Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

Mickeza said:
Show me a single reliable source that says he rejected a new deal? The mirror reported it and sky jumped all over it. Romano says we’re still negotiating as does Ole - that’s enough for me.
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Ole: "The talks between the club and Paul’s representatives, I am not in the detail of every single one of them, so I have got nothing to say really about that."

"There’s always speculation about Paul and there’s always clubs being interested."

“Of course, we have seen Paul at his best and Paul knows what we feel about it. And of course, I have enjoyed my time working with him and hopefully, we can work together. Let’s see what happens.”

Nothing different to how Real Madrid still try to talk with Varane's reps about the contract until the past few days. The keyword is progress of the talk, which we haven't gotten nowhere from when Raiola publicly stated Pogba's time at United is coming to an end. That's biggest reputable statement so far regarding Pogba!

Ole basically passed the ball here saying he got nothing to say. Let's wait and see, and hope. Neither confirming progress, nor denying approach from other clubs. Again similar to Varane's
 
mazhar13 said:
Also according to this article, Pogba was apparently upset about how last season didn't meet his expectations. Maybe he wanted us to do way better in Europe because our league campaign wasn't as bad as many of us expected in the end.
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It’s ironic because I would say that most football commentators and fans would say they are disappointed with HIS contribution and the fact he is a star player on massive wages who consistently doesn’t do enough, which is, in turn, a significant part of the reason we fall short.

I honestly can’t wait for him to leave.

We have players of the stature of Varane choosing to be at United at the peak of their power. We don’t need this inconsistent complainer and his agent mouthing off every few months. We should be above that as a club.
 
The way pogba goes on is like he wants everyone else to do the work for him but the media to say he was the one who done it. He's just going to goto a club for an easy ride. He's not arsed about a challenge at all.

He will be loved at PSG, win the French league at ease every year, and get paid loads. It'll feed his ego perfectly.
 
Great player and by all accounts good in the locker room, but never lived up to expectations and has never really fit into any of our managers tactical setup. Time to move on. Good luck in Paris.
 
Cant stand losing him on a free so really really hope there is merit to this

PSG is probably the only club that can/will offer him higher wages than us as well
 
Mickeza said:
Show me a single reliable source that says he rejected a new deal? The mirror reported it and sky jumped all over it. Romano says we’re still negotiating as does Ole - that’s enough for me.
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it's down to wording, I guess. Ducker just released a piece where he writes "Pogba, 28, has yet to offer United any encouragement that he will sign a new deal".

doesn't use the word "reject", but the result is the same.
 
ti vu said:
Ole: "The talks between the club and Paul’s representatives, I am not in the detail of every single one of them, so I have got nothing to say really about that."

"There’s always speculation about Paul and there’s always clubs being interested."

“Of course, we have seen Paul at his best and Paul knows what we feel about it. And of course, I have enjoyed my time working with him and hopefully, we can work together. Let’s see what happens.”

Nothing different to how Real Madrid still try to talk with Varane's reps about the contract until the past few days. The keyword is progress of the talk, which we haven't gotten nowhere from when Raiola publicly stated Pogba's time at United is coming to an end. That's biggest reputable statement so far regarding Pogba!

Ole basically passed the ball here saying he got nothing to say. Let's wait and see, and hope. Neither confirming progress, nor denying approach from other clubs. Again similar to Varane's
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2 years ago we had “Madrid preparing bid” stories every day - like you say let’s just wait and see.

To the many so desperate to see him leave - If you’re Ole and the media/high number of fans are basically demanding you challenge for the title or get sacked this season - and you see City are about to add Grealish and probably Kane to their squad - Do you want Pogba for another year or not? Or are you more likely to win the league with a 40m replacement? I think it’s a pretty easy question to answer myself but seem to be in a minority.
 
Maybe it’s the way the media and his agent are spinning it but it comes across as though Pogba feels like he is owed trophies and the club is holding him back, it puts the fans backs up and I’m not sure many will be devastated to see him go. Maybe it’s an ego thing or maybe he thinks time is running out but at least PSG guarantees him titles, albeit second rate ones he thinks he deserves.

In terms of natural ability I still think he is the best in our squad and it’s hard if not impossible to replace what he offers on his day. A player that doesn’t want to be here though and an agent mouthing off every other week must do the squad more harm than good no matter how good he is.
 
Mickeza said:
2 years ago we had “Madrid preparing bid” stories every day - like you say let’s just wait and see.

