that comment, context and all, was pretty damning. Including his mother and father into it, makes it quiet serious to me, rather than tongue in cheek.
I think they did try to get him when Jose was around, but with the long contract he still had, Man Utd dug their heels in and didn't budge.
But as time went by things went pear shape at RM and made that option no longer viable.
I told this when Jose was here and people wouldn't listen. That's how you become a super fan.
The case with Pogba has always been a rather vocal group of ‘fans’ have never been able to fathom the guy might want to be here so they critique the most random things.
Some idiot was say he was carried to every trophy he’s ever won earlier, it’s truly bizarre.
Let's not feed stupidity.
I'll get behind when he proves he's not holding the club to ransom by renewing his contract.
I mean it's obviously a lie but it would indeed be hilarious watching klopp lose his mind at pogba
Hardly ransom to be fair, didn't Rooney do something similar until the squad was strengthened?
You have absolutely nailed it with the below statement, however also can understand people who have valid concerns about just how much effort he will put in if he's leaving on a free at the end of the season.
I think we should try to offload other players like Lingard, Bailly, even Martial under condition there is a good enough offer and go for a midfielder because we need one regardless of Pogba going or not.
It feels like Zidane wanted him more than Madrid did. When they want a player, the world knows it. Also the underwhelming feeling he is staying as nobody will pay for him where he wants to go
IMO That sounds like Riola putting a story out to make Utd take note and consider the most damaging outcome possible if they don’t offer enough to get Pogba to agree to a further contract.
It’s Pogba’s representative saying that Pogba will be quite happy to play for Utd’s most bitter rivals and Utd will now have to consider the national and international backlash from their supporters if they allow it to happen.
Liverpool won’t sign him but they’ll be laughing their cocks off - and that isn’t funny.
Pogba is outrageous - Raiola offered Pogba to City not long ago and, while City weren’t interested, the fact remains that he wouldn’t have done that if Pogba wasn’t happy to go to City.
In short; IMO The headline means nothing other than that team Pogba need a counterbalance to hedge their bets in their negotiations with PSG and, with that in mind, they are looking to use every dirty trick to strong-arm a better deal out of Utd so that they don’t get cornered into taking less than the maximum possible returns from PSG.
I could be wrong but there’s a pattern of behaviour becoming evident and it’s all pointing in one direction.
People on this forum told me Romano repeats what other journalist report. This is weird.
Its Liverpool Echo. Doubt Riola has even heard about them
If he doesn’t go he will be a valuable bench impact player. We may as well keep him to come on and change games. Aside from that we need to get our working first XI system firing on all cylinders. Which does not include pogba
That was very genuine and heartfelt.
I don’t know how many people really buy into the shite peddled by the unscrupulous among our media but hopefully it’s actually fewer people than you think - a mouthy minority. I’d like to think Pogba ignores those sort of people anyway. I don’t know the truth but Pogba does and so do the people that matter.
I alluded to this idea in another post somewhere: the planets (in terms of the players coming into the squad around him) are potentially aligning for him; could be his best year for us. I agree he is a pleasure to watch sometimes and I’d love it if he proved me and the other doubters wrong.
Well if he doesn’t go this summer, you can count on him performing at a very high level to either get a lucrative contract from us or to get offers from other teams in Jan or next summer. The team should at least benefit from that.