Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

Rooney1987 said:
Pogba will want it to happen now, I can't see him waiting a year. At 28 he'll want a good 5 year 300k plus deal which he can get. At 29 next year, I don't think he gets 5 years and 300k.
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PSG will also see it as a potential tool to convince Mbappe to stay and renew his contract - look we signed your mate who will serve up those nice through balls for you to score against Credt Agricole Wanderers!

Mbappe will know that PSG won't sell unless they have too, and the owners are well versed in multiple persuasion techniques and can easily get a fleet of journos onside without having to resort to a bonesaw. They should both either move to Madrid or PSG and roll around in their extra cash but be seen as a footnote in football history.
 
meamth said:
.....How can a player even entertain of the idea moving from the best league in the world to...french league?

Like Neymar, he will be forgotten.
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Earn huge money, live in a great city, play in the CL and win guaranteed trophies?

He will still be a big star on the european stage and trend across europe when he scores a fancy goal or gets a great assist.

It's obviously still a step down commercially for him, but he will earn more than he ever needs to worry anyway. Being back in his home country has some benefits too i'm sure.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Earn huge money, live in a great city, play in the CL and win guaranteed trophies?

He will still be a big star on the european stage and trend across europe when he scores a fancy goal or gets a great assist.

It's obviously still a step down commercially for him, but he will earn more than he ever needs to worry anyway. Being back in his home country has some benefits too i'm sure.
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"Guaranteed"
 
As manager I would be happy to sell and reinvest in a DM / someone who can play in a midfield 2

As a fan, I would still love it if he signed a long term deal here and knuckled down. Varane, Pogba, Fernandes, Sancho, Greenwood all in the same team :drool:
 
buchansleftleg said:
PSG will also see it as a potential tool to convince Mbappe to stay and renew his contract - look we signed your mate who will serve up those nice through balls for you to score against Credt Agricole Wanderers!

Mbappe will know that PSG won't sell unless they have too, and the owners are well versed in multiple persuasion techniques and can easily get a fleet of journos onside without having to resort to a bonesaw. They should both either move to Madrid or PSG and roll around in their extra cash but be seen as a footnote in football history.
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Mbappe will leave PSG regardless. Mbappe has been a Madrid fan since he was a kid and has been wanting to join since. Pogba joining will have no say in Mbappe's decision. Perez isn't an idiot to be willing to let half of his squad go including his captain and legend just for a slight chance to sign Mbappe. They definitely already have an agreement with Mbappes camp. I'm sure Pogba knows this. You also have Benzema constantly talking about Mbappe joining Madrid the whole summer during the Euros and judging by the fact that he only rejoined the French squad due to Mbappes request you can see where the signs are pointing to. Only question is does it happen this season or next season for free.

Now in terms of Pogba, all of this is to try and get us to increase their wage offer hence the reports of being close to an agreement with PSG, they've been close to an agreement for weeks. I genuinely think Pogbas first choice is to re sign but if we aren't willing to match his demands we may see him leave.
 
Rooney1987 said:
Pogba will want it to happen now, I can't see him waiting a year. At 28 he'll want a good 5 year 300k plus deal which he can get. At 29 next year, I don't think he gets 5 years and 300k.
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He's done nothing in the past few years to deserve 300k plus. I can't find a single player in the squad who seems to damage our win rate as badly when they play.

The fact we've even entertained his demands disappoints me. If he deserves 300k then any of our players who actually turn up deserve far more. You'd have thought we'd have learnt our lesson from the De Gea contract debacle, atleast he had almost single handedly saved us from mid table some seasons.

Juve was 5 years ago now, there is only so long he can rely on the past.

If PSG want to pay him that, more fool them.
 
lsd said:
If Neymar was forgotten you would not have mentioned him and he would not be still regarded as one of the best footballers in the world
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That's what I find hilarious about people being upset a player joins PSG and they all have this unoriginal opinion that a player will be 'forgotten' when they never stop talking about them or PSG. Either way, I wouldn't understand wanting to go to Madrid over United or PSG for Pogba, that club is in shambles and a much weaker team than either alternatives.
 
the_cliff said:
Mbappe will leave PSG regardless. Mbappe has been a Madrid fan since he was a kid and has been wanting to join since. Pogba joining will have no say in Mbappe's decision. Perez isn't an idiot to be willing to let half of his squad go including his captain and legend just for a slight chance to sign Mbappe. They definitely already have an agreement with Mbappes camp. I'm sure Pogba knows this. You also have Benzema constantly talking about Mbappe joining Madrid the whole summer during the Euros and judging by the fact that he only rejoined the French squad due to Mbappes request you can see where the signs are pointing to. Only question is does it happen this season or next season for free.