To the many so desperate to see him leave - If you’re Ole and the media/high number of fans are basically demanding you challenge for the title or get sacked this season - and you see City are about to add Grealish and probably Kane to their squad - Do you want Pogba for another year or not? Or are you more likely to win the league with a 40m replacement? I think it’s a pretty easy question to answer myself but seem to be in a minority.
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Well that depends really, if that 40m replacement brings more balance to the team it could actually be. Id very much like to keep him but atm he is not even a guaranteed starter because we cant fit him in, especially with Sancho coming in.

If that 40m signing was a major upgrade on McT or Fred for instance wouldnt that make our team better ?
 
theklr said:
Well that depends really, if that 40m replacement brings more balance to the team it could actually be. Id very much like to keep him but atm he is not even a guaranteed starter because we cant fit him in, especially with Sancho coming in.

If that 40m signing was a major upgrade on McT or Fred for instance wouldnt that make our team better ?
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But you can sell numerous other players to get that mythical 40m Fred upgrade - why do you have to sell Pogba to do it?
 
I have always wondered what his problem was at Man United. Amazing touch , amazing passing ability, great dribbling and good physically too but its been close to disaster for both Pogba and Man Utd. People blame him not for scoring more goals or assists but more on how he helped opposition teams by losing possession in dangerous areas.

I think his main problem at Utd is , every time he gets the ball he tries to create chance (mostly because of our counter attacking style). Instead if he spends more on just casual passing to player with one touch and retain position he would have been great. Both he and Man utd coaching should have worked just on that instead of creating magic every time.

I could see he would be awesome player for a team which presses and holds possession. Or in a team where there are other world-class players and opposition is busy marking them.
 
Mickeza said:
But you can sell numerous other players to get that mythical 40m Fred upgrade - why do you have to sell Pogba to do it?
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You really have to sell him if he wont extend and will go on a free.

My point was just that it could be a net positive for the team in some cases
 
I don’t know if there’s ever been a player at United I’ve been as ambivalent about as I am nowadays about Pogba.

I watched so much of him in the youth team and was gutted when he left, watched a lot of his time at Juve wondering “what if”, then was ecstatic when he came back. Regardless of how in flux the club has been in his second spell, it’s just never really come off for him. Unfortunately it feels more down to lack of effort than anything. Watching him for France and watching him for United is like watching two completely different players. We rarely see the effort that comes with his best performances. The majority of his second spell now has been characterized by his repeated flirting with other clubs each summer and international break. It’s just tiresome and his performances have not been worth the headache. Hope PSG take him.
 
Imagine we are left with McTominay as a starter for the most games after bringing Sancho and Varane, If selling him, and probably won't be another chance to do so, is the best way to get funds for our DM, we should do it now. We will lack a bit of creativity and xfactor but we can't get away with starting McTominay for another season..let alone Fred can get brutn and injured too and we are truly fecked with Matic still around..
 
skc_18 said:
I have always wondered what his problem was at Man United. Amazing touch , amazing passing ability, great dribbling and good physically too but its been close to disaster for both Pogba and Man Utd. People blame him not for scoring more goals or assists but more on how he helped opposition teams by losing possession in dangerous areas.

I think his main problem at Utd is , every time he gets the ball he tries to create chance (mostly because of our counter attacking style). Instead if he spends more on just casual passing to player with one touch and retain position he would have been great. Both he and Man utd coaching should have worked just on that instead of creating magic every time.

I could see he would be awesome player for a team which presses and holds possession. Or in a team where there are other world-class players and opposition is busy marking them.
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Partly true but it’s also the amount of times he chooses to linger on the ball instead of playing it, often leading to him misplacing a pass or getting run over by 2-3 opposition players. Coupled with his inability in being a box-to-box type of player in midfield.

Anyway, PSG is not a great choice imo. Here he will at least also have the PL to fight for each year in order to become a true great. In France it’s the CL (numerous times) or bust, and they haven’t really showed that they will succeed with that.
 
theklr said:
You really have to sell him if he wont extend and will go on a free.
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Bayern didn’t sell Alaba. Liverpool didn’t sell wijnaldum. Why do you have to sell for 40m? Because it’s embarrassing? We’re more likely to win the league with him than without him next year and if I’m Ole that’s all I care about. I’d rather sell James and Lingard to keep Pogba for a year than sell Pogba and keep James and Lingard for 5 years.
 
SeanyC said:
In one hand I’d love this to be his thinking because let’s be honest the French league is crap and he’s only going because he’s pretty much guaranteed a league title every season and in the PL it’s a challenge.
On the other I’m sick of hearing if he’s staying or going, it’s that fat agent pulling the strings looking for one last big pay day off him and for that I’d love for him to leave.
All about the ££££ unfortunately, so Pogba…decide, what do you want, a challenge or money?? That would be the question I would ask him
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He's never shown elite drive to compete. I think he likes the money and fame much more than the football. I don't mind if he leaves at all, I can't stand how easily he is dispossessed.
 
