Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

MUFC OK said:
I can see you are a stats lover, which is your perogative. How on earth did United used to win major trophies before the majority of these were even documented?

He actually got 6 goals and 9 assists - you cant pick and choose all comps when it suits your win percentage agenda but just use the PL when you want to present his goals/assists per game.

Btw Ryan Giggs scored 3 goals and got 1 assist in the PL in 98/99, so I'd ask the same question?
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That's fair about the stats. For clarity, I am not saying it's all his fault, perhaps he doesn't fit the system and will go elsewhere and be great. I've seen games of him playing for Juve and if he was anything like he was there I'd be a huge fan. Their system was clearly great for him and he felt happy.

I acknowledge that his role in big games can be helpful, we had Park who did a similar job (and better) in big games, but no one was pushing for him to be on 300k a week or acting like if he lost him it would have been catastrophic, and he didn't come with all the drama Pogba/his agent seem to bring.

The teams he has scored against don't exactly indicate big game player who comes in to save us:
  • Brighton
  • West Ham
  • Burnley
  • Fulham
  • AC Milan
  • Roma
Out of the big 6 last season (in the league) he played:
Liverpool 2x D1, L1
Tottenham 2x W1,L1
Arsenal 2x D1,L1
City 2x D1, L1
Chelsea 1x D1

That's 0.77777 points per game.

Even if you give him the FA cup win over Liverpool it's still a bit of a sorry picture for someone who is meant to be one of the main men stepping up in big games.

I just think we could get a lot better for 350k per week. But I guess it's all opinion at the end of the day. He's just completely lost all support from me personally wanting more money when he's very lucky to be on what he is.
 
MUFC OK said:
100%. We looked far more dynamic with Pogba and Bruno - two players to pick the lock against teams that park the bus. Some people would rather just rely on stats - such a flawed approach.
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Im sorry, youre obviously a big Pogba fan, but Pogba is a defensive liability in midfield as he switches off so often and watches runners go past him and i've never seen a supposedly top player who has such prolonged dips in form. McTominay has largely benched him over the last couple of seasons to the extent that the manager has been trying him out on the wing where his defensive failings are less of an issue. He's a luxury impact player now. At this stage it should be clear to everyone that hes not one of the players who'll push us on to the next level.
 
alexthelion said:
Alternatively, the Pogba FC posters are so blind with love they can't see just how little Pogba actually contributes, certainly not consistently enough.
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Pogba was one of the most consistent players for us this season just gone, only behind Luke Shaw
 
SATA said:
Off topic but wow, Raiola gets 20M alone in commission just to bring Donarumma to PSG on a free. What a life of a football agent
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He'll get even more next summer if he can string this out for 6 months.
 
MUFC OK said:
100%. We looked far more dynamic with Pogba and Bruno - two players to pick the lock against teams that park the bus. Some people would rather just rely on stats - such a flawed approach.
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Just because we don't currently have a decent alternative doesn't mean paying him obscene wages and putting up with the constant drama is the best thing for the club.

You look at other very good CM's in the league... You look at Kante and his defensive stats are outstanding even when he had a not great season. You look at Mount and he destroys Pogba's stats offensively. You look at Pogba... And it's meh. Neither of these in their right mind would ask for 350k when they're had better seasons than him.
 
Don’t want to get rid of Pogba this window. Yes the agent is a problem as was his constant flirting with Real Madrid but basically we can get 40-50 mil for him now or lose him on a free. Don’t really get why people want the money over another year . Watched a YouTube vid with Rio earlier and they asked him what it was like after Reinaldo agreed to stay another year, he said it was fine. If we can get 1 more year out of pogba, potentially challenge for a title and secure champions league next year than that money (from champions league) will offset the money received from PSG. Plus if we have a good year and do challenge for the major trophy’s then there’s a good chance he’d stay imo and for a lower wage as we’d be in a stronger position to negotiate and potential quality players joining the following summer.

I thought he was very good last year and we really missed him when he was out injured (around the time we fell out of th title race coincidently) , seems to be a genuinely good guy too so even if he was planning to go , I wouldn’t worry about him upsetting the dressing room too much as by all reports (that actually know the guy) are very positive.

