The thing is - we shouldn't fecking let him wait until January.
Or run down his contract.
Sign a new one, or sell.
A player running down his contract isn't a player i'd like to have in the team.
We're talking about commitment and team spirit here.
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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The thing is - we shouldn't fecking let him wait until January.
Or run down his contract.
Sign a new one, or sell.
A player running down his contract isn't a player i'd like to have in the team.
We're talking about commitment and team spirit here.
I agree but if PSG for example, or Juve are happy to wait rather than forking out a fee, what can you really do?
It’s a shitty situation for a club, the player is in a significant position of strength.
Then he can play in the u23 squad as a lack of commitment isn't what we need.
Personally, I think it's time he moved on. He seems a great lad and I have no ill feelings towards him but he just doesn't fit in our team.
Paul Pogba has played 206 times for Manchester United. Eric Cantona played 143 times. What exactly has Pogba done in that time that will be remembered and revered? What legacy is he leaving? Why on earth should be become one of our highest ever paid players? Talented, yes. But enough is enough.
He'll be remembered as an absolute tw@t, arrogant, narcissistic and overrated. We need to get rid of ASAP - I think we already have a ready made replacement in Donny van de Beek - and get what we can for him.
Nothing actually. We're powerless.
Not a good position to be in.
We either play him because it suits us.
Or we stick him in reserves to make a point.
Either one is fine by me, its on the manager.
I know what would Mourinho or SAF do, i honestly have no idea what Ole is about to do.
I think he’s not been a brilliant fit for English football in general, Italy suited him down to the ground.
He could look very good in this team though so it’d be a shame.
Sticking him in the u23 could feel a little too much like cutting off your nose to spite your face, I’d certainly be threatening it as one of 3 options (renew | find a new club) though if I was the club.
I’d get Varane over the line, then the next target and then go back to Pogba with an only slightly improved offer.
I’ll tell him he signs it, gets his agent to find a buyer for 50-60m euros else plays in the reserves for the season in a WC year.
The threat would be pretty idle, but it’d be there.
I'd like to think i would do the same.
But in order for that to work - we need a flying start to the season without Paul in the team for that threat to have a point.
If we fail to perform, or draw with a borefest two games in a row, the media will rip Ole apart with the whole "that's what you get when you drop Pogba."
Its a slippery slope, in retrospective, his whole United career has been one huge slippery mess that keeps going on.
I kinda think he's our Coutinho, i truly believe we will become a much better team without him.
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I think we should give Hannibal game time this season. I feel he will be a fantastic player in a few years time.
Pogba can go.
But if we or any other club are sending a player like Pogba to the reserve team then other players + especially agents will remember this move.
Didn’t LVG bully De Gea into a new contract that way?
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Yep, there are always people who don't believe in unrealistic scenarios.
Imo it's not that hard to understand why.
1. He's a WC winner, one of the biggest stars in that squad. Regarding that imo even him couldn't be happy with his performances here. Even us, the ordinary folks would know that he's not suited for the PL of course he'd know that very well imo. He'd need an easier stage, where he would do his tricks, play as he wants, do not care about defensive duties and still shine and be productive. In short, he'd need to play for a strong team in an easier, less physically demanding league, where whenever he falls the ref would blast his whistle. PSG, Madrid, Juve qualify for such.
2. Money: of course he and the fat fecker would receive more money if he signs for PSG or Madrid than renewing with us.
3. The fans: clearly most of our fanbase dislike him and he know that. I still remember at the end of the last match in Ole's first season here he went to say hi to the fan smiling expecting he'd be welcomed and cheered up by the fans. Unfortunately he was playing pretty bad back then and we lost many matches, our football sucked big time so the fans booed him, some even insulted and cursed at him. I still remember how shocked and distressed he looked back then. I don't say the the fans were at fault but it's really uneasy and of course he couldn't be happy with that.
4. Let's be honest PSG have quite a bigger chance to win the CL than us. They regularly made it quite far in the CL recently, us couldn't get through the groups stage. Also better squad, easier domestic league. Even if they couldn't win the CL then he'd still get the L1 title by default. While us winning the PL seems still pretty far away.
5. He's become a surplus here. He can't defend well enough to play as a DM/CM. He can't be effective as Bruno as a CAM. He's not fast enough to dislodge Rashford or Sancho on the wings. While PSG is clearly lacking some creativity in the midfield.