Mickeza said:
Bayern didn’t sell Alaba. Liverpool didn’t sell wijnaldum. Why do you have to sell for 40m? Because it’s embarrassing? We’re more likely to win the league with him than without him next year and if I’m Ole that’s all I care about. I’d rather sell James and Lingard to keep Pogba for a year than sell Pogba and keep James and Lingard for 5 years.
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But the player isn't committed to the cause anymore. If you're not engaged and committed mentally, then it doesn't matter what you could do physically. Ole's always kept United's best interest before his and he knows that the club is always bigger than one player. The short-term and long-term health of the squad will be better if Pogba goes and United is able to get in a player that suits the central midfield and team.
 
mazhar13 said:
Also according to this article, Pogba was apparently upset about how last season didn't meet his expectations. Maybe he wanted us to do way better in Europe because our league campaign wasn't as bad as many of us expected in the end.
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Or maybe that when he was fit and performing he dragged us to top of league and then when he came back we were out of the title race.
While he would have a point, the other point would be stop getting injuried all the time could help
 
edcunited1878 said:
But the player isn't committed to the cause anymore. If you're not engaged and committed mentally, then it doesn't matter what you could do physically. Ole's always kept United's best interest before his and he knows that the club is always bigger than one player. The short-term and long-term health of the squad will be better if Pogba goes and United is able to get in a player that suits the central midfield and team.
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Weird. He was one of our best players the second half of last year.
 
Mickeza said:
Bayern didn’t sell Alaba. Liverpool didn’t sell wijnaldum. Why do you have to sell for 40m? Because it’s embarrassing? We’re more likely to win the league with him than without him next year and if I’m Ole that’s all I care about. I’d rather sell James and Lingard to keep Pogba for a year than sell Pogba and keep James and Lingard for 5 years.
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Assuming he wants to play, most likely he will do a "Neymar" some months and barely play.
Sell him ASAP and get a team player, not a talented diva who don't want to be here.
 
edcunited1878 said:
But the player isn't committed to the cause anymore. If you're not engaged and committed mentally, then it doesn't matter what you could do physically. Ole's always kept United's best interest before his and he knows that the club is always bigger than one player. The short-term and long-term health of the squad will be better if Pogba goes and United is able to get in a player that suits the central midfield and team.
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While I get your point if we are in with a chance Pogba will perform no doubt in a league challenge, also if we won the league and he left he would go out on a good note
 
While I think we're going to lose some penetrative qualities without Pogba, I don't think we have the right balance if he starts alongside Bruno. We should sell and build around Bruno, Sancho, Varane and Shaw. Next tier would be Maguire, Rashford, Greenwood and Wan Bissaka.
 
I think he just needs to go tbh. Hopefully PSG come in with a decent bid. He's a great player when he wants to be, but even if he does change his mind and stay we don't need a player who doesn't know if he is committed or not. And nobody needs another 5 years of his agent and family mouthing off in the press and Paul making lovey-dovey eyes at every rich club in Europe.
 
Mickeza said:
Weird. He was one of our best players the second half of last year.
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That was last year, but he's looking in a years time now looking to get handsomely paid (which from the looks of it would break the current wage structure) as this will be his last major contract taking him into his early to mid 30s. He would have played a much larger role on the team from central midfield and left forward if he didn't get injured against Everton. He found a different gear.

But that was last year.
 
432JuanMata said:
While I get your point if we are in with a chance Pogba will perform no doubt in a league challenge, also if we won the league and he left he would go out on a good note
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I don’t understand why people assume he’s half assing it because we don’t have a chance to win the league. He’s never in his career shown he can be consistent over the course of a league campaign.

At Juventus, he was a comfortable third wheel in an otherwise experienced midfield. At United, he’s been tried in every role possible from deeper playmaking to attacking midfield to the left wing and he still blows hit and cold. He’s only slightly more consistent than Martial, despite the enormous talent.
 
edcunited1878 said:
That was last year, but he's looking in a years time now looking to get handsomely paid (which from the looks of it would break the current wage structure) as this will be his last major contract taking him into his early to mid 30s. He would have played a much larger role on the team from central midfield and left forward if he didn't get injured against Everton. He found a different gear.