I would love to see how he plays with the additions of Sancho, Varane a fit again Rashford, showed some great moments with cavani and maybe Martial turns it on this season.. very exciting and would rather take that chance then ship him off at a cut price cus his agents an arse!
 
Jimble said:
PSG couldn't even stop Lille winning the league last year
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and they’ve since gone out and heavily invested. the first title they’ve given up in like what 7/8 years? they’re 100% winning it this season
 
MUFC OK said:
100%. We looked far more dynamic with Pogba and Bruno - two players to pick the lock against teams that park the bus. Some people would rather just rely on stats - such a flawed approach.
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That's not true. We look more dynamic with Fred and McTominay in midfield than Pogba. He's not the guy who plays quick passing football. He actually does the opposite, receive the ball, look around, and either long pass or pass backwards / sideways. This is much more effective in slower leagues compared to EPL.

Unless you're talking about Pogba the winger.
 
It's frustrating but the key thing to remember is that the media always has its own agenda. How Pogba is around and towards his teammates and staff is all that matters.
 
I wonder if that 350k renewal offer was pushed by the media/commercial side of the club as opposed to the football side. At this point it shouldn't matter what happens next, except for the club getting shit kicked in their face twice. Which is embarrassing but that's what the boardroom level has been like for a while now. Being sold for anything around 50mil is a bonus for us because we look to be growing up a bit and getting our shit together, I trust we will sign a more complete player more suitable to our needs.
There are lots of other players in this team that deserve our attention. Pogba can do Pogba (expensive but potential game winning bit part player) on the money offered and try to be happy and professional or go to PSG which is probably a better fit. It would be nice to have him around but not the focal point unless his football warrants it.
Either way I feel it's a win win. The culture seems to be changing at the club. We have some serious character being built with this team which is likely down to Ole using what he learned from SAF who was the master of balance between flair players and consistently solid players.
Pogba is a good guy, anyone that says otherwise is lying. He is also shrewdly advised, although there is nothing wrong with that but it doesn't mix well with passionate football fans. On the pitch is a different matter though. I don't think this league is right for him. It's time we moved on with or without him.
 
MUFC OK said:
If you assess a players effectiveness by percentage win rate then I cant have discussion with you. He's a creative outlet in the middle of the park, doesnt have to be goals and assists but along with Bruno he's very important to us.
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he doesnt know how to kick a ball straight btw. he only flukes it every now and then.
 
He'll get his money, he'll stay. They just want their moolah. It's always been about getting paid. It's the smart choice.
 
Harry190 said:
He'll get his money, he'll stay. They just want their moolah. It's always been about getting paid. It's the smart choice.
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The smart choice actually is leaving on a free next summer. Way more money. We're talking about 50m for him and the fat fecker. I don't think we should and could pay them that.
 
MUFC OK said:
I can see you are a stats lover, which is your perogative. How on earth did United used to win major trophies before the majority of these were even documented?

He actually got 6 goals and 9 assists - you cant pick and choose all comps when it suits your win percentage agenda but just use the PL when you want to present his goals/assists per game.

Btw Ryan Giggs scored 3 goals and got 1 assist in the PL in 98/99, so I'd ask the same question?
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Of all the criticisms of stats made, this must be the weirdest ever.

The rest of your post makes sense, in that some players do not score many goals or assists to be the creative force of the team. Even Scholes did not have many assists in the second half of his career I think.
 
IWat said:
That's fair about the stats. For clarity, I am not saying it's all his fault, perhaps he doesn't fit the system and will go elsewhere and be great. I've seen games of him playing for Juve and if he was anything like he was there I'd be a huge fan. Their system was clearly great for him and he felt happy.

I acknowledge that his role in big games can be helpful, we had Park who did a similar job (and better) in big games, but no one was pushing for him to be on 300k a week or acting like if he lost him it would have been catastrophic, and he didn't come with all the drama Pogba/his agent seem to bring.

The teams he has scored against don't exactly indicate big game player who comes in to save us:
  • Brighton
  • West Ham
  • Burnley
  • Fulham
  • AC Milan
  • Roma
Out of the big 6 last season (in the league) he played:
Liverpool 2x D1, L1
Tottenham 2x W1,L1
Arsenal 2x D1,L1
City 2x D1, L1
Chelsea 1x D1

That's 0.77777 points per game.