It's simply the best for both us and him to depart.
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Meh, if selling Pogba means we can sign Trippier and a CM/DM then get it done
I've got no issue with selling him if he is replaced adequately, in fact I'd prefer it as I think he will be self focused on injury prevention etc before the season is out.
My worry is we keep him, head's not here, feigns injury etc or that we sell him late and don't replace him. I also don't think we need a DM if we replace him, I'd rather have a playmaker from deep who does a bit of the defensive work, I think with our defense looking stronger as well, the need for that DM isn't as urgent.
My worry is we keep him, head's not here, feigns injury etc or that we sell him late and don't replace him. I also don't think we need a DM if we replace him, I'd rather have a playmaker from deep who does a bit of the defensive work, I think with our defense looking stronger as well, the need for that DM isn't as urgent.
I think if he goes we need two midfielders ideally. If we replace him with a DM, then we still don’t have a good enough creative deeper midfielder, and if we replace him with more of a number 8, I think we still would need a DM.
Camavinga looks dead at the moment, but Cama + Saúl would be very good business in the midfield, for example, as we’d get both ball-winning and ball-playing ability of the highest level.
Camavinga looks dead at the moment, but Cama + Saúl would be very good business in the midfield, for example, as we’d get both ball-winning and ball-playing ability of the highest level.
We will never get the best out of him in the double pivot, he’s a #10.
For the balance of the squad I wouldn’t mind replacing him with Neves+Sanches.
For the balance of the squad I wouldn’t mind replacing him with Neves+Sanches.
Tbh, I think the club's midfield purchases over the last 18 months or so have all been with a view to replacing Pogba, and considering the writing was on the wall as far back as 2019, I don't think you can blame them.
Bruno was brought in as the 10 at a time when it was considered that Pogba was off that summer. Six months later, the alternative to/replacement for Pogba as the 8 came in the form of VdB, as there were rumours of Juve being in for him in summer 2020 (in fact, The Athletic even said that Juve went as far as having a bid rejected for him). The only thing to get now, is the DM, which was a need regardless, as Matic is in the final two years of his contract and has lost his legs in any case.
Circling back to VdB, and while he is a different player and profile to Pogba, granted, I do think we'll see a much better VdB this season than last. The reason why I think that is because he'll be playing with a player who has a complimentary profile in Sancho and we are also looking to play in a more suitable system for him (433) more often as well, moving forwards.
Tbh, I'm not too fussed re Pogba staying or going. I retained faith in him on the whole (save for a few points where I did waiver) but I think we've gone past the point of him being the embodiment of this team, and we are now (in a sporting sense at least) not beholden to him in the way that we were during the summer of 2019. Whatever happens, I wish him all the best and truly, I don't have any hard feelings towards him. He could have done better for himself, but so too could the club.
The only shame is that after 3 years of Jose forcing him in to an ill-fitting position and two years of dithering by the club in getting the players Ole wanted (and which Pogba needed to have the platform where he could truly express himself) the moment the club seems to finally be matching the ambition of Ole and Pogba, the latter looks like he may very well be leaving finally.
I don't recall him ever excelling as a number 10 for any of United, Juventus or France.
He's barely even been used there for any of those teams.
Would make sense for PSG if they plan on going to a 5-3-2 formation, especially after signing Wijnaldum, Ramos & Hakimi. Just hope they offer us a decent amount which we can use on a DM.
I’ve heard this school of thought a few times on here but I’m not sure I agree with it. When we bought Bruno Pogba still had 2.5 years on his contract, and I don’t agree it looked like he was off imminently at the time, beyond a lot of fan speculation and theory while he was injured, where they claimed he wasn’t really injured and will likely never play for us again. I doubt this was Ole’s understanding, and as soon as Pogba returned - Ole seems to have taken a position that he wants him to stay, and even now, that seems to be the case. As a result, I do not see us signing Bruno/VDB as some sort of replacements for Pogba.
Bruno was signed as a replacement for Lingard/Pereira. Before Pogba was injured, he wasn’t playing INSTEAD of these guys, he played alongside one of them, and it was clear that neither were up to it. Bruno upgraded our 10 position massively, but Ole never used PP there. VDB, I’m not sure the thinking there. My initial thoughts was that we simply needed a back up 10 option. Ole and the club have seemingly been trying to get Pogba to extend all along, so it makes little sense to spend £100m on replacements just in case. It’s not that difficult to just buy a replacement when he leaves.
