Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

charlenefan said:
Well he is French, despite the quality (or lack therefore) of the league PSG do have a tasty looking side themselves. 3 or 4 years back in France than maybe end his career in the states to further his 'brand'?
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I can see that yes. Would leave me a bit disappointed though. I'd love to see him along these talented bunch we have at our hands now.
 
Pogba out and Goretzka in would seem to settle the positional rotation that United are looking for.
Cavani (Martial)
Rashford (James) Fernandez (VDB) Sancho (Greenwood)
McTominay (Matic) Goretzka (Fred)
Shaw (Telles) McGuire (Bailey) Varane (Lindelof) AWB (Williams)
 
gorky_utd said:
Why go to psg especially when mbappe looking likely to leave?
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Possible reasons:
  • Pogba was born and raised in Paris and sees Paris as his home.
  • PSG is the strongest team in France and very, very good in Europe, too.
  • He has a close friend or two in PSG with Kimpembe being one notable friend.
 
mazhar13 said:
Possible reasons:
  • Pogba was born and raised in Paris and sees Paris as his home.
  • PSG is the strongest team in France and very, very good in Europe, too.
  • He has a close friend or two in PSG with Kimpembe being one notable friend.
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Only point two is valid I think. That is why I am questioning his move since Mbappe will most likely leave.
 
gorky_utd said:
Only point two is valid I think. That is why I am questioning his move since Mbappe will most likely leave.
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I'd say the first point is quite important, too. Pogba has no particularly loyalty to any club, and given that he's already done so much for Juventus and played so long for United (5 years now), he might find the prospects of playing in his home city for one of the best clubs in the world to be attractive. What happens after PSG, I don't know.
 
gorky_utd said:
Only point two is valid I think. That is why I am questioning his move since Mbappe will most likely leave.
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Wage increase, pretty much guaranteed a trophy per season, it’s his home city club, champions league certainty and they are usually there or there about s when it comes to finals/ semis etc. plus he can coast in many games and won’t be under the same scrutiny as he is at United.
 
Berbaclass said:
Anyone translate?

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I did an English translation. Talks positive but will take time. Will need to reduce staff pay roll before prizing Pogba away. Patience needed.

Not that I know anything about the credibility, mind.
 
romufc said:
I agree on the influencer theory, he is marketable but we have also just signed Sancho who is just as marketable. Sancho is not just a big buy on the pitch but commercially just as big.

Pogba however; through his agent does disrespect the club, why would we want to pay those wages for someone who every 6 months will disrupt things?

Also, comparing Messi is not really fair, he delivers the good on the pitch, Pogba is talent and gift but what Messi does is no where near in comparison to Pogba. Messi scores, creates big goals, carries the Barca team in ways Pogba can't.
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Sancho is nowhere near as marketable as Pogba, not even in the same planet. For example, Pogba has 46.2M followers in Instagram, Sancho has only 6.7M, which is still more than any other United player except De Gea and Rashford, both slightly above 11M. United itself has 42M, less than Pogba. In Facebook, Pogba has 24M, Sancho has 6M. In Twitter, Pogba has almost 9M, Sancho has less than 1M.

So your point on Sancho being just as marketable as Pogba is plain wrong. Pogba is a top 5 player when it comes to marketability.
 
zenith said:
I think by the end of the transfer window, it will be us who will be pushing pogba out of the door while he might be angling to stay.

No club will pay in excess of 350k in wages (bar PSG) and he'll frankly have nowhere to go
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This year. In January he can sign a contract with another Club - no transfer fee but a nice juicy signing on fee.
 
Real Name said:
Maybe Varane coming will convince him to sign a new contract.
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Don't think so. This whole 'playing for the same country' bond is overrated imo. Pogba is probably more close to Rashford and Lingard than he is to Varane.
 
Volumiza said:
What would you see as reasonable wages for a new contract for him?
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Parity with Dave. Some may think that’s a lot but we will not find a more talented and influential midfielder without a huge outlay.

So we wouldn’t be doing that this summer. Next summer we will need a top level striker so it won’t happen then either.

The ideal scenario is he renews and we finally deal with the fact we have midfielders who are miles worse than Pogba.
 
BluesJr said:
So daft to want to leave when it's clear we are in the best position in years to push on and signing his international teammate. Can't he see that? Surely he could sign a new deal with a decent buyout incase he still wants to leave in a year or two? Just seems horrible timing on his part really.
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Nobody apart from PSG is ever going to pay a buyout of say around 50 million and pay Pogba more than 300k a week. He simply isn’t worth it to most other big clubs
 
RUCK4444 said:
Parity with Dave. Some may think that’s a lot but we will not find a more talented and influential midfielder without a huge outlay.

So we wouldn’t be doing that this summer. Next summer we will need a top level striker so it won’t happen then either.