Now in terms of Pogba, all of this is to try and get us to increase their wage offer hence the reports of being close to an agreement with PSG, they've been close to an agreement for weeks. I genuinely think Pogbas first choice is to re sign but if we aren't willing to match his demands we may see him leave.
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His only choice is PSG, nobody else can afford the wages he wants.
 
I'd rather lose him for free next year than pay out another stupid contract for a player that frankly just is not worth it & hasn't shown any reason why he should be on something like £350,000 - 400,000 a week. At least DDG has several years of great performances.
 
Moomalade74 said:
I must've imagined all those casual penalties he gave away, dangerous disposessions after attempted show pony moves, half arsed misplaced passes, half arsed tracking back, half arsed attempted tackles, and generally floating through games on auto-pilot.
He's not the devil, but come on..
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In summary… Yeah you did lad.
 
Volumiza said:
Not if we bought a decent replacement. The stats show full well we don't drop off a cliff when he's not in the team. He's not irreplaceable or that important in the grand scheme of things. It won't be like losing Scholes, Keane or Ronaldo.
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We were top of the league when he got injured in 1st half against Everton last season. We drew that game, then drew with WBA, Chelsea and Palace in the next 4 games before his return. By which time the title was gone.

Rewatch any of those games and see how we barely created chances with only Bruno as a creative outlet in the middle - it made us so easy to stifle and we were terrible to watch. How many creative talents do City have in central positions?

I think the bullishness from some to basically say "f*ck him" because we've signed Sancho and Varane is naive at best.
 
IWat said:
Would we? Considering our win rate under Ole with Pogba playing is 51% and is 60.3% without him, I don't get why anyone wants him to stay? Paticularly with all the drama he brings.

I don't mind special players who have the quirky personality traits, but he's not doing the business and should be off to the highest bidder.
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That's just simply not true. By this logic, only Bruno is "doing the business" out of our midfielders and attackers.
 
MUFC OK said:
That's just simply not true. By this logic, only Bruno is "doing the business" out of our midfielders and attackers.
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I'm sorry but if the win rate drops by 8% when he plays, what exactly is he doing? I cba to do the calculation but I guarantee that's a stastically significant change that can only be explained by him having a negative impact.

The others are winning far more games when he's not playing.
 
Just put £50m and be done with it. £45m plus £5m adds on is good too. I really can't handle Pogba's saga every year or every half of year, his agent is feckin draining me to death.
 
IWat said:
I'm sorry but if the win rate drops by 8% when he plays, what exactly is he doing?
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If you assess a players effectiveness by percentage win rate then I cant have discussion with you. He's a creative outlet in the middle of the park, doesnt have to be goals and assists but along with Bruno he's very important to us.
 
I will be happy if he stays. But, if he goes and we get a good replacement in a world class cm or dm, then that also works for me. The main issue will be the replacement. But, whatever happens, I hope this concludes very quickly. Cannot go into the new season with this circus.
 
RDCR07 said:
So you basically have no idea what Pogba is thinking yet you seem to “clearly” know he wants to go to Paris? Which one is it?
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No, just going by what French journos are saying? The reason remains unknown. Sure, there is a chance he is just trying to get a leverage in contract negotiations with us, á la Ramos.
 
MUFC OK said:
If you assess a players effectiveness by percentage win rate then I cant have discussion with you. He's a creative outlet in the middle of the park, doesnt have to be goals and assists but along with Bruno he's very important to us.
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The objective of the game is to win football matches. If the team is losing far more matches when he's playing he is doing something wrong. Bruno is also a creative player for sure, and our win rate with him in the team is above the average suggesting when he plays, we win more games.

If you can't see the problem in one of our top paid players is actually contributing to us being a team who wins less matches when he is on the field then I also can't have a discussion with you.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
There have been numerous comments about Pogba from them over the years but yeah I agree they're not pursuing him since Zidane left for sure.

