why is he a horrible character?
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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why is he a horrible character?
He is not refusing to be sold though. We can get some money as long as we don't ask for stupid money.
Club is interested, player wants to go, a deal is there to be done.
He has forever been giving Raiola the go ahead to shit on the club/manager in the media.
He's a two-faced rat.
How do we know he won't refuse to be sold?
PSG could be talking to Raiola right now, and he tells them save your £50m and hold off for 5 months.
Pogba will sign on a free and you pay him £30m direct.
Contrary to what emotional outbursts on this forum would have you believe, players are supposed to look after their interests and that is what Raiola does with his clients. Pogba is not about to sack an agent that can guarantee his future and that of his family because redcafe posters take it personally when Raiola says Pogba would not be short of suitors, and rightfully so.
According to the manager, he's a model professional and a good lad in and around the locker room and off the pitch as well. So.....
Yes, this is what could be done, and he Pogba would put in half hearted performances or fake injury until he can go on a free. If he doesn't want to be here, It's best we sell him or swap him now if we can.
Is he back in training yet? All other French internationals are back at their clubs. Havnt seen any pics of him back. Hopefully he be gone. If he stays and walks for free next summer then come December he can talk to any club as will have 6 months left on his contract, so do we want a half arsed pogba playing while his mind is elsewhere.
This is based on absolutely nothing.
We can rest easy in our beds knowing that Raiola will win big no matter the outcome!
The obvious issue is that, if it looks like he's going on a free, then he's not going to be central to our plans this season, which is bound to mean less game time. I don't think Ole would punish him or anything, but the fact is that if we're building a new midfield then Pogba is clearly not going to be part of it if he's going, so we'll be calling on him as a backup or an alternative for the season, rather then putting him front and centre. Pogba wants a better contract, but equally, I don't think he's the type to accept a lesser role for a season just for money.
For Pogba it doesn't make sense to leave this year. None of us would in his situation. Next year he will have a selection of clubs waiting to give him a signing on bonus and fat contract. Why would he want 50 million to go to PSG when it can go to him. Even if he is on the bench this year he will still stay for France and get that fat contract.
Pogba will have been told by his agent to use the PSG interest as leverage to gain a bigger contract offer from United but we shouldn't reward his inconsistency of attitude and commitment by offering more than what we already have offered. If the Super League had happened there would be lots of money sloshing around, but a new reality has dawned and money will be in shorter supply than Pogba's agent might have originally planned.
The agent's behaviour and Pogba's fluctuating effort levels mean he is not drawing the sort of interest he probably hoped for. I think we will actually be lucky to get any genuine interest in him from any club other than PSG. The only other option would be Madrid getting a cut price deal to have him link up with Mbappe but I doubt they can afford both.
Ultimately that is when Pogba looks world class - when sending those longer pin-point through balls for someone like Mbappe to break defensive lines at pace and score. It's a you-tube highlight fest and we've seen him do it for France. Realistically though that doesn't work in more competitive leagues where he gets much more pressure on the ball and is just as likely to concede possession and then his lack of effort to recapture the ball is highlighted.
If we sell him we just need to replace that pinpoint accurate passing as we have the destructive ball winner in Fred and if need be we have McTominey who is good at pressing opposition. Bruno / VDB can provide the creative link to the attackers. So we only need to have a Deep lying midfielder with great long range passing to provide what Pogba does inconsistently.
I'd sell him at a fire sale price to anyone interested right now, but I suspect his agent will try and mess up any potential deal, as I believe the agent wants to generate a huge signing on bonus for himself.
The agent's behaviour and Pogba's fluctuating effort levels mean he is not drawing the sort of interest he probably hoped for. I think we will actually be lucky to get any genuine interest in him from any club other than PSG. The only other option would be Madrid getting a cut price deal to have him link up with Mbappe but I doubt they can afford both.
Ultimately that is when Pogba looks world class - when sending those longer pin-point through balls for someone like Mbappe to break defensive lines at pace and score. It's a you-tube highlight fest and we've seen him do it for France. Realistically though that doesn't work in more competitive leagues where he gets much more pressure on the ball and is just as likely to concede possession and then his lack of effort to recapture the ball is highlighted.
If we sell him we just need to replace that pinpoint accurate passing as we have the destructive ball winner in Fred and if need be we have McTominey who is good at pressing opposition. Bruno / VDB can provide the creative link to the attackers. So we only need to have a Deep lying midfielder with great long range passing to provide what Pogba does inconsistently.