Personally, I’m fine with Pogba leaving, and my personal opinion is that he wants to leave too, and the number one reason he wants to leave is so that he can play regularly in a fixed role, and preferably the one he prefers. In one of his last interviews at the back end of last season, he was directly asked what he wants for the future and he replied ‘hopefully to have one position’. He’s played in a number of different roles to fit him in, but not really his optimum role, which is an 8 in a 433. The signing of Bruno has put us in a position where we can only get the best out of one of these players at a time, and Bruno won’t be going anywhere, so Pogba probably should.
Yeah, I think we'd need two midfielders also. Unless Garner makes a huge step up and is trusted fully by Ole, which is unlikely. Hopefully Pogba leaving will have a bit of a Coutinho effect (though we'll get at least 80m less
)If he does go I think we'll go with a new DM, with the starting midfielders being VDB and the DM.
I can’t wait until he signs this new 450k deal.
This place will erupt. Well worth it.
This place will erupt
. Well worth it.I could live with that pairing tbh.
Don't think he's ready to start but I'd love to see Garner getting a chance to prove himself this season.Yeah, I think we'd need two midfielders also. Unless Garner makes a huge step up and is trusted fully by Ole, which is unlikely. Hopefully Pogba leaving will have a bit of a Coutinho effect (though we'll get at least 80m less
Same. I think there's a lot more to come of VDB if we play him more, and get proper defensive support alongside him. VDB and a solid DM, with Bruno ahead of them, would be great for me this season. If we're found wanting, then we can always go in for another CM next season to replace him, but I would be happy entering this season with that.
I can’t wait until he signs this new 450k deal.
This place will erupt
I think he’s a great player but even I don’t want that to happen if we are going to persist with a formation that doesn’t play to his strengths. Not sure what the point will be, and frankly, I’m not sure he would want it either. My thinking is he wants to have a settled role that suits him. No point putting him in a two and then sentencing everyone to more years of moaning that he isn’t great at tracking runners or pressing when he has never been this and never will.
If we played a 433, and we saw him as the advanced 8 in the middle three, then you are talking only one other player in the PL who can come close for me. As a 6 or whatever, you will get the odd moment, which will be offset with his weaknesses being exposed too.
Ultimately, and one of my biggest frustrations here, is we need to simply have a clear plan of how we want to play and how our players strengths and weaknesses fit into that vision. I don’t think this is always the case. We play Pogba in a role that isn’t his best, we’ll play Rashford on the right. We need to make tough calls, and I’m all for Ole selling Pogba if it is done out of decisiveness and vision.
This place will erupt when he leaves and starts talking about how he never felt right at United or was forced to play out of his favorite position.I can’t wait until he signs this new 450k deal.
This place will erupt
It’s literally a deep line midfielder away from happening though. So I don’t see the problem. Will it happen this window probably not. But say we get Declan Rice next season we are fine and we don’t even have to play 433. He can play on a pivot just not the current role he is asked to play now. The role he’s asked to play now is purely down to not having a partner who can pass. Matic can do it but then it’s not very mobile you need a Fred close by. We can still have him and be very interchangeable.
But I get your point.
Double Pivot
Rice - Pogba works with Bruno or Donny even McTominay in the 10.
3 in the middle
Fred Rice Pogba
McTominay Rice Pogba
Donny Rice Pogba
These all work. No Bruno slander in this Post I just don’t think he would work in an 8 with Pogba but replace Bruno with Pogba the above 3 works too.
No more than £250,000 per week, he's not worth more.
Hes far too young and inexperienced to play CM for us this season, I'd see Ole only using him on the flanks or sub for Bruno. But then the question becomes how many games is he actually going to get in those positions, given how stacked we are in those positions and that Ole doesn't really rotate.
I'd be more inclined to send him on loan so he gets first team experience and games under his belt. That's why I think he's maybe 2 seasons away from being a regular contributor to our squad.
Cant wait till the season starts and all the dreams/fantasies of a 4-3-3 comes crashing down.
i can't wait until we sell him his arse this summer and bring in a player that is willing to put in a shift week in and week out