The ideal scenario is he renews and we finally deal with the fact we have midfielders who are miles worse than Pogba.
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But then what happens when others want parity with Pogba? Where does it end? The club screwed up with DDG’s wages, why do it again?
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
I just did and I saw nothing. Stop lying!!
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Liar liar, pants on fire. You're not going to convince me, maybe it's ten pages, but basically look in any Pogba thread and you will find what you're in denial over.
 
Volumiza said:
But then what happens when others want parity with Pogba? Where does it end? The club screwed up with DDG’s wages, why do it again?
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You tell them to feck up and get on with it because your not Paul Pogba.

Seriously no midfielder in our team could rock the boat on wages, they are average.
 
With the squad strengthening through the signings of Sancho and Varane, I think Pogba’s likely to stay put. He would be a fool to leave a squad capable of mounting a strong title challenge and a deep run in CL. I think this whole flirting with PSG is just a contract negotiation tactic. If we offered 350k a week, that should be our final offer.
 
Sayros said:
Liar liar, pants on fire. You're not going to convince me, maybe it's ten pages, but basically look in any Pogba thread and you will find what you're in denial over.
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You told me you had constantly remind people about it, why don’t you prove it to me those posts you posted.
 
RUCK4444 said:
You tell them to feck up and get on with it because your not Paul Pogba.

Seriously no midfielder in our team could rock the boat on wages, they are average.
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Pogba can demand that salary at any club out there. Who else in our midfield will get anything close to that by any other team?

There is a reason why we can't shift our Deadwood. We pay extremely well. So this notion that suddenly paying Pogba high salary will cause unrest is laughable suggestion.
 
RUCK4444 said:
Parity with Dave. Some may think that’s a lot but we will not find a more talented and influential midfielder without a huge outlay.

So we wouldn’t be doing that this summer. Next summer we will need a top level striker so it won’t happen then either.

The ideal scenario is he renews and we finally deal with the fact we have midfielders who are miles worse than Pogba.
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You want us to make a player who turns up for a half season and who clearly wants to leave our highest paid player when we just managed to repair our wage bill?

Another example of people buying into the hype but not the actual performances.

Ridiculous to think Pogba should be earning the most at the club.
Might as well give Martial 500k while we're at it.
 
pratyush_utd said:
Pogba can demand that salary at any club out there. Who else in our midfield will get anything close to that by any other team?

There is a reason why we can't shift our Deadwood. We pay extremely well. So this notion that suddenly paying Pogba high salary will cause unrest is laughable suggestion.
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Say we give Pogba £350k p/w and we just get more of the same bollocks off him (inconsistency, flirting with other clubs, Raiola spouting crap). Then say Bruno keeps smashing it, Rashford turns into a machine, Sancho keeps his Dortmund numbers going for a few seasons, Maguire still playing every minute of every match at a high level, Shaw keeps his amazing recent form going. What then? It’s not just about the midfielders. Would you put them all on £350k p/w?

We shouldn’t set this dangerous precedent, especially with someone who’s done nothing to deserve it.
 
RUCK4444 said:
Parity with Dave. Some may think that’s a lot but we will not find a more talented and influential midfielder without a huge outlay.

So we wouldn’t be doing that this summer. Next summer we will need a top level striker so it won’t happen then either.

The ideal scenario is he renews and we finally deal with the fact we have midfielders who are miles worse than Pogba.
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DDG earned that contract on keeping us competitive in one of our worst spells as a football club. He was also very loyal and could've jumped shipped and left us in the muck a long time ago.

Pogbas performances haven't been anywhere near the level DDG was putting up week in, week out prior to giving him that contract. A lot forget just how much he saved us during the Moyes/LvG/Jose era, they base what he's earning now on his current performances. But it's his performances during that spell which his earnings should be compared to.
 
Volumiza said:
Say we give Pogba £350k p/w and we just get more of the same bollocks off him (inconsistency, flirting with other clubs, Raiola spouting crap). Then say Bruno keeps smashing it, Rashford turns into a machine, Sancho keeps his Dortmund numbers going for a few seasons, Maguire still playing every minute of every match at a high level, Shaw keeps his amazing recent form going. What then? It’s not just about the midfielders. Would you put them all on £350k p/w?

We shouldn’t set this dangerous precedent, especially with someone who’s done nothing to deserve it.
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We already pay Rashford 250k and we are negotiating higher salary for Bruno.

We keep the image rights of player. So Pogba will always get more salary than Bruno for example. I struggle to see the issue here. As far I am concerned, 350k per week isn't such a huge salary for Pogba because almost all the club who can afford him will pay him that salary.
 
RUCK4444 said:
Parity with Dave. Some may think that’s a lot but we will not find a more talented and influential midfielder without a huge outlay.

So we wouldn’t be doing that this summer. Next summer we will need a top level striker so it won’t happen then either.