I'd sell him at a fire sale price to anyone interested right now, but I suspect his agent will try and mess up any potential deal, as I believe the agent wants to generate a huge signing on bonus for himself.
What about Varane?
this. and for us its also ok to let him stay and win something. i would take the risk
Something is not right. If he is leaving then he must have decided long time ago and ideally his agent should have started looking for clubs since at least Jan. clubs should have been putting the bids by now, or at least there should have been credible updates on his transfer. Seems quiet out there.
Same fans banging their chest to offload players the moment their form drops feeling indignation cause a player wants to get/make the most monetary wise.
"We rinsed Dortmund! We rinsed Real! Hold up, wait a minute. Pogba you greedy cnut
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the game is the game.
"We rinsed Dortmund! We rinsed Real! Hold up, wait a minute. Pogba you greedy cnut
"the game is the game.
Nonsense upon nonsense in this thread. People need to grow a pair and act like grown ups.
He's never said anything out of turn, he's never downed tools, he's never been anything but a positive influence on the pitch and in the dressing room. This is backed up by many players and managers.
Raiola is Raiola, he does this sh*t with every player. In fact it's been pretty tame with Pogba. He flew Haaland around all the clubs in Europe and by all accounts he's going nowhere this season. Imagine he was doing that with Pogba when he had 3 years left on his contract.
So PSG are not interested then. I remember one of our players who they were speaking to until his contract ran out.
I can see why he'd like to stay after Sancho and Varane transfers, but I also believe there's more to the story than just "both PSG and Pogba being interested".
If PSG are interested then they are willing to pay. It sounds to me like it's almost done deal rather than initiating contact between parties.
Would love for him to stay and I still feel he would, and hopefully he'll renew.
That being said, if Pogba does go, we'll need to get a CM (Pogba replacement), CDM and a RB.
Busy few weeks ahead.
That being said, if Pogba does go, we'll need to get a CM (Pogba replacement), CDM and a RB.
Busy few weeks ahead.
Nonsense upon nonsense in this thread. People need to grow a pair and act like grown ups.
He's never said anything out of turn, he's never downed tools, he's never been anything but a positive influence on the pitch and in the dressing room. This is backed up by many players and managers.
Raiola is Raiola, he does this sh*t with every player. In fact it's been pretty tame with Pogba. He flew Haaland around all the clubs in Europe and by all accounts he's going nowhere this season. Imagine he was doing that with Pogba when he had 3 years left on his contract.
People get on here and type nonsense then get themselves wound up over it. There was someone yesterday randomly saying Raiola probably wants parity with Messi and Ronaldo for Pogba. Like, why would you even create baseless speculation like that? Unprovoked. Madness
Things that can happen now :
1. He doesnt sign a contract, we sell him for 35-50M.
2. He doesnt sign a contract, runs it down, leaves on a free next season with a bumper bonus for him and Raiola.
3. He signs a 400k/wk contract.
I think the first option is the only good one for us. Both the 2nd and 3rd are not gonna end well for us. You just know that his performance will drop after signing the new contract like De Gea. Although he will probably get a similar wage elsewhere, I dont think its worth it to us, destroying our wage structure(sell De Gea too while you're at it). Will hate to see him leave for free because that too will be fecking us over. You just know that Raiola is purposefully not accepting the 350k offer just because of that. Although I dont understand why we offered him 350k, when he doesnt fit our team. I guess its because of his performances last season.
1. He doesnt sign a contract, we sell him for 35-50M.
2. He doesnt sign a contract, runs it down, leaves on a free next season with a bumper bonus for him and Raiola.
3. He signs a 400k/wk contract.
I think the first option is the only good one for us. Both the 2nd and 3rd are not gonna end well for us. You just know that his performance will drop after signing the new contract like De Gea. Although he will probably get a similar wage elsewhere, I dont think its worth it to us, destroying our wage structure(sell De Gea too while you're at it). Will hate to see him leave for free because that too will be fecking us over. You just know that Raiola is purposefully not accepting the 350k offer just because of that. Although I dont understand why we offered him 350k, when he doesnt fit our team. I guess its because of his performances last season.
Not yet, I'd expect him to be back tomorrow or the day after as we have a game today. We clearly have a different schedule to other clubs.
