At this stage I'd be fine with Pogba leaving IF we have a replacement lined up. As signing decent players can be tricky, do PSG have any potential players they might swap? Signing Pogba and Wijnaldum will surely make a couple of midfielders redundant?
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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Someone needs to remind you how often Pogba is actually reaching that form.
You want to pay him an astronomical fee for his 10 game blitz per season. A "world class" player who regularly drops stinkers when it matters, but it's convenient how only his good moments are remembered.
For Manchester United, he's not been the level anybody thought he would be. It borders a failed experiment. Time to thank him and move on.
He's 28 ffs, and still yet to find consistency. Time is moving on for him, and has passed for us.
The role he's expected to play is one he cannot play without being a massive liability.
He's not that key puzzle piece anymore. He's the piece you're trying to shove into the wrong space.
Breaking our wage bill again because "he's talented" has to be the most ludicrous thing I've heard.
Despite people saying otherwise, this team will be a hell of a lot better with a balanced midfield to support that attack.
Again, Paul Pogba is not some untouchable footballer.
They do have a lot of dross in midfield we could choose from.
Marquinhos or Verratti are definitely the two I would happily take from them but not in a million years
Yeah but I wasn't talking about their first choices. The ones who could be available if they buy Pogba are nowhere near good enough.
I don’t doubt his ability, I just doubt his commitment. I doubt his focus to the United cause.
There has been noise around him almost the whole of his time here and to me, it just doesn’t sit right that he even thinks he deserves to be our top earner while others around him, even if they aren’t technically as gifted, who strive and work without bringing any issue or disruption to the team.
If another team wants to pay too dollar for his nonsense then let them. I’d rather we didn’t.
Mate, not disgreeing that he could get the money elsewhere, but I totally disagree in that he has been underwhelming in the most for his time here. Don't get me wrong - I like Pogba, and on his day there are few better in the world, but he has been mega inconsistent. I guess I'm saying if someone else wants to pay him big bucks then let them. I'd prefer we were sensible and maintained some integrity in our salaries at the club. All of this is on the proviso of course that if he did go that we replace him. I'd go for a defensive/box to box option like Saul or Bissouma.
Sorry pal but this epitomises the 'Pogba is shite because I don't like him' narrative which I don't subscribe to.
Trouble is, I'm not forgetting how he was one of our better players when fit last season, and every season, and you are. Your forgetting it easily because you don't like the fact he isn't winning games for us singlehandedly from the base of midfield, just like most United fans that dislike him expect him to do.
He's a world class player, the entire sport will tell you otherwise. He has been at Juve, he is regularly for France, he's consistently one of our better players when partnered with bang average midfielders who offer little to none of the protection Pogba needs.
I won't change your mind of course. That's fine, agree to disagree eh. But I won't subscribe to this nonsense that he's rubbish and turns up for a handful of games.
More I think about it could see Ole using Donny as the midfield playmaker and buying a sitting DM when he leaves
Only Pogba would know for sure. The bond created by winning a World Cup cannot be underestimated as well having together for years together
OK that's a fair and balanced opinion. I agree we expected more from him but I lowered my expectations when we all realised that Matic legs were gone and from that moment he had absolutely no cover from a top level midfield partner.
What that did was make our midfield disjointed, so much so that McFred has become a thing, purely because one compliments the other to achieve just about what's expected from a top level DM.
I still believe Pogba's been one of our better players whenever fit, is consistently excellent for France and that isn't because he 'cant be bothered for us' it's how they setup to get the best from him. Just look how good he was at the Euro's. That player doesn't get paid McFred wages, whether people like him or not.
Yeah that's fine, does sound somewhat like your personal feelings towards him are the driving factor. I mean, from memory, he's mentioned Madrid once or twice? And the rest of the 'nonsense' or aka the 'circus' has come from his fat pig of a agent (the agent we knew he had before we bought him.)
People will have their own opinion. Mine comes from a good place believe it or not, for the benefit of the club, I believe we should retain our best players and continue to build. I don't believe we will get a more talented player as a replacement, no doubt in my mind, and if we did it would cost more than this proposed renewal anyway.
Perfect window for me would be to address the DM position properly, renew Pogba and go again with the new additions we have.
Differences in our opinion of pogbas worth aside, I would be happy for him to stay if we could add a decent DM, that would be one quality transfer window. I’d still whinge about pogbas wages mind you
Take your point, but for me a large part of the "he doesn't have any quality around him" argument was done when we saw the effect of Bruno on the team. Pogba was injured for most of the time during Bruno's early time at the club and he still managed to carry us to top 4, even with McFred. it could be that Pogba is just not that well suited to the PL. Maybe it's too fast. He tends to get caught on the ball a lot. I think a move would suit everyone if we could make it happen this summer.
McFred became a thing after Spurs demolished us and the penny finally dropped with Ole that Pogba can’t be trusted to defend in any two beside any other player we have. We need to play a defensively responsible 2 behind Bruno to get the best out of him and even if we get one really good defensive midfield player in we still can’t have Pogba walking around beside him. This has been done to death. If Pogba was as good of all round midfielder as you guys are making out then McFred would probably have never existed. The McFred that all the Pogba fans hate so much basically only exists because Pogba can’t be trusted in the middle.
Spurs demolished us as we had no pre-season and the entire team collapsed, not Pogba alone. But put Pogba's name as the one to blame, I'm sure he's to blame when the club canteen runs out of milk as well.