But that was last year.
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Ah right. So the best way to get interest in himself and generate an auction that gets him a massive pay check is to be shite for a year and get benched. Makes perfect sense.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
I don’t understand why people assume he’s half assing it because we don’t have a chance to win the league. He’s never in his career shown he can be consistent over the course of a league campaign.

At Juventus, he was a comfortable third wheel in an otherwise experienced midfield. At United, he’s been tried in every role possible from deeper playmaking to attacking midfield to the left wing and he still blows hit and cold. He’s only slightly more consistent than Martial, despite the enormous talent.
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Not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying he won’t down tools just because he didn’t move. He was comfortably our best player near Xmas when we went top and was playing more simple yet more affective with Bruno in the team.

Im not saying that he only plays bad because we are bad he will always have bad games, I’m saying if we are anywhere near the top he can make the difference
 
Mickeza said:
2 years ago we had “Madrid preparing bid” stories every day - like you say let’s just wait and see.

To the many so desperate to see him leave - If you’re Ole and the media/high number of fans are basically demanding you challenge for the title or get sacked this season - and you see City are about to add Grealish and probably Kane to their squad - Do you want Pogba for another year or not? Or are you more likely to win the league with a 40m replacement? I think it’s a pretty easy question to answer myself but seem to be in a minority.
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Different situation all together. Final year of contract is a bitch to deal with nowadays with transfer budget being limited by the pandemic.

Some fans, me included, consider title challenge as a must from now on. However, honestly, I feel that Glazers would be happy enough with top 4 if it means they're not losing tens, or even hundred of millions of free agent players value and purchase of their replacement. Ole always sounds like the guy who would go along with any decisions from the higher up. With the new contract, he's in position where he's even more comfortable now than ever. He's not SAF who both has the drive to win as well as has right to most important decision in whether he wants the player stay, or go. If Ole is, he needs to explain the renewal of Jones, Pereira, Mata... All though should have been let go for free, and saved us the trouble now. Clearly just like he said now, he's not the man who is informed in every detail, aka a head coach.

Even if one is serious about title challenging, having Pogba around doesn't guarantee to extracting the best out of him. With the final one year of contract, there is new question: if you can't challenge with Pogba, what would you do without him with no money to replace him?
 
Andre Kagawa said:
I fear we sell him and then not signing any replacement midfielder.
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As much as I had this fear months ago, the way we're going about our business this summer I'd be beyond shocked if we didn't replace him. Not like for like, as we literally don't want another player like Pogba who doesn't fit in our side.
 
Mickeza said:
Ah right. So the best way to get interest in himself and generate an auction that gets him a massive pay check is to be shite for a year and get benched. Makes perfect sense.
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I’m sorry but that is wrong. I’m all for letting Pogba go and his time here has overall been a letdown, but if you had of said injuries I would of said fair but he was our best player with Bruno when fit and people seem to forget that.

Doesn’t mean I want him to stay or think we should offer him a big contract just that he was great when fit last season
 
Mickeza said:
Ah right. So the best way to get interest in himself and generate an auction that gets him a massive pay check is to be shite for a year and get benched. Makes perfect sense.
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He's trying to get the most money and term length out of United...and it seems like they don't agree on wages nor term. He's going to get paid by United on their terms, or turn down a contract and get paid massive wages due to no transfer fee.

In a year's time, he's either the highest paid United player who still isn't first name on the team sheet and could play one of two positions or he's the highest paid PSG player without a transfer fee attached to his name in a farmer's league in Paris...a club he stated he didn't want to play for because of his family's ties to Marsaille.
 
Mickeza said:
Ah right. So the best way to get interest in himself and generate an auction that gets him a massive pay check is to be shite for a year and get benched. Makes perfect sense.
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Wjinaldum was far from his best the past season, yet PSG didn't hesitate to offer him better contract than Barcelona and Liverpool. Sergio Ramos is similar. Fell off the cliff last season, and PSG's still fine with his prime superstar demand.

We're talking about free agent of high profile players, and PSG.
 
432JuanMata said:
I’m sorry but that is wrong. I’m all for letting Pogba go and his time here has overall been a letdown, but if you had of said injuries I would of said fair but he was our best player with Bruno when fit and people seem to forget that.

Doesn’t mean I want him to stay or think we should offer him a big contract just that he was great when fit last season
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Eh? I’m arguing against the notion that if we kept him another year he wouldn’t put any effort in. I’m on your side! In fact I’m going further - we should offer him a 2 year extension with a pay increase. We protect his value, he gets paid more and spends another 2 years here in his prime with Varane et al and then he can get his big final pay day move to Spain when they’ve recovered financially at 30 with still plenty to give. Everybody wins.
 
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