They're manoeuvring for their new savior Mbappe it appears.
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That's true because of Zidane, but I don't think Real really wanted him otherwise they sure would have tried given how he has flirted with them for years. I just don't think anyone would pay to sign him right now except PSG. Maybe Juventus and Inter Milan if he was available on a free.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
I’m just saying it’s not a foregone conclusion that that will happen. If one is a poor character who cannot stand life in Manchester then that is one thing, but to assume he’ll forsake his teammates and mail it in because he’ll soon be moving on to another chapter in his life is a frivolous argument without evidence.
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Sorry, not sure what you've been watching the last 5 years. When the chips are down, he is the first one to down tools.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
Just put £50m and be done with it. £45m plus £5m adds on is good too. I really can't handle Pogba's saga every year or every half of year, his agent is feckin draining me to death.
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I think the issue here is Raiola's comission the base fee goes to the club then PSG will need to also compensate the agent.
 
passing-wind said:
I think the issue here is Raiola's comission the base fee goes to the club then PSG will need to also compensate the agent.
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Raiola never care about his client, this is why I feckin hate about the guy. Even Lukaku moved on from him and at least I have so much respect on Lukaku for doing that.
 
Highfather_24 said:
Correlation doesnt imply causation.
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No, but it's not 1 or 2% that you could easily put down to randomness, it's 8%. It's the difference between the win rate of easily being 2nd to that of Leeds and West Ham.
 
IWat said:
The objective of the game is to win football matches. If the team is losing far more matches when he's playing he is doing something wrong.

Bruno is also a creative player for sure, and our win rate with him in the team is above the average suggesting when he plays, we win more games.

If you can't see the problem then I also can't have a discussion with you.
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8% is hardly huge, and considering he'd start most of our toughest games against better opposition I'm not sure it's a valid point - not to mention we played for draws in so many games against the top 6 last season.

So no, I don't see the problem as you put it. If you think that stat conclusively proves that we're better off without him then that's up to you.
 
MUFC OK said:
8% is hardly huge, and considering he'd start most of our toughest games against better opposition I'm not sure it's a valid point - not to mention we played for draws in so many games against the top 6 last season.

So no, I don't see the problem as you put it. If you think that stat conclusively proves that we're better off without him then that's up to you.
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Hardly huge?! It's the difference over a season between being easily 2nd or scrapping it out for a Europa Conference place.

Nothing about any of his stats is exceptional. Let's look at last season: https://www.premierleague.com/players/3920/Paul-Pogba/stats?co=1&se=363

3 goals at 0.12 a match, 3 assists at 0.12 a match.

4 big chances created in 26 games.

What is he doing then if he's not scoring, not assisting and not even creating chances?
 
IWat said:
Hardly huge?! It's the difference over a season between being easily 2nd or scrapping it out for a Europa Conference place.

Nothing about any of his stats is exceptional. Let's look at last season: https://www.premierleague.com/players/3920/Paul-Pogba/stats?co=1&se=363

3 goals at 0.12 a match, 3 assists at 0.12 a match.

4 big chances created in 26 games.

What is he doing then if he's not scoring, not assisting and not even creating chances?
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I can see you are a stats lover, which is your perogative. How on earth did United used to win major trophies before the majority of these were even documented?

He actually got 6 goals and 9 assists - you cant pick and choose all comps when it suits your win percentage agenda but just use the PL when you want to present his goals/assists per game.

Btw Ryan Giggs scored 3 goals and got 1 assist in the PL in 98/99, so I'd ask the same question?
 
Off topic but wow, Raiola gets 20M alone in commission just to bring Donarumma to PSG on a free. What a life of a football agent
 
IWat said:
No, but it's not 1 or 2% that you could easily put down to randomness, it's 8%. It's the difference between the win rate of easily being 2nd to that of Leeds and West Ham.
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Doesnt matter. There are 10 other players on the field. There are too many variables.

Far easier analysis is the eye test. We struggled when Pogba was out, and we had to over rely on Bruno. Pogba was one of our better players last season. If stats are your thing though, Whoscored rating has him as one of our best performers fyi.

If we sell Pogba, we will be fine, but need to get another creative player. Sancho helps.
 
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Highfather_24 said:
Doesnt matter. There are 10 other players on the field. There are too many variables.

Far easier analysis is the eye test. We struggled when Pogba was out, and we had to over rely on Bruno. Pogba was one of our better players last season.

If we sell Pogba, we will be fine, but need to get another creative player. Sancho helps.
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100%. We looked far more dynamic with Pogba and Bruno - two players to pick the lock against teams that park the bus. Some people would rather just rely on stats - such a flawed approach.
 
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