He needs adequate cover in midfield, always has, even at Juve, and for France. Do you think we've provided that with McFred? If you do then fair fecks to ya.
Let's revisit this next season when McFred and doing their thing and Bruno is the sole provider from midfield with nobody offensively talented enough in Paul's absence to help him out. I give it until Christmas before senseless fans are getting on Bruno's back and he becomes the replacement CAF scapegoat.
He didn't carry us though, his impact was felt to that extent because playing with Lingard/Pereira was almost like playing a man down. Martial was playing superbly and the whole attack really clicked in project restart with Pogba in the team. Bruno really didn't play much with McFred in his early time at the club, it was mostly Fred and Matic before the lockdown and Pogba/Matic after.
This I agree with. Its a feked up situation.
It was Pogba who was tackling his own teammate inside the penalty area, he was also the one who made Taylor show the red to Martial but not Lamela. He probably caught covid on purpose too.
Frustrating that he clearly wants to leave just as we start to put together some sort of decent side.
If he doesn’t want to be here then we should sell him and reinvest the fee back into midfield.
If he doesn’t want to be here then we should sell him and reinvest the fee back into midfield.
It is. Especially when a lot of the noise at one point suggested he wanted to be assured we were going in the right direction and making good signing.
I do think he'd probably stay if we stuck enough money in front of him, but I don't want us to do that at this point and rightfully I don't think the club will.
Shitty situation and ultimately a disappointing one.
Better than us trying to force or plan with a player who clearly doesn't want to stay here.
Is Hannibal good enough to replace Pogba?
Interesting that we're buying a player from Madrid and there's been no suggestion of Pogba going the other way. Think he should give up on his dream move to Madrid, doesn't appear that they want him.
If he ends up staying or extending his contract because we now have better players and (hopefully win a few trophies along the way) then his name really fits him, Paul Labile Pogba.
I do find it surprising he'd want to leave now considering the team we currently have.
I'm fairly indifferent as to what happens. I just hope that if we end up selling him, we bring in a midfielder this window if possible.
I'm fairly indifferent as to what happens. I just hope that if we end up selling him, we bring in a midfielder this window if possible.
Don’t mind him leaving to be honest. We’d be better off reinvesting that money into a proper CM/DM. A fit Rashford is better than him on the left, while I’d take Bruno’s reliability in the attacking mid role.
That said, he will be crucial for us at the start of this season if Rashford’s going for his surgery.
That said, he will be crucial for us at the start of this season if Rashford’s going for his surgery.
From what I've seen I think Hannibal definitely has the potential to be world class but I would think he's at least 2 seasons away from being a regular contributor to a title challenging team.
If he's cocking about and doesn't want a contract, I hope we can get him out the door as soon as. Feel a Pogba circus is the last thing we need this season.
Alarming? No, why? We didn't trust our backline and tried to offset that in the midfield line. If we trust them more, I don't see why it would be a big deal to take a bit more risk.
Long term, I have no doubt. I also think he is one of these young players that can quickly adjust to any level they are put in. It wasn't that long ago he started playing U23 football. I don't think he'll be given the chance though.
Sell him and get Rice. We will have a solid dm with one of fred or vdb playing in the other midfield position.
Yep, Real need to free up their wage bill for Mbappe, and brining a high earner in for Varane defeats that purpose.
What he needs is a good head wobbling.
I only hope Ole is strict about it.
He's been with SAF for a long time, he should have the basics by now.
Call him to his office and set shit straight.
Do you want in or out - simple as that.
I refuse to believe it's about money. They're professional footballers with a shitload of money, how much more could he want?
He either wants to play for us or he doesn't.
If he wants a new challenge, fine.
If he's not happy here, fine.
Even if he wants more money elsewhere, fine.
Just set it straight and stop fecking about.
Take it or leave it.
And tell your agent to shut it.
I only hope Ole is strict about it.
He's been with SAF for a long time, he should have the basics by now.
Call him to his office and set shit straight.
Do you want in or out - simple as that.
I refuse to believe it's about money. They're professional footballers with a shitload of money, how much more could he want?
He either wants to play for us or he doesn't.
If he wants a new challenge, fine.
If he's not happy here, fine.
Even if he wants more money elsewhere, fine.
Just set it straight and stop fecking about.
Take it or leave it.
And tell your agent to shut it.
The thing is the club look to be in a transformative moment, similar to the season we brought in Anderson, Nani, Tevez and Hargreaves. United already looks a much more compelling outfit than it did on the 26th of May. He might well wait until January and weigh up his options of who tries to sign him on a pre-contract versus how United are doing in the league and CL.
It'll be his last big contract and with the unexpected mess that Madrid and Barcelona find themselves in its impossible to know who his suitors will be even with no transfer fee involved so i find it hard to believe he's completely closed the door on United unless he has PSG lined up for this summer.
He’s played in a pretty shitty United side in fairness to him, it certainly hasn’t been what he signed up to.
Maybe this window will be the thing to convince him that he’ll finally be in a top United side that can challenge for the biggest honours.
Maybe this window will be the thing to convince him that he’ll finally be in a top United side that can challenge for the biggest honours.
It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that he intends to see out his contract, we end up having a good/great season and he signs a new contract during the season at some point , although I won’t be putting money on it
I'd be happy to take that chance, simply because I don't see us replacing him adequately this season.
I‘ve thought that myself but it’s just the money, a team getting Pogba on a free can pay him an incredible wage that we simply will not be able to match.
Whatever he does from here, if he stays and performs in side doing well, he’ll get a better offer from United in just a few months time.