The ideal scenario is he renews and we finally deal with the fact we have midfielders who are miles worse than Pogba.
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Talented yes. Influential. Really? Bruno has already been more influential than him
 
pratyush_utd said:
We already pay Rashford 250k and we are negotiating higher salary for Bruno.

We keep the image rights of player. So Pogba will always get more salary than Bruno for example. I struggle to see the issue here. As far I am concerned, 350k per week isn't such a huge salary for Pogba because almost all the club who can afford him will pay him that salary.
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My issue is that I genuinely don’t see that he’s earned it, only that we’re paying it because ‘it’s Pogba’.
 
Volumiza said:
My issue is that I genuinely don’t see that he’s earned it, only that we’re paying it because ‘it’s Pogba’.
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That's your opinion which Manutd negotiation team don't agree with otherwise they won't offer that much.

In my opinion he is worth that much. I am just concerned with his injury record in last few season.
 
pratyush_utd said:
Pogba can demand that salary at any club out there. Who else in our midfield will get anything close to that by any other team?

There is a reason why we can't shift our Deadwood. We pay extremely well. So this notion that suddenly paying Pogba high salary will cause unrest is laughable suggestion.
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Totally agree.
 
MattofManchester said:
You want us to make a player who turns up for a half season and who clearly wants to leave our highest paid player when we just managed to repair our wage bill?

Another example of people buying into the hype but not the actual performances.

Ridiculous to think Pogba should be earning the most at the club.
Might as well give Martial 500k while we're at it.
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Yours is another opinion based your personal feelings towards the player.

If it were not then you would see that he was one of our best performers last season again, on form the best player in our team. Period.

This nonsense that he’s lazy and can’t be bothered is rubbish, not a single manager or player has said anything of the sort about him.
 
Volumiza said:
But Pogba just hasn’t earned that. He really hasn’t. What actually would we be rewarding him for?
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For his ability and what he can bring. You clearly think he brings less to the table than I think he does.

Excluding Bruno who plays in a totally different position nobody in that midfield is anywhere near close to Pogba. That’s why he gets paid more than them.
 
When we signed Sanchez on stupid money it disrupted the squad - absolutely no doubt. We should not be offering any ludicrous wages to Pogba. If PSG want to do it and he wants to get paid then he should go there. He has simply not shown enough in his time here to justify massive wages.
 
pascell said:
DDG earned that contract on keeping us competitive in one of our worst spells as a football club. He was also very loyal and could've jumped shipped and left us in the muck a long time ago.

Pogbas performances haven't been anywhere near the level DDG was putting up week in, week out prior to giving him that contract. A lot forget just how much he saved us during the Moyes/LvG/Jose era, they base what he's earning now on his current performances. But it's his performances during that spell which his earnings should be compared to.
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I totally agree on the sentiment over why Dave earned that contract, nevertheless your best players will want parity.

Particularly when they will be offered that amount, or very close to it, elsewhere.
 
RUCK4444 said:
For his ability and what he can bring. You clearly think he brings less to the table than I think he does.

Excluding Bruno who plays in a totally different position nobody in that midfield is anywhere near close to Pogba. That’s why he gets paid more than them.
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That makes no sense. Essentially we'd be paying him a fortune for a few good performances then. There are other players (like Bruno) who are much more deserving of a big wage and Pogba is replaceable.
 
jamesjimmybyrondean said:
Talented yes. Influential. Really? Bruno has already been more influential than him
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Of course Bruno has, totally agree on that. Now Bruno is somebody who could rightly claim parity with whatever we offer Pogba.

That said we still won’t improve on Pogba without a massive outlay and similar wages on top. Better the devil (or cheaper) the devil you know.
 
Nicoseth said:
That makes no sense. Essentially we'd be paying him a fortune for a few good performances then. There are other players (like Bruno) who are much more deserving of a big wage and Pogba is replaceable.
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It does make sense that’s why he’s paid more than them already and would be in any club alongside those players.

Like it or not that’s how this game works. He would be offered similar elsewhere.

And it’s not a handful of decent performances, if that’s the case what are McTominay and Matic serving up?
I actually give Fred an easier ride than most for his work rate but he’s ultimately limited.
 
Whilst we might offer pogba the 350k a week to stay I can't see him accepting it. He's not being played in the position he wants and thrives in due to Bruno and also the need for 2 dm. Maybe adding Varane will allow us to use only one dm and Pogba can actually get played in his proper position.

I would want him to stay as he is a game changer and even if he's having a bad game he can still create that one chance that could win the game. We won't get anyone with his skills or vision for anything less than 80m and I'd rather spend some of that on keeping pogba here.

I'd write it into the contract if he stays then riaola has to go, we don't need that virus anywhere near us and if he leaves God help the team he goes to with him as an agent. 3 years time he will push to go to America for another payday.
 
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