Even if you give him the FA cup win over Liverpool it's still a bit of a sorry picture for someone who is meant to be one of the main men stepping up in big games.

I just think we could get a lot better for 350k per week. But I guess it's all opinion at the end of the day. He's just completely lost all support from me personally wanting more money when he's very lucky to be on what he is.
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While I'm generally more on your end of the spectrum when it comes to Pogba, your argument in this reply really doesn't hold water. Not big game player?
Assist vs. Brighton to win 2:1
Goal vs. West Ham to equalise
Winning goal vs. Burnley
Winning goal vs. Fulham
Winning goal vs. Milan

He has been a very important scorer/assist maker for us.
I'll give you Roma. But you've also missed other assists he made in the PL. In general, I agree that his contributions against Big 6 teams has been lacking but that's not what a "big game player" is (at least not for me).
 
Strelok said:
The smart choice actually is leaving on a free next summer. Way more money. We're talking about 50m for him and the fat fecker. I don't think we should and could pay them that.
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He could break his leg, tear his ACL by then. It's all risk-reward.
 
podurban2 said:
Partly true but it’s also the amount of times he chooses to linger on the ball instead of playing it, often leading to him misplacing a pass or getting run over by 2-3 opposition players. Coupled with his inability in being a box-to-box type of player in midfield.

Anyway, PSG is not a great choice imo. Here he will at least also have the PL to fight for each year in order to become a true great. In France it’s the CL (numerous times) or bust, and they haven’t really showed that they will succeed with that.
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I think it would work nicely for PSG and Pogba.
Pogba would get more money, would have less stressful league matches which would help him use more energy in the CL matches.
PSG would really look a decent team too with Forward line (Mbappe,Neymar, Di Maria) , Midfield ( Wijnaldum,Veratti,pogba). Pogba will be able to play in the attacking areas and could ignore defensive duties.

I think Bruno coming in and taking the AMC role completely is probably the final straw for pogba at ManUtd.
 
His not going to PSG. Full stop. In 2018 he even stated his mother is Marseille fan and PSG wasn't really an option which lead to this banner been put up by PSG fans. 3 years in football is a long time, sure, but things like this don't just magically disappear.



I fully expect Pogba to be with us for this season. Only question will be whether he runs down his contract or renews it.

With that, I'd much prefer he renews, but I suspect he knows that will further hamper any possibility of a transfer elsewhere. Worst case, Real get him on a free next year.
Best case, he sees out the start of the season, it goes well and he renews and finally delivers to the potential he was expected to bring when he came back. Fantasy, but hey, everyone else is smoking stuff, may as well join in.
 
Strelok said:
No chance the way he's been playing for us. I've never called him this, but there's a reason some here called him Jogba.
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Because we have some fans who aren't very bright and suffer from selective amnesia when it comes to Pogba?
 
pratyush_utd said:
Because we have some fans who aren't very bright and suffer from selective amnesia when it comes to Pogba?
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I don't think you should call other posters that way. And no, because it's true that his work rate is quite meh.
 
Borys said:
That's not true. We look more dynamic with Fred and McTominay in midfield than Pogba. He's not the guy who plays quick passing football. He actually does the opposite, receive the ball, look around, and either long pass or pass backwards / sideways. This is much more effective in slower leagues compared to EPL.

Unless you're talking about Pogba the winger.
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Our most dynamic midfield combo during Solskjaer's reign has been a triumvirate of Bruno, Pogba and Matic. I think Fred could offer that as well alongside Pogba and Bruno.

McTominay is anything but dynamic, he plays effectively only one way and that's off the ball, he can't pass between the lines to save his life, something Pogba pulls off with ease. I really think some people here have amnesia when it comes to what Pogba has given to this club and what he's capable of.

If the rumors of Solskjaer's willingless to switch to a 4-3-3 are true one of Fred or McTominay could play less this season. It will certainly mean they both won't play together much anyway.

pratyush_utd said:
Because we have some fans who aren't very bright and suffer from selective amnesia when it comes to Pogba?
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Took the words right out of my mouth
 
Pogba is going to stay this season and sign a new contract with us at the end of it. We are going to pay ravioli bank for keeping Pogba here and bringing halaand in. We are assembling a mighty force in the football world and we pay top dollar.
 
Just uploaded an image on his Insta story of face timing with Varane

 
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