Bruno came back yesterday and France were knocked out the day after Portugal lost to Belgium. I don't think Lindelof is back either who was knocked out the day after France were knocked out too.
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Then just let him play Golf for the whole season, that's why I don't think we should buy any player of this fat arse Raiola, even if it's Haland
Mata gets a pay cut and also new role to be fair. Jones’s wages is pretty much 4x lower than Pogba. DDG earn it after performing like world class on consistent basis prior 2019. If Pogba could actually perform like DDG 2013-2018 then he has a point to be offered crazy wages.
There's a huge risk involved in someone who will be 29 by the time their contract finishes, planning to leave on a free.
One big injury and his 4 year contract at £400k a week with a £20m signing on bonus turns into a third of that.
Would he risk a £80m contract guaranteed and on the table now (with a fee for United) for a £100m contract on the table in 12 months that could end up as very little with an injury?
In addition for the next 12 months he would be losing the difference between what his United salary is now and what his PSG salary would be (this might be £6m).
I think the human aspect is underappreciated as well - once you've decided on the next step of your career, most people are keen to get on with it, rather than waiting. He may think he's potentially missing a Champions League trophy, as well as domestic honours too by waiting.
Finally if he stays there's a risk of Ole using him sparingly. Why play a player who won't be particularly committed and who won't contribute long term when you have Fernandes, Rashford, Cavani, Greenwood, Sancho, Martial all vying for the same attacking positions? With the World Cup next Summer he will want to go into the tournament in good form and fully match fit.
It would have been easy for Varane, a player in a very similar situation, to wait for 12 months for a much bigger contract; however I'm sure for some or all of these reasons he opted to move this Summer.
Riola getting 20mil in the Donarumma deal makes me want to vomit. The man is a cancer only in it for himself.
I might be in the minority here, but I'm actually not opposed to losing Pogba on a free. I'm fairly certain he's not signing a new contract, and it would be good to get one more year out of him as I don't believe there is the money or player available to replace him this summer.
Im sure he’ll do well too but it’ll also be extra hilarious to watch them fail. By the sounds of things you’ll have fun supporting PSG over the next few years so….
Are you on crack? That is never going to happen.
If he leaves, we might get in one midfielder, but we would have to start doing the ground work now.
If Pogba leaves we will have Matic, Fred and McT. That's so average it hurts. We will need one proper midfielder. If we get in someone like Ndidi/Rice, the lack of ball players in our midfield would be alarming.
--McT/Fred--Rice/Matic
--McT/Fred--Rice/Matic
If we sign him up for 400k a week we will never be able to sell him again because he’s simply not worth that to anyone else apart from maybe PSG. Yes more teams can pay him that on a free transfer as a punt but you can all see, despite his best efforts, there’s been nobody seriously interested in signing him while he’s been here. That should say it all. He’s not consistently world class but he expects to be treated as such. He’s got a world class brand and he’s capable of the sublime on his day but most serious clubs will look beyond that when making an investment that large, hence the lack of serious suitors, he ain’t all that
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This is a great plan, each team just needs one class player. We should keep Bruno and shop in the championship next season.
Why people even compare the two is beyond me. One player has no bearing on the other
Yeah I saw that. I've never seen a fanbase (or a fairly large section of it) lose all rational opinion on a player like we have with Pogba.
The whole 'get rid of the virus' and 'I'm sick of this circus' sound like grown babies to me. I don't mean that as an insult, I just can't take their opinion on the player seriously.
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Not happening .
If he goes and we replace him with quality, sure, let him go. Otherwise he needs to stay, no matter the amount of money we're paying him. We can't go into a season with Matic and McFred. Doing that will absolutely take a piss on the investments done this summer already.
Seems to be one step forward and one back for our midfield- never gets properly sorted
PSG will try to sign him this window as it's an opportunity for them to convince Mbappe that they are very serious about the project. Mbappe isn't renewing at PSG and this will be the last opportunity to try for that CL with a star studded team.
My feelings as well
If he goes on a free he could well be considered as our worst signing ever. 89m for what? A Europa League win in his first season back, plus all the disruption with his new challenge talk and then more from his cnut of an agent. He's a defensive liability in midfield and is better off moved on. I'd rather see DVB take his position next season. Get 40m for him and goodbye.
Exactly. A lot of people are letting their hate get the better out of them and aren't